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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 8:35:28 AM

I see so many fat finger errors in posts, it's comical.
Even with a spell checker, I have those moments my self.

I feel a person should be able to go into there own post and edit
and/or delete the whole post indefinitely.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 10:05:49 AM

I meant to say:

I sent a "Report Abuse" message to the PTB, and they edited my error for me. So days old errors can be corrected with a bit of diligence and effort.

My voice forward, fails to keep pace with my typing, as does conflicting messaging styles.
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 9:42:25 AM

I sent a "Report Abuse" message sent to the PTB, and they edited my error for me. So days old errors can be corrected with a bit of diligence and effort.

It was on a different thread and I'll post in that thread to avoid any confusion.
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 8:36:00 AM

OK, so I'll concede that maybe deleting ones own posts would be confusing, put then the bit would be unset and it would clean up the "Show topics I participated in" list. If you could get to it before it spooled out the back door.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 2:02:50 PM

Rich: .. "...it effects a relatively minute number of members who really care."

Amen. Even in forums that do offer unlimited editing, the authors must first recognize their goofs and then take the trouble of correcting them, something that would make "breath holding" a life-threatening activity.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 6:44:20 AM

I have never used the spell checker. I rely on the one in my browser, but it isn't the best either. If I really want to be picky, I write my response in my word processor first and paste over here. Most of the time I don't bother. I expect typos on a simplistic message board and try not to get hung up about them.

Back to the OP - you can look at your post right after you post it and edit it or delete it out except for a period or "Deleted" comment then go and use your word processor to make a perfect post and repost.

No need for unlimited. A longer window? Maybe, but no need for unlimited. JMO.



[Edited by: TxJeans at 10/1/2013 6:44:48 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 4:53:42 AM

The spell checker is unusual in that it *adds* mistakes to your post (and to make it worse, it does this *after* the preview stage, so the mistakes often go unnoticed). My recommendation has always been to avoid it entirely; I consider it worse than useless.

The bugs have persisted for years now, despite having been reported just days after the feature first appeared. Is this because of "resistance to change?" I don't know.
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 9:30:41 PM

No, actually, it wasn't (at least it wasn't the one I was thinking about, but there might have been such an incident in that thread as well)...and there has been more than one of them. At least one was a CK thread where something was edited out.
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 8:36:39 PM

TxJeans wrote > Not long ago, the mods removed (the OP could have done the same) text/info from a post. There were several responses to that removed information. Anyone coming late to the conversation that did not know what was removed would wonder what the other comments were about.

Was this the issue with MexicoMaria?
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 1:02:51 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath expecting any programming modification to improve text input of forum discussions. The ability to edit thoughts here is probably the least of concerns to the site owners since it effects a relatively minute number of members who really care.

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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 9:20:33 AM

I'm for instating a temporary change, and seeing how it works. That's a great idea, but from what I have seen in forums during my short time here, is that GasBuddy is very resilient to change.

That "Check Spelling" box on this site is odd in that it doesn't like contractions, the font is different and much smaller, and it looks nothing like what you get when you hit the "post message" button.

It would be interesting to know the PTB are following this fine discussion?
I shudder as I say that after last time.
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 9:37:59 AM

Exactly (re kwzh)- that is why an exact preview might be useful - and it would annoy the heck out of the JFF posters so it would be nice if it could be excluded from just that forum or put on the newsville only. I would prefer the former even though it would negatively impact our "neighborly" threads in our local forum. I participate in another forum that has quick reply window(no preview) On that window is an advanced editor that allows you to have a preview.

As far as extending the edit window, I see no need for it to be extended to a huge number - maybe extend it a bit longer. Just read some of the back and forth in these threads and you can see how an edit after a response could be problematic unless the edit was seen in a manner like a text review where deletions show as crossed-out,additions in color, etc.

Just my opinion. Not long ago, the mods removed (the OP could have done the same) text/info from a post. There were several responses to that removed information. Anyone coming late to the conversation that did not know what was removed would wonder what the other comments were about.

Same when we have made a comment to someone that was posting in the wrong forum and their post gets removed and our comment stays...

