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Retired-Coastie

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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 10:09:53 AM

They have App Awards, there should be Forum rewards like;

the consecutive number of days a member has posted
the consecutive number of days a member had read a news post
posted prices from the web site

I'm sure others will come up with more and add them here:

-edited "rewards" to "awards" by OP request-


[Edited by: Don at 10/4/2013 12:44:49 PM EST]
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 9:27:31 AM

How can I be obstreperous to my own suggestion?

I make the suggestion on full face value, and I'm called obstreperous!?!

Twenty years in the military taught me to be "Rigidly Flexible", and to that end I came up with a positive suggestion. It seems that the gallery is the obstreperous ones, attacking a positive suggestion and calling me negative. I can join the argument too, but that seems to be the way of the dark side and locking of a topic. I can be a cranky old bastard.
That is was not my intent, but that seems to be course you have drawn.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 6:37:08 AM

kwzh seems to have a finger on the pulse of this suggestion.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 5:11:12 AM

The app awards in themselves are fine. It is the behavior, bogus prices being posted, that has resulted from them that is the problem. The mods are aware of the problems the app awards have created.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 12:06:54 AM

The logic seems to be "If the app awards are a good idea, then forum awards are also a good idea". From which we could conclude the contrapositive: "If the forum awards are a bad idea, then the app awards are also a bad idea."
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 8:11:08 PM

RC - "The PTB claim there is no problem with App Awards, so why not expand Awards to forum users too? If they are admitting there is a problem as Gas Buddy stated "But that doesn't mean that we should expand the problem.", then why not fix the problem?"

I think you are trying to be obstreperous and push some buttons because of the mods calling you out.

The PTB have indicated that the APP awards are not going away - that doesn't mean that they don't see ANY issues with them, just that they don't feel the bad out weighs the good of the advertising.

HOWEVER, since most of us (including you) have indicated that we feel that the APP awards have had a detrimental aspect, why would we ENCOURAGE them to add the dysfunctionality to the website?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:07:26 PM

Retired-Coastie:

"Gas Buddy: You can close your eyes and disagree all you want. Pick one just one forum topic that does not have a JFF/PFP topic thread."

I'm agreeing that there's a problem in all the discussion categories; I would just like to see at least the three (to me) primary categories cleaned and have some integrity of posting.

As for "Awards are not seen by others on the App, I would guess they would do the same on the future Forum Awards.", I have some faith that the prices posted on the website are more accurate than those on the app, from a percentage basis (based on discussion comments). If there's a posting problem with the app because people are trying to earn awards only they see, why off the opportunity to post erroneously and earn awards on the full website more than can currently be done. If there's an app problem, why expand it to new venues?

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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 9:32:23 AM

Gas Buddy: You can close your eyes and disagree all you want. Pick one just one forum topic that does not have a JFF/PFP topic thread.

"Why take something that isn't working as well as we would like in the APP and bring the same dysfunction to the website?"

TxJeans: The PTB claim there is no problem with App Awards, so why not expand Awards to forum users too? If they are admitting there is a problem as Gas Buddy stated "But that doesn't mean that we should expand the problem.", then why not fix the problem?

Awards are not seen by others on the App, I would guess they would do the same on the future Forum Awards.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 2:50:35 PM

Retired-Coastie:

I don't disagree with: "I challenge you to find a Forum topic that is not already full of JFF/PFP threads or at least posts."

But that doesn't mean that we should expand the problem. It might help if all the "subordinate" categories were brought upfront so people could access them (and, at the same time, reduce the number of them as most have little or no participation because they're subordinate and unseen) and at purge the three substantive categories (Suggest a GasBuddy Improvement, Talk Back To Us, and General Gas Talk). If nothing else and no other discussion categories, those three categories should have some substance and integrity.

But just because there's a "just for fun" mentality to posting doesn't mean we should expand the problem simply because "there already is a problem there".
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 2:06:24 PM

RC - the problem of the JFF has already been agreed as a problem. Adding awards to the forums would just exacerbate the problem.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 9:25:36 AM

'I don't think adding awards to these forums would help. I think it would actually turn them all into JFF forums which is not a good thing.'

I challenge you to find a Forum topic that is not already full of JFF/PFP threads or at least posts.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 3:36:24 PM

Why take something that isn't working as well as we would like in the APP and bring the same dysfunction to the website?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:15:33 AM

I don't think adding awards to these forums woud help. I think it would actully turn them all into JFF forums which is not a good thing.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 10:01:46 AM

Gas Buddy; no more "rewards" just "awards", thanks for pointing out my error.

