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Retired-Coastie

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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 8:58:52 AM

Yes I know you check the ignore short posts box.

There are plenty of other places points and status chasers can post there mindless "ok", "k", "old news", etc's to stroke their egos without tying up GasBuddy Blog & News.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 1:57:41 PM

It's off topic but "The use of adblockplus has done wonders to quite the web site for me. If I wanted to see ads I'd watch TV."

The problem with ad blockers is that if there's no one reading or watching the ads, businesses have no reason to advertise on the website and no reason to support the website financially. Without financial backing and income, it's hard to see how the website would continue to operate. Some Starbucks, when you log in, now open with a short video advertisement, about 20 to 30 seconds (maximum) before you can access the free internet Trying to close the advertisement early brings you back to the beginning page and you have to restart the advertisement video; switching to another screen freezes the advertisement until you return to the video, at which time the ad continues. That seems like a small price to pay to access what they're offering you free.

And yes, it would be good to do a topic purge, a least for the "Suggest a GasbBuddy improvement", "Talk back to us!" and "General Gas Talk" discussion categories.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 9:08:30 AM

It's time for a bigger weed eater!
Or better yet till the garden under. LOL

The use of adblockplus has done wonders to quite the web site for me.
If I wanted to see ads I'd watch TV.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 7:20:25 AM

The time to enforce it heavily was at that time and then once under control, only a periodic "refresher" when it starts going off track again. Once it is totally out of control, it is harder to reign it back in.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 2:05:06 AM

The JFF category was *created* because of all the fluff in category General, including a huge number of one-shot threads like "Everybody congratulate member X for achieving a total of N points". When it was created, a large number of fluff topics were moved there, and it was hoped that any new topics of that sort would go there instead.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 9:06:18 AM

Coming from the newbie, I see so much fluff and so many non pertinent threads. It seems the JFF and PFP type posts have gotten out of hand. By what I've seen in just my threads, there is not much hope of cleaning it up. The weeds are in the garden, and have taken over the place.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 7:03:28 AM

No resources -- especially once let get out of control.
Has the general category always been mostly JFF type threads and yes/no type threads where the same folks post daily?
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 1:16:27 AM

> Mods should delete ALL post not in the jff that don't pertain to the subject

As in, have someone whose job includes continuously monitoring the non-JFF forum categories? I'm pretty sure they don't have the resources for that.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 7:31:38 PM

Hey Scoutmaster? Have you looked in the "GENERAL" forum? A very large number of threads there easily qualify as JFF. Subjective? Yes, but I have no problem with a degree of subjectivity that errs on the safe side.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 11:23:39 AM

">Off topic, Mods should delete ALL post not in the jff that don't pertain
>to the subject including the mindless and endless "have you, do you...."
>posts."

That would be very subjective and in my opinion, not a good thing to do. Just because one person thinks a post is off topic doesn't mean it actually is off topic.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 10:39:52 AM

Michael29644 - There is a program called adblockplus that works to some degree, but it appears the war between quieting our browser and you got to see this continues. I get sick of the whirling moving ads. They cause me limit my time at such site, and so it actually works against the site.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 1:08:30 PM

"Why is that? Are they afraid of hurting someone's feelings?"

My opinion is as follows. They're afraid of hurting their ad revenue. An ad impression counts whether you post "OK" or a legitimate comment. All they care about is advertising and will shy away from ANY action which hurts that, even if it improves the quality of the site. Ever wonder why their patchwork solution of "Ignore Short Messages" doesn't stop the posting of the nonsense, only the reading of it, along with a ton of collateral damage? Either way, the ads are still displayed, which is what they truly care about.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 9:52:35 AM

"I rarely look at the comments on the news, and even more rarely post and then watch for responses."

TxJeans - You hit the nail on the head, there is so much trash posting that any GOOD comment is flushed out the back of the four page spool before you could return.

"but the mods seem to be very resistant to enforcing their own forum rules regarding this matter."

Why is that? Are they afraid of hurting someone's feelings? People need to play by the rules, and the rules must be enforced or it's all useless.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 2:53:39 PM

>Off topic, Mods should delete ALL post not in the jff that don't pertain
>to the subject including the mindless and endless "have you, do you...."
>posts.

RC, I agree that's what should happen, but the mods seem to be very resistant to enforcing their own forum rules regarding this matter.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 11:53:14 AM

Off topic, Mods should delete ALL post not in the jff that don't pertain to the subject including the mindless and endless "have you, do you...." posts.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 3:36:38 AM

The forum did have a "rating" system for a while -- it wasn't up/down voting, but a 1-5 scale. It was an experiment that failed. My hunch is that its primary use was "any thread started by someone I like gets a 5; any thread started by someone I dislike gets a 1" -- i.e., a clique support that was independent of the actual content.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 7:22:26 PM

"...or maybe the site could give points for "thumbing up" other's comments."

First, if you're giving extra points for "thumbing up", all you're doing telling people "here's a variation of saying 'ok' for points", and letting them max out on however many "thumbs up" they can do daily.

Second, what's the value of "thumbing up", regardless of whether it's for points or not? Are you also saying that there should be a "thumbs down" in order to balance the voting, or are you saying there should just be feel-good "thumbs up".

