Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    1:58 PM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: Suggest a GasBuddy improvement > Topics Add to favorite topics   Post new topicPost New Topic
Author Topic: Add "cash" feature Back to Topics
Dragonpyre

Rookie Author
Detroit

Posts:19
Points:189,380
Joined:Mar 2013
Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 11:39:54 PM

Personally, I'd like a cash/credit feature when viewing prices because you do not know if that amount is cash or credit because some places offer it cheaper than credit (I.E., Mobil offering cheaper gas if car wash is included).

Thoughts?
REPLIES (newest first) Topic is locked
Profile Pic
Don
Moderator
Message Posted: Dec 31, 2013 1:13:48 PM

As a reminder, if a topic has not been posted in for two or more months, please don't bump it back to the top of the forum list.

-Don
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Dec 31, 2013 12:24:08 PM

Dragon - there are too many permutations of "discounts" such as car wash, loyalty rewards, etc. for them to be practically included to the website and all the APPS.

As for the cash / credit pricing fields, the PTB state they are working on it (still).

Even with fields for cash/credit, the problem will not be totally resolved since in most areas the stations do not post both prices at the curb. Those wanting the CC prices will still be frustrated when those prices are not updated frequently enough.

As far as cash discounts, in my area, I can beat the cash price almost always by paying at the pump with my 5% cash back (PenFed or Sallie Mae).
Profile Pic
Dragonpyre
Rookie Author Detroit

Posts:19
Points:189,380
Joined:Mar 2013
Message Posted: Dec 31, 2013 12:19:34 PM

kwzh, some places offer cheaper prices if you also pay for car wash. I have seen Mobil gas stations here do that. For example, I saw a Mobil gas station offer $3.099 unleaded if car wash was included. But if you do not wish to have a car wash, it would be $3.199 cash or $3.299 credit.
Profile Pic
kwzh
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:23,121
Points:4,247,380
Joined:Jul 2001
Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:39:21 AM

I just re-read the top post, and I have no idea why the parenthetical comment talks about a car wash. That's completely orthogonal to the payment type.
Profile Pic
rick_evans
Champion Author Boston

Posts:6,335
Points:1,597,655
Joined:Aug 2005
Message Posted: Oct 11, 2013 12:01:13 PM

I agree with a cash price indicator but not with notifications of special car was discounts. Cash price is very common but special pricing can go in the notes section.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 7:54:26 AM

CK -<<<"If it turns you off, then I recommend that everyone in your area keep their knowledge to themselves and only reveal it to those who present the secret handshake. .">>>>
you are just being silly. It is not a secret handshake type thing. It is community of busy people with lives. They also LIVE in the community and tend to learn such things about stations in their community. Heck, even the hot topic of dual priced stations doesn't matter to me "locally" as I could probably find the best local credit price pretty easily based on my having tracked prices long term around here. But instead it is when I travel outside my "normal" area (not just site, but my normal travels) that it would become most beneficial. And, when I travel, I would not be stopping at each GB site border to check for such "abnormal" pricing. Especially since your list doesn't show a map view or a means of searching along the route.

People around here are out enjoying life or working and don't have time to routinely take much longer surface street routes routinely just so they can gather more prices as they would waste any gas savings from using this site in doing so (seems to me you mentioned the time distance when you took the freeway recently rather than the surface streets do to some problem on your long route).

Edited to fix cut and paste that didn't take

[Edited by: TxJeans at 10/9/2013 8:00:20 AM EST]
Profile Pic
CampKohler
Champion Author Sacramento

Posts:12,760
Points:2,030,100
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:24:02 AM

They entries are predominantly mine, because I entered all the ones I had discovered in the last five years. (I wasn't holding back to somehow make it look good.)

If it turns you off, then I recommend that everyone in your area keep their knowledge to themselves and only reveal it to those who present the secret handshake.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 12:49:36 AM

CK -
The thread doesn't doesn't seem to have much buy-in, and your wiki linked seems to be mostly your updates.

And, as indicated, when I travel, I will not be taking the time as I cross each gasbuddy site boundary to stop and browse such a wiki.