Now I have edited it several times and several people may have seen different versions, but it only shows the last edit time.


[Edited by: TxJeans at 9/29/2013 9:43:17 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 9:06:31 AM

I'd say you change the edit time to a really large number for a month or two and see if the chaos the detractors of the suggestion predict come to fruition.
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 6:53:55 AM

There are various rewrites that occur when you hit the Post Message button -- besides compression of multiple spaces and multiple newlines, we have HTML entities, and the magic cookie representing a link, and the Name Which Must Not Be Uttered. In addition, the font is different, at least on my browser.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 12:50:08 PM

Good point TxJeans. A preview window could be a good thing while unlimited editing time isn't.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 8:05:45 AM

No, because what you type in the window does not directly translate to what you see. (like the double entry for lines).

A preview window gives someone a chance to step back and look at what they wrote and take a second look. I am not sure a preview window would be helpful on these boards with their limited text editor - but that is another story. Let's face it, this is a very limited and non-sophisticated forum platform compared to something like vBulletin.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 7:55:54 AM

A preview window. Isn't that sort of what you have until you click "Post Message"?
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 2:43:30 AM

Hey! Let's introduce preview mode, but give it a "test run" of a month or two -- in the news commentary forum only. Maybe the extra step will be enough to discourage the quick-post-for-points folks, and they'll migrate over to JFF where they can post their fluff more easily.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 8:01:16 PM

"Having a preview is a nice feature, but it doesn't allow updating a post after the edit window closes when more or changed info is available."

If more information is available, or the information used for the original post is changed, that would seem (to me) to be worthy of a new post saying "Here's more information" or "Here's updated information" that wasn't available when the original post was written.

People shouldn't have to or be expected to read an older post to read a thread and assume or presume what was changed. And if you're taking the time to update the original post (which many people may not go back to read) and write in the update "this was changed from...", why not simply write the new post to begin with. That puts the clarification, explanation, additional information up front, and removes the wonderment of "I read this post (the revised original message) but why are these other people talking about something different or irrelevant.

I can see a "preview" window, though such a delay would likely tick off those members who want price posting shortcuts so they can save a second or less by not having to type in a number, etc. And I can see editing until a post from a different member updates the thread.

I just can't see "after the fact" editing let alone unlimited after the fact editing, nor do I see "Hey, here's new information...hey, everything I first wrote has changed so here's rewritten post, disregard the irrelevant responses to the original post and only read the ones that respond to my new, update of the early post." That just doesn't make sense. Not to me, anyway.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 6:10:24 PM

CK: "Even if they didn't want to actually change the code, the five-minute value could be bumped up to some huge number that is, for all practical purposes in the eye of the user, unlimited."

No need to bump it up to some HUGE amount for reasons posted by others...

CK: "Having a preview is a nice feature, but it doesn't allow updating a post after the edit window closes when more or changed info is available."

If you use the preview window as a double check, you shouldn't need to edit further. If you have MORE info, or info changes it should be stated in a new post that the info previously reported was incorrect and the correct info is ----, or you have new information and it is -----.

RG: "Actually, what RG said was:"

I should have realized it wasn't you -- sorry, I was on the way out and didn't have time to scroll back...

It was jrsva:

"To me, a reasonable solution would be to allow unlimited editing or deletion of posts up until someone posts a reply. That would not work in Newsville topics, since comments are posted every few seconds in the popular threads, but it would work fine in topics such as this, where replies are typically an hour to several hours apart. Maybe five minutes or until the next post, whichever is less."
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 2:15:38 PM

Having a preview is a nice feature, but it doesn't allow updating a post after the edit window closes when more or changed info is available.

Getting rid of the window would be a very minor change. Even if they didn't want to actually change the code, the five-minute value could be bumped up to some huge number that is, for all practical purposes in the eye of the user, unlimited.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 11:00:47 AM

TxJeans,

It isn't rocket science even though some people want to make out to be rocket science.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 9:10:29 AM

Actually, what RG said was:

"As long as corrections were so indicated in the original post, perhaps by tracking changes as is accomplished in shared documents while using the current standard of time stamping the edit, there should be no problem with extending the ability to edit any amount of an original post indefinitely."