Third, unless you're making a distinct level for "senior accounts", are you saying all "senior members" get the extra points option? What, for that matter, is the difference or value between a senior account member acknowledging the "up" part of a post versus a non-senior member? Is the suggestion that a senior account member has greater insight to the value of a post? After all, many senior members are the same ones that post "ok" and "interesting" comments. Seems like you'd just be awarding them more points for no significant input.

Like it or not, some "interesting" or "old news" type of comments are valuable to others because it lets original message poster know that another member found the post interesting (even if others don't), or that the information simply isn't new. Granted the response doesn't say much, but it does let the general readership know that it's not a new issue or topic. That, to some, is valuable. What's valuable to some may not be valuable (whatever "valuable" means) to others, and what might not mean anything to you might mean something to another member.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 6:54:32 PM

"..or maybe the site could give points for "thumbing up" other's comments."
Okay, I will likely be called out for giving a non-agreeing opinion, but I see no need to add more point giving activities. And, since virtually every suggestion makes it to the "suggestion tracking list" regardless with no filtering most agree or disagree with a suggestion, I see no real utility of "thumbs up" for comments.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 8:51:26 AM

Why the need for more points? Earning points on this site is similar to earning points on Who's Line Is It Anyways?
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TheJediCharles
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 8:45:41 AM

...or maybe the site could give points for "thumbing up" other's comments.

Of course, I know everyone's gonna race to reply that it will only encourage sock accounts to thumb one's self up, but that can be secondarily addressed by some other means, such as a only senior accounts with a certain form of slowly earned credit rating can give point-giving thumbs up to others. The reasoning is that unless the comment has some value to others, they just can't squeeze point-thumbing from others they don't see the reason to give.

Maybe I'm missing a simpler solution to cancel out motivation to abuse it, but there could be some sort of way to tie the two together, earning points and making worthwhile comments.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 6:56:58 AM

Yep, about the only time I read a thread in General Gas, or some of the other forums is when someone lets me know about a thread - I then immediately make it a favorite or I will likely never find it again.

I rarely look at the comments on the news, and even more rarely post and then watch for responses.

A good place to start would be to clear that forum out with a notice at the top and then some policing. Once it becomes clear the intent to follow the guidelines the amount of policing would likely be reduced.

Even here, lately I have seen more fluff and bump posts but they usually get locked down or the regulars post it is old and it starts back aging off.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 12:24:45 AM

Other than my local forum and my favorites list, "Talk Back" and "Suggest" are the only categories that I still read, and those are both generally free of fluff posts. I know I'm not the only one who regularly reports the fluffers when they do show up here.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2013 8:50:26 AM

TxJeans, kwzh; a broader point of contention, is there really ANY forum on GasBubby that is NOT bloated with JFF or PFP posts? It's really hard to find a meaningful thread.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 8:35:58 PM

kwzh - great idea!
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 5:34:40 PM

> That's the only forum which awards points for reading

Actually, no -- you get points for opening the news item; this feature has been around since before there was a forum category attached to it.

Perhaps the simplest workaround would be to remove the Newsville forum again -- leaving the option of restoring it once people have gotten used to the idea of getting their forum-posting points in JFF instead. (And hopefully with a better enforcement system in mind so that new users don't fall into the same behavior pattern.)
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 8:41:22 PM

"(c) the people that they DID catch would get angry about having been "singled out", and would complain and/or retaliate and/or abandon the site (and they might have been good citizens in terms of price posting)."

Sorry, I do not in any way see that as being a negative. I say, good riddance to bad rubbish. The rules should not be selectively enforced out of fear that the abusers will get their noses out of joint. Getting rid of the Newsville posting points would be a great start. That's the only forum which awards points for reading, so I can't imagine (with 34 years of programming experience) changing the code to no longer award posting points would present that great of a challenge.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 7:59:30 PM

kwzh - I don't buy it. They have a larger staff then they did when I first joined and have practically abandoned the forums.

There are two solutions that would go a long way to solving the problem.

1. No points for posts in Newsville.

2. Volunteer moderators with limited abilities to move or delete posts.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 6:45:42 PM

Oh, they do care about the issue; they just don't have a good solution for it, yet.

If they tried applying their limited manpower to enforcing the posting rules, then (a) they'd be taking people away from more important stuff, and (b) they still wouldn't be able to catch everybody, so the forum would STILL look cluttered, and (c) the people that they DID catch would get angry about having been "singled out", and would complain and/or retaliate and/or abandon the site (and they might have been good citizens in terms of price posting).
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 6:38:06 PM

The mods obviously do not care about the issue. I think they'd rather have a bunch of garbage threads so that can get ad impressions than clean up the site to conform to their OWN posting guidelines.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 12:09:07 AM

RC, I'd say that it's unlikely to happen; I suspect that the code base is such that making a special case out of one forum category is difficult and/or unwise. I've had an idea for how it might be possible to stop the noise without a change to the point system, but I don't know how hard it would be to implement it.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 7:34:44 PM

Here is one of the previous discussions on this topic...

From that thread's OP: " PLEASE STOP GIVING POINTS FOR POSTING ON THE FORUMS!"
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 6:50:15 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 9:05:05 AM

I think you will find a LOT of agreement with this suggestion based on past history.

I agree. I stopped even bothering with the news forums other than reading the article if interesting or clicking on it purely for the points. Discussion in the NEWS is just one place where JFF posting for points have disrupted the goal and quality. If you look at the General Gas topic, 98% are JFF threads, and any real topics get pushed off the boards quickly.

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