No one in my area would keep a wiki.

[Signage inconsistencies - folks not knowing what is on the sign cash or credit and both prices not on the sign in most areas.]

Those that don't know what the pricing is on the sign and post oblivious to the information probably wouldn't be going to the local forum and viewing a wiki - besides, most of the APP users don't appear to even know about the forums, and many posters that post in General or stumble into TBTU or SGBI for the first time have shown that they don't even know about local forums.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 10/8/2013 12:53:30 AM EST]
Profile Pic
CampKohler
Champion Author Sacramento

Posts:12,760
Points:2,030,100
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 11:32:22 PM

TX: No traffic is expected in that kind of topic, except that which reports changes needed to the data. It serves only as a link to the wiki holding the data, so that the data may be viewed by the locals.

LM: >> "No New York law explicitly regulates how prices are advertised on gas station roadside signs"

At least one county, namely Dutchess, has a new (April, 2013) law requiring separate price signs for each payment method that results in different prices. Unfortunately, they included weasel words that exempts any station that is subject to Article 16 of the NY State Agricultural law (which is any station that sells motor vehicle or boat fuels)! So a lawyer would say that you are right.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 11:11:14 PM

No CK - It won't help much, and I can bet there would not be much activity in such a thread in my local forum.

I don't have time to check all the local forums as I travel. LOCALLY, I pretty much have eliminated all the dual priced stations from my FSL and from my search criteria (BP, EXXON, etc). Locally, the gasbuddy info doesn't really help all that much any more except during "flares" in price wars. Otherwise, I know the top 5 stations on my list will always be within a penny of each other on the way up or down and the same when things are stable.
Profile Pic
CampKohler
Champion Author Sacramento

Posts:12,760
Points:2,030,100
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 11:05:28 PM

TX: >> "- Signage inconsistencies - folks not knowing what is on the sign cash or credit and both prices not on the sign in most areas."

One thing that might help there is a topic in one's local discussion category similar to this one.
Profile Pic
kwzh
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:23,121
Points:4,247,380
Joined:Jul 2001
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 12:53:34 AM

That's fine -- "credit higher" is consistent with what I was asking for.
Profile Pic
LarryMarg
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,374
Points:562,350
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 6:17:54 PM

kwzh - it would have to both be known to me, and to everyone looking at the price, that it's a dual-priced station in order for "cash price" to be meaningful. Since I don't know who'll be looking at the price, and it's unreasonable to expect everyone to check the MSL to see if the station is listed as dual-priced, I'll stick with "credit higher" or nothing, depending on what I know.

TxJeans - the following article mentions that "No New York law explicitly regulates how prices are advertised on gas station roadside signs"
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Legal-but-deceptive-gas-price-signs-3415548.php

Currently, my FSL just lists a couple of stations I frequent because the prices tend to be the cheapest, but I'll look into adding some of the stations I pass regularly so that I can save my comments for them. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Edited by: LarryMarg at 10/6/2013 6:19:30 PM EST]
Profile Pic
peregrin
Champion Author Baltimore

Posts:1,770
Points:622,440
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:58:23 AM

Come to think of is, is there a way to access "My Favorites" from the mobile app (other than the settings option of having the app go to My Favorites at app start-up)?
Profile Pic
peregrin
Champion Author Baltimore

Posts:1,770
Points:622,440
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:52:04 AM

Is it possible to post a comment when using the mobile app?
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 3:53:17 AM

LarryMarg,
The point being a useful comment being placed in the price report, and if in your normal travels, this is most easily done (IMO) by the FSL reporting.

Most states, I believe require at least some sort of notice at the street sign of dual pricing with many areas of CA apparently requiring both prices at the street. Here, where I live, most places only post the one price for regular, or maybe Regular and Diesel. A few post 3-4 grades but all post the cash price. However, FL requires a hang tag on the sign (easily missed by those not familiar with it) indicating cash, or cash and XXXX brand card.

I have heard that somewhere (forget where) requires the credit price posted at the curb, and I am willing to bet that those areas pretty much ignore the "CASH" faq since it would eliminate posting prices from the CURB sign.