We should all be aware by now that significant programming changes to the forum software are not in the cards for us, and it should have been obvious that this was a facetious remark when it was qualified by saying:

"Of course, like most sugestions, this would require a desire by management to effect such change, and the attention of a programmer with the technical expertise to do so."

RG



[Edited by: RichWLIN at 9/27/2013 9:11:52 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 8:57:33 AM

Even with an extended editing time of say 15 minutes, once some one respond then lock it in? That would not work in news blogs were people are "k"ing in quickly. And hey it was a suggestion from a newbie.

The spell checker provided here has something to be desired, that's for sure.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 8:05:53 AM

Yes - and definitely no need for unlimited once someone responded -- as indicated previously, I believe by RG.
See -- even with my typo, you were able to figure out my intent.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 8:00:12 AM

"And, definitely unlimited once someone has responded."

Don't you mean limited?
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 7:29:16 AM

Rather than unlimited edit - a nice PREVIEW window might help more ;-)
No need for UNLIMITED edit. And, definitely unlimited once someone has responded.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 7:22:34 AM

An unlimited edit has the potential to ruin the flow of these topics. To me, the key is reading what you typed before you click "Post Message". Review it, make corrections, make changes, add stuff then click "Post Message". And for those of you who have the software, type it out in a word processing or text editing program 1st then copy it to the topic you want to post it in. Everyone has either a word processing or text editing program on their computer.

And you still have five (5) minutes to edit your goofs!



[Edited by: scoutmaster at 9/27/2013 7:24:20 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2013 1:12:36 AM

I agree with Gas_Buddy here -- an extended edit (and delete) ability might be useful, but the alternate fuel pricing thread isn't a good argument for it.

Also, I don't think it's even necessary to copy the previous posts when announcing a price update in such a thread. Just read it from newest to oldest, and stop when you find a station that meets your criteria, or when all remaining posts are too old.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 6:00:03 PM

I find CampKohler's suggestion confusing and the link to be more work than most members will want to do, however well intentioned.

If I understand "As I envision doing it as the system currently works, anyone could update the price list and re-post the whole list..." correctly, and you're reposting the whole list, why not make the repost the latest post and edit the copy in the message box before "posting message."

Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt that most people would think to review the original post as being the most current post when there are subsequent posts in the thread.

"By having unlimited editing, the OP (only) is the list and that is the only post users need read, because it is always current..."

That seems like we need to train people in chats and discussions to not pay attention to (that's overkill by saying it that way), to not pay attention to the replies because only the first post would be considered current.

"The above method relies on one member to run the topic and keep the OP updated. But if for some reason the member was temporarily unavailable, you could still fall back on the original method of re-posting the latest list until the member returns."

That seems like everyone wanting to make an update should feed their information to the member making the original post and that member then updates the original post. And, not knowing how long "temporarily unavailable" might be, you're asking for two systems of input into the discussion; unless you get an immediate acknowledgement from the original poster (who would need to monitor his inbox in order to make timely posts), the inputting member would do a new post, and then when the original post becomes available, could very well make the post to the original post (not reviewing the response posts). That sounds like work for the original poster.

And, what's being left out of the equation is a member starting the thread (the original post), and then not being "temporarily unavailable" (no one would know if the member was or wasn't "temporarily unavailable" or not), the member simply giving up on participating in the thread.

Sorry, but while the idea might be well intentioned, it just seems overly complicated. To me, simply making a new post - for what CampKohler seems to be suggesting (as I read it) - would be simplier and more participatory.

The side-bar to "If there were to be a topic for a given non-standard fuel, one would hope that the interest and reporting for it would occur daily (as it does for standard fuels)" is that relatively few members (compared to diesel and gasoline) use non-standard fuels. And, it's unlikely that very many non-standard fuel users (members) would go to a discussion thread (other than in their local discussion category, if even that) to view fuel prices. At least in my opinion.