I sent a "Report Abuse" message to the PTB, and they edited my error for me. So days old errors can be corrected with a bit of diligence and effort. Note the disclaimer at the bottom of the first post.
-edited "rewards" to "awards" by OP request-

[Edited by: Don at 10/4/2013 12:44:49 PM EST]


scout & CK; TB stated "Abolishing this is probably not going to happen. A lot of work went into creating the awards for the app and the top spotters and we have gotten a lot of prices from people getting into the game of it."

From the movie War Games the phrase "Do you want to play a game?" comes to mind.

OK, lets make a game for the forum set too. Those who post prices online only, those who use the forums daily, those who read the Newsville Posts, they need some Forum Awards for getting into the game of it.

So I concede on Abolishment, Let the Hunger Games Begin!
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 3:40:57 PM

All right then, I would reiterate Scrap's question: If you want the mobile app's awards eliminated for good reason, then why would you want to start them on the full site?

[Edited by: CampKohler at 10/4/2013 3:41:57 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 8:42:48 AM

Why are rewards needed? Isn't helping your fellow man find the best gas prices they can reward enough?
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 8:20:49 AM

Gas Buddy is correct, I've been scolded by TB to be more positive. To that end, since there are App AWARDS, then why not have Forum Awards for those that don't use the Apps? Take the suggestion at full face value.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 11:25:15 PM

"This is just a shot in the dark, but it could be that R-C wants to see how many and who opposes adopting full site awards, and why aren't they just as opposed to the app awards, which he suggests be eliminated in this topic. That would be very clever strategy. It would be the first use of "damning with feint suggestion.""

I, on the other hand, take him (the post ) at his word rather than trying to read into any "cleaver strategy" of" "damning with feint suggestion."
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 10:06:17 PM

This is just a shot in the dark, but it could be that R-C wants to see how many and who opposes adopting full site awards, and why aren't they just as opposed to the app awards, which he suggests be eliminated in this topic. That would be very clever strategy. It would be the first use of "damning with feint suggestion."
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 12:57:50 PM

Well it's positively "something"!
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 8:38:34 AM

Yes, your correct it should be awards. Remember the PTB said I needed to be more positive, so here is something positive, I'm not suggesting taking something away. Lets go with both since you brought it up. Will add it to the list of "Forum Awards"

[Edited by: Retired-Coastie at 10/3/2013 8:40:31 AM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 10:13:25 PM

There should be "rewards"? Or do you mean "awards"? Two different things. The reason I ask is because, in the past, some members have suggested that there be rewards (such as gas cards, discounts, logo items, etc.) for that you can trade your points for or for achieving significant points levels.

First, what does "days a member has posted" mean? Posted a gas price? Posted a message?

Second, as members are already recognized on the 30 day list for their points achievements, and many of the members have maxed out their points, doesn't that already acknowledge their having achieved at least a minimum number (30) days of posting? And of having read a "news post"?

And, isn't the "speed wings" or "speed lines" enough acknowledgement of "consecutiveness", as is opening another member's profile and seeing the "consecutive days" doing "something"?

Forgetting that you've noted that the app "awards" have been a problem (and I agree with Scrapheap's post below), at least price posting app awards (assuming accurate posting) contributes to the knowledge base of members, helping them be smarter or at least more informed shoppers; awards suggested in the original post don't seem to have any value (other than "posted prices from the web site", but even then I'm not sure what "rewards" should be made. As suggested in another discussion thread, replacing the number of "post" under the screen name (in the discussions) with the number of gas prices posted would have value (recognizing and acknowledging the member's primary contribution to the website) but by doing so would simply prompt members to (possibly) post more false prices in an attempt to "get the award".

Sorry, but I can't see a benefit to the suggestion, at least not as suggested in the original post, whereas I can see a variation of what's already being complained about by many members, posting for "awards". But that's just my opinion.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 7:34:31 PM

Seriously?
I think we have more than enough with the point earning and the APP awards that we have been discussing as causing some questionable price reporting.
I would rather see programming efforts go to better linking of prices to MSL and any number of more important coding changes.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 2:40:42 PM

Curious as to why someone who wants the app awards abolished would want to establish new awards.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 12:05:42 PM

Holy cow.

Why???
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