I am surprised that NY (tending to be more regulated) that they do not require something on the sign indicating that price is cash only.

Again, I think the comment you stated about posting "cash" in the comments was just not clear but the idea is to include a meaningful comment...as our main tool at this time.
Profile Pic
kwzh
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:23,121
Points:4,247,380
Joined:Jul 2001
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 3:15:52 AM

OK, let me start over, with all the words in the right order this time.

My recommendation is that *if* you're posting for a station that *is known* to be dual-priced, then in addition to posting the (cash) price at that station, it's useful to include a comment. If you know the credit price, then calculate the difference (credit - cash), and use a comment like "+6c credit". If that difference depends on the grade of gas, then you can either make a single posting with a compound comment like "+6/6/5c credit", or you can post them separately and give them each an appropriate comment. If you don't know the credit price -- only that a cash-credit difference does exist -- then "+?c credit", or "cash price", is the best you can do.

If you do *not* know the station to be dual-priced, then yes, I would agree with omitting all variants of the above.
Profile Pic
LarryMarg
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,374
Points:562,350
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 4:54:27 PM

kwzh wrote> it tells me that this is a dual-priced station

No it doesn't. It just says that I've posted the cash price (which should be assumed). If the big street sign just lists one price per grade, I know nothing about whether or not credit prices are higher.

Scrapheap - see above. I do go far above "the very minimum guidelines", but it seems that I would actually be doing a disservice if I added a comment saying "Cash", since someone might make the unwarranted assumption that the comment implied that credit prices were higher.

TxJeans - around here, some stations post one price per grade regardless of whether they charge more for credit; some post the cash and credit prices for just regular, and some have a message on the street sign saying "same price cash or credit". In the first case, I have no way of knowing if it's a dual-priced station unless I pull in and check the pumps.
Profile Pic
kwzh
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:23,121
Points:4,247,380
Joined:Jul 2001
Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 4:30:19 AM

LarryMarg, regarding the comment that I recommended you use, it actually does convey information, in two ways. Firstly, it tells me that this is a dual-priced station, which would not be evident to someone seeing a blank comment; the default assumption would generally be that the credit price is "same as cash", rather than "larger by an unknown amount". Secondly, although you know that cash price is the norm, and I know that cash price is the norm, I can't know that you know, without the comment. So, it provides the meta-information that you're neither ignorant of the cash rule nor deliberately breaking it.
Profile Pic
Scrapheap
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:17,245
Points:2,930,200
Joined:Sep 2006
Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 3:40:45 AM

LarryMarg wrote > But I was replying to a suggestion that I add a comment saying "cash price". It should be assumed that the price entered is the cash price, so if I know nothing about credit prices, adding a comment saying that I entered what I was supposed to enter is, in my opinion, a waste of time.

It depends on what your purpose in reporting prices is. If your purpose is to fulfill the very minimum guidelines set up by the site, you may be correct. If your purpose is to help people make decisions on where to get the cheapest gas for them, then you aren't going far enough.

This is why a durable flag for cash only or dual priced stations would be very valuable. At least credit card buyers would have a buyer beware warning.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 12:46:13 AM

Favorite Station List.

Down the home page listings pic

"But I was replying to a suggestion that I add a comment saying "cash price". It should be assumed that the price entered is the cash price, so if I know nothing about credit"

As for KWZH saying "LarryMarg, even if you don't know the credit price, it would be helpful to the rest of your local members if you would fill in a comment that says "cash price" or "+?c credit". (Assuming you know that it *is* the cash price of a dual-priced station. On rereading your message, I'm not sure if that's what you meant or not.)"

I think he was indicating that at a dual priced station you reaffirm that you posted the cash price. He lives where there are most stations that actually post both prices and the dual stations tend to be more obvious. And we know that although we are supposed to post the CASH price, there are still those that obstinately break the rules and post CREDIT, or are still not aware that the rules changed back to CASH. Or just the short-hand of making a point that it is cash, is a warning to those that avoid dual priced. His comment "cash price" or "+?c Credit" were just suggestions of how to indicate that the station is apparently dual priced.
Profile Pic
LarryMarg
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,374
Points:562,350
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 12:10:05 AM

TxJeans - what's a FSL? (I post from my computer.)