[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 9/26/2013 6:03:18 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 4:35:51 PM

If there were to be a topic for a given non-standard fuel, one would hope that the interest and reporting for it would occur daily (as it does for standard fuels). But as you are talking about searching old msgs for prices, I think you are envisioning members reporting one station per post. As I envision doing it as the system currently works, anyone could update the price list and re-post the whole list (see the method here).

By having unlimited editing, the OP (only) is the list and that is the only post users need read, because it is always current; the OP is edited to reflect the newest reports, to add new stations as they are reported, and delete stations that are defunct and mark unreported stations as OLD, etc. The rest of the posts in the topic would be for others to report prices or other info and general chatter on the subject.

The above method relies on one member to run the topic and keep the OP updated. But if for some reason the member was temporarily unavailable, you could still fall back on the original method of re-posting the latest list until the member returns. A more elegant solution would to give the OP a Public? checkbox, and if it is checked on the intial post, any member could edit it thereafter. Thus the community could maintain it (vs. one member).
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2013 6:15:08 AM

There are so many app only members they would never see anything posted in the forums so they would not benefit from it.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 11:06:59 PM

"Topics for reporting of non-standard fuels in local discussion categories could similarly benefit from unlimited editing."

I'm probably not understanding the idea, but are you saying that there would be value in updating prices in a local discussion thread for a post that might be several days or weeks old, and which has been followed up by many more recent posts? Wouldn't a new post provide more visibility than the expectation that people would read through old posts to see what might have been edited and contain newer fuel prices?

Sorry, but I find the post confusing.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 5:30:57 PM

Another reason to allow unlimited editing is that it allows for the maintenance of permanent topics, such as a FAQ, etc. Else they can only be maintained by reposting of updated versions, such was originally done in the Suggestion Tracking List topic. (Of course reposting updates eats up disk space, but text doesn't require much. There are other difficulties with links in a maintained topic in this forum, but we'll set that aside.)

Examples of maintained topics in a forum:
###Deleted###

Of course, these kinds of topics would need to be made sticky, requiring permission of the forum admin.

Topics for reporting of non-standard fuels in local discussion categories could similarly benefit from unlimited editing.

[Edited by: CC at 9/27/2013 5:23:21 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2013 10:09:18 PM

Evening y'all;

Yes I had the mods send me an email informing me of using the report abuse feature. I have used it to report and to lock topics. Thanks though.
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"I second that emotion."

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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 9:59:18 PM

Retired-Coastie:

To follow-up what kwzh and TxJeans wrote, if you make a "Report Abuse" on yourself, simply explain to the moderators that it's your post that you want edited, which post it is (you may have multiple posts in a thread and you're saving the moderators time and unnecessary reading), what change you want and why (i.e., "it adds context", "better explains", "corrects poor wording", etc.).

The moderators don't hold this against you as abusing the forums.

That said, whether the moderators choose to make the edit, or leave the original post as is (based on the number of or quality of follow-up responses to the post you want edited), is obviously and of course up to them.

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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 5:43:23 AM

Additionally, to what kwzh said, you can also make a "corrective post".

Of course the edits and timing of edits also have different effects depending on the board you are reading. Most member type forums that I belong to do not have enough posts in a short time of the day to move pages down or off the screen. However, many discussions for say newsville, may have pages w/in a very short time. So the effect of long edit times might be very different in threads like these vs ones in newsville or the politic forums. In many of the general forums there is so much fluff that most folks would never see the edit in forums with the current forum software used here (compared to a forum running something like vBulletin).
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 3:25:42 AM

Btw, Retired-Coastie, in case you don't already know this, a member can already go to their own post and request it to be deleted (or locked or even edited in a specific way) by using the Report Abuse button. It may seem counterintuitive to report abuse on yourself, but it's the recommended way of alerting the mods to an issue about a specific forum post.
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 1:23:36 PM

"And how many topics are truly relevant know? There is so much garbage, that you have to dig to find that needle in a haystack."

I second that emotion.
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 1:07:05 PM

Great argument for not making editing times unlimited R-C! Thanks!
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 1:04:48 PM

"unlimited edit time could make topics exceptionally disjointed and irrelevant."

