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rick_evans

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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 11:26:58 AM

Color or image code stations based on cash/credit pricing policy.

This should be a check box characteristic of the station and not up to the poster to put it in a note where it is only if you click on the price.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 7:58:25 AM

As I said, there has been some talk of enhancement. I think this was a first step. When we will get any enhancement is unknown -- IF we get any particular enhancement. This topic has been discussed many times in both the SGBI and TBTU forums.

Adding a durable flag is the first step - adding means for both prices has more complex issues due to the fact that there is no requirement for all prices on the street price board.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 7:36:27 AM

@TxJeans "There is already a check box on the MSL for the dual priced stations."

You're right and thanks for that. Now if only that fact was indicated on the price map or price list.
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 2:02:28 PM

There is already a check box on the MSL for the dual priced stations. Apparently there is some sort of plan for enhancement being worked on for the future. Other pricing variations tend to be of too many flavors. I have been calling for a durable flag for dual priced stations (we will likely never be able to deal with all the "w/Carwash", with points card, etc.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 10/8/2013 2:03:35 PM EST]
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 8:35:28 AM

"We used to distinguish between cash/credit - everyone was messed up - just post the lowest price."

Sigh ... No one is suggesting changing the price posting policy.

I AM suggesting some form of signal color, $ sign to indicate a station's lowest price is a cash price. This would be a one time edit, i.e. a check box in the edit station section.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 8:31:43 AM

"Colors? Why? No need."

If you have already made up your mind, why ask why?

For others who might want to know. It would be a quick way for those who use plastic to know if the price is a cash price, usually discounted to credit, or the price for both cash and credit.

BTW,colors were just one suggestion tossed there. A $ next to the price would accomplish the same thing.
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 5:11:05 AM

Colors? Why? No need.
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 11:07:15 PM

The problem with just posting the lowest price is the lack of standardization of pricing in different markets.

Some places post all prices on the STREET/BIG signs, some post only cash and apparently there are some places where they have to price the HIGHEST price. The FAQ changed from CASH to CREDIT to CASH and the notifications of the change in policy was NOT well distributed to the masses - especially to those that only use the APP. In reality, most prices are posted from the BIG SIGN at the STREET as most people do not pull into the pumps at every station they post or fill up every day.

So first we need a DURABLE flag tied to MSL that indicates a station as DUAL priced.

Even if/when they give us fields for both cash and credit our problems are not over. There needs to be a way to filter your search. There will also be a lack of credit prices even once this is instituted until/unless stations are mandated to post both prices at the CURB. Would I like to see both prices posted? Heck yes! But, do I want it mandated by our Federal Government -- Heck NO!

Please GBO, give us the Durable Flag while you work out the rest of the issues - let the buyer be fairly warned!
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 8:07:14 PM

This comes up a lot - I remember the gas buddy team stated to post the lowest price no matter if has to be a cash discount. The whole intent of gas buddy is to be able to search for the lowest price.
We used to distinguish between cash/credit - everyone was messed up - just post the lowest price.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 9:01:32 AM

@CampKohler

"You mention price policy, but such policies could vary widely."

Actually, the only price policy I'm going by is the one referred to in Gasbuddy's own FAQ

Q: "Do I post the cash price, or the credit price? "

I copy/paste the whole text but simply point out it describes "Differences in Cash/credit prices are common in some areas as a result of stations needing to offset the additional costs of these transactions."
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 8:52:18 AM

"Why make things confusing and/or hope that people will understand the difference in colors, etc."

That's what legends are for.

"Each station, instead of having four price entry boxes, has eight price entry boxes"

No one is asking to have 8 price entry boxes.

The check box would be for "Edit Station Information" and would define the colors.

You claim your goal is to "GasBuddy's goal is to help everyone make wise fueling decisions. ... When reporting prices for stations in areas that have different prices based on method of payment, we ask that you post the cash price where it exists."

However, with so many consumers paying with plastic a naked price with no indication it is a cash price doesn't help when a station right down the street offers a credit price that's cheaper than a nearby station's credit price who offers a lower cash price.

E.g. A local(to me) Mobil station charges (10/7/2013) $3.479(cash or credit) compared to nearby Citgo(3.449 cash) , Mutual(3.459 cash), U.S. Gas (3.439 cash). The lower priced three charge $0.10 more for credit.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:44:22 PM

Why make things confusing and/or hope that people will understand the difference in colors, etc.

Each station, instead of having four price entry boxes, has eight price entry boxes.

Regular Cash Credit
Mid-grade Cash Credit
Premium Cash Credit
Diesel Cash Credit

If a station doesn't sell an grade or type of fuel, that box is "blocked" (i.e., blackened and no entry can be made for that fuel).
Senior members would (could?) have the ability to "lock/block" or "unlock/unblock" the price entry box.

Members (and non-member price viewers) shouldn't have to try to remember which price is which.

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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 5:18:32 PM

You mention price policy, but such policies could vary widely. Just to be clear, what policy selections would be provided in such a feature? Some that I envision to fit all situations are:
1. Cash
2. Debit
3. Credit by a prescribed card brand
4. Credit by multiple card brands
5. 1) & 2)
6. 2) & 3) (E.G. Costco)
7. 2) & 4)
8. 1), 2) & 3)
9. 1), 2) & 4)
The above could be handled by a single feature with a 1 - 9 selection.

Another (and probably less confusing) method would be to have each of the first four methods constitute a separate feature, which the reporter would check as appropriate:
1. Cash
2. Debit
3. Credit by a prescribed card brand
4. Credit by multiple card brands
Note that 3) and 4) are mutually exclusive and would never both be checked.

As all of the cash/credit suggestions are currently grouped together as one subject, I will not wait for an answer to the question. This suggestion has been added to the
Suggestion Tracking List as a new topic on an existing subject.
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