Scrapheap - As I indicated, I do add a comment "credit 10 cents higher" if I know that to be the case. But I was replying to a suggestion that I add a comment saying "cash price". It should be assumed that the price entered is the cash price, so if I know nothing about credit prices, adding a comment saying that I entered what I was supposed to enter is, in my opinion, a waste of time.
Profile Pic
Scrapheap
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:17,245
Points:2,930,200
Joined:Sep 2006
Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 3:59:56 AM

LarryMarg wrote > Since the rules state that we're *supposed* to post the cash price, I don't see any reason to waste my time adding a comment saying that's what I'm posting.

You post the comment because people are making decisions on where to buy gas and the method of payment is a large part of that decision for many people.

This is why a durable flag for cash only or dual priced stations would be very valuable. At least credit card buyers would have a buyer beware warning.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 10/3/2013 4:00:35 AM EST]
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 11:55:23 PM

LarryMarg -
"They do have a "Different Cash/Credit Pricing" checkbox on the MSL."
This is relatively new - we are hoping it is an indication of actual movement by the GBO to work on the cash/credit issue.

"Since the rules state that we're *supposed* to post the cash price, I don't see any reason to waste my time adding a comment saying that's what I'm posting."

The rules are you are to post the cash price. Adding a comment such as Credit more, or credit X much more or dual priced station, or something IS helpful. Unfortunately, not enough people take the time. If you post mostly from your FSL, you can have some sort of default comment that will post each time. You only need to update that comment if it needs to be changed.

Some of the comments I have are "from sign" for those stations that I am not positive of the cash/price differential and that I never buy gas from.
Others say "cash or credit" (meaning single price mode), or "cash or branded card" or "cash or Shell" card, etc.
Profile Pic
LarryMarg
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,374
Points:562,350
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 11:41:46 PM

TxJeans wrote:
> I have said they need a "durable flag" to indicate dual priced stations.

They do have a "Different Cash/Credit Pricing" checkbox on the MSL.

kwzh wrote:
> it would be helpful to the rest of your local members if you would fill in a comment that says "cash price"

Since the rules state that we're *supposed* to post the cash price, I don't see any reason to waste my time adding a comment saying that's what I'm posting.

(I *have* updated the MSL to check the "Different Cash/Credit Pricing" box for stations that I know have dual pricing where it wasn't already checked.)

[Edited by: LarryMarg at 10/2/2013 11:46:36 PM EST]
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 6:03:09 AM

jedi ""How would this be better?"

Just to clarify the source to those observing it later. "

In regards to: "You almost make me think the better solution is to have a check toggle next to the price indicating "curbside"."

The majority are posted from the curbside. Do you think the armchair / apps award chasers are going to be honest and say from curbside when they don't know?
Profile Pic
TheJediCharles
Veteran Author Fort Worth

Posts:377
Points:66,285
Joined:Jul 2013
Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 12:09:47 AM

"How would this be better?"

Just to clarify the source to those observing it later.
Profile Pic
kwzh
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:23,121
Points:4,247,380
Joined:Jul 2001
Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 4:25:57 AM

LarryMarg, even if you don't know the credit price, it would be helpful to the rest of your local members if you would fill in a comment that says "cash price" or "+?c credit". (Assuming you know that it *is* the cash price of a dual-priced station. On rereading your message, I'm not sure if that's what you meant or not.)
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 11:27:57 PM

<<<<KTDx000 "Just have it default to the Credit price, unless a 'Cash discount' has been submitted. ">>>>

Just how would that work when in many areas only the cash price is posted on the BIG sign at the street from which most prices get posted?

<<<<LarryMarg>>>> "Note that many times the big street sign only lists the cash price. If I'm driving by and only see that, I can't indicate anything about the credit price. So, there could be reasons other than being a "slacker" for not putting in a comment. "

Which is why I have said they need a "durable flag" to indicate dual priced stations.