And how many topics are truly relevant know? There is so much garbage, that you have to dig to find that needle in a haystack.
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2013 1:29:25 AM


Anything is possible but I wouldn't hold my breath.     ;o)
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 6:57:56 AM

jrvsa, I see that as a reasonable solution and wondered why that wasn't available as an option in many of the standard forum settings (I don't think it is available in the popular vBulletin -- something to check for another forum I participate in). It eliminates the issue of the unlimited, but it might be a bit more to program than a standard limit (then again, since this is such a plain jane forum format, maybe it would be easier?).

I understand that there are some bug fixes that are scheduled for the next update, but there was no indication when that next update will come. Does anyone know on average how often they roll out updates to the main website and how often to the APPS?

I have a feeling it might be a while because of some of the bigger items being worked on....such as the tagging the price fields to the MSL and the issue of cash/credit. Additionally, some of these updates are across all platforms whereas the forum just against the websites.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what that next "update" brings. :-)
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 12:29:22 AM

To me, a reasonable solution would be to allow unlimited editing or deletion of posts up until someone posts a reply. That would not work in Newsville topics, since comments are posted every few seconds in the popular threads, but it would work fine in topics such as this, where replies are typically an hour to several hours apart. Maybe five minutes or until the next post, whichever is less.

In this instance, R-C would have had over 15 hours to edit the typo in the first line of his last post.

[Edited by: jrsva at 9/18/2013 12:31:37 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 11:34:05 AM

Still, an unlimited edit time could make topics exceptionally disjointed and irrelevant.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 9:07:56 AM

Thanks for your input CK, my point exactly. Additionally, if a member edits there post there is always the [edited xxx] disclaimer at the bottom of their post. If needed for continuity a [post deleted xxx] disclaimer could be inserted where the members post had been.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 7:58:44 PM

One of the forums I participate in has a fairly liberal, but not unlimited opportunity to edit posts (and delete posts - but not threads). What we have found is that the "quote" function is important to use when responding to some individuals so you have the original quote there regardless of any future edits. (Better do your proofing before someone quotes you!). Using that quote has come in handy at times in heated forums. It also has a spot to allow identifying the reason for the edit.

It would be nice to have a more robust forum editor where you could WYSIWYG, and have preview. I think that would take away the need for unlimited editing. And, it might reduce mis-communications of this very limited text box.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 6:39:17 PM

As long as corrections were so indicated in the original post, perhaps by tracking changes as is accomplished in shared documents while using the current standard of time stamping the edit, there should be no problem with extending the ability to edit any amount of an original post indefinitely.

Of course, like most sugestions, this would require a desire by management to effect such change, and the attention of a programmer with the technical expertise to do so.

RG
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 4:18:06 PM

GB: "...it can make the responding posts look as if the member wasn't reading or understanding the original post correctly."

Yes, it could. However, do you have any experience that shows that this is what happens in practice? It is a fear, but does the feared thing ever occur? You may be physically able to drive 90 MPH through your neighborhood, but have you or any of your neighbors done that? Shall we ban the ownership of hammers because someone might hit another over the head with one? I have participated in several forums for years where there is unlimited editing, and there have been zero problems, so I don't fear the worst. Even if the fear were to come true, the member abusing the feature would be quite apparent and could be counseled by a moderator. In practice, it is a non-issue.

The most highly used comment system is Disqus (on over a million sites), which is used by many newspaper's online editions. Disqus has an unlimited edit (even when the publisher elects to not show it). And yet the world has not ended.
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TheJediCharles
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 9:25:37 AM

"Allowing a member to, at will, remove a thread or an individual post because he/she decided that he didn't like the responses, or for any other reason the original poster chooses, takes away the input of others diminishing the purpose of the discussions, an exchange of ideas."

Sounds dangerously like a solid argument against locking threads, too. ;)

"I agree the 5-minute edit rule can/should be extended, but [how for] long I don't know."

Does this mean it took longer than 5 minutes to read your entire comment after posting it or that you don't usually proof at all? :D

Har har har!!
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