Not all people that don't put in comments are slackers but slackers don't put in comments.
Profile Pic
LarryMarg
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,374
Points:562,350
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 10:49:10 PM

"most of the slackers don't bother putting in comments"

Note that many times the big street sign only lists the cash price. If I'm driving by and only see that, I can't indicate anything about the credit price. So, there could be reasons other than being a "slacker" for not putting in a comment.
Profile Pic
KTDx000
Rookie Author Detroit

Posts:5
Points:975
Joined:Nov 2011
Message Posted: Sep 28, 2013 6:27:38 PM

Just have it default to the Credit price, unless a 'Cash discount' has been submitted.
Profile Pic
cnygas
Champion Author New York

Posts:1,145
Points:252,535
Joined:Sep 2013
Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 10:06:43 AM

Question: What about 'Member Price'? They are like a cash price, listed at the curb in the largest font but under it says 'Member price' instead of cash price. Do we list the member or credit price for those places?

I agree there should be a cash/credit page. Usually the station has a set amount difference between the two prices that doesn't change. If someone enters info into the cash page the credit page will also update by that set amount.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 6:32:09 AM

"You almost make me think the better solution is to have a check toggle next to the price indicating "curbside". "

How would this be better?
Profile Pic
TheJediCharles
Veteran Author Fort Worth

Posts:377
Points:66,285
Joined:Jul 2013
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 10:29:50 PM

"the majority of folks do not pull into the station for all of their price posts but instead post from the sign at the curb."

You almost make me think the better solution is to have a check toggle next to the price indicating "curbside".
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 10:04:56 PM

Even with separate fields for cash and credit pricing, the problem will not magically go away...

- The system will need to be able to filter the cash and credit prices separately on the price board.
- Folks will need to make an effort to get the CREDIT prices at the dual priced stations.

Most areas of the country do not require or have the custom of posting both the cash and credit prices (or the difference) on the curbside price boards. So, you will likely see less current pricing for credit, or "calculated guesses" of credit prices since the majority of folks do not pull into the station for all of their price posts but instead post from the sign at the curb.

Not all stations have the same spread between cash and credit, and those that have cash/credit dual pricing do not all apply the same spread to ALL grades.

THIS is why I requested a durable flag as Buyer Beware notice.
Profile Pic
buickentury
All-Star Author Madison

Posts:614
Points:492,710
Joined:Feb 2006
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:53:53 PM

Got to have seperate cash/credit prices! Some people, like myself, don't or can't pay cash for a number of reasons. This essentially makes the cash prices that are posted borderline useless as I've seen credit prices from 5-20 cents higher - enough of a variation that you can't just assume 10 cents or whatever higher. I'd think there could be some type of discount/adder attached to each station. Apply that adder/discount to the reported price whether its cash or credit and both prices update.
Profile Pic
Dragonpyre
Rookie Author Detroit

Posts:19
Points:189,380
Joined:Mar 2013
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 1:15:23 PM

Should we try to "teach" users of the comment feature and also remind them of posting the CASH price?
Profile Pic
TheJediCharles
Veteran Author Fort Worth

Posts:377
Points:66,285
Joined:Jul 2013
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 11:10:22 AM

In the end, the "just use cash" ruling is an inadequate response to the issue of different prices, and does not substitute for the clearly-superior solution, which is separate, distinct entries.

Even if everyone actually put in cash prices where applicable, even if nobody ever made that mistake, it's purposefully rendering this app less useful to those who don't carry cash and pay with plastic. It's "by design" saying they are less important in being informed and are a sort of "second class GasBuddy users" and should consider themselves lucky to get the partial data they get.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 7:34:36 AM

KWZH, it goes back to the durable flag. My comments say cash/branded card only. I post the CASH price because 1) That is what we are supposed to post, and 2) Because the CASH price is what is listed on the BIG board.

With my Cash Back of 5% I can usually beat the CASH price at a single priced station nearby. In fact, in *my* area, there are almost always single priced stations that have the same posted price as the CASH discount station.

It all goes back to Buyer Beware. I don't want to be on the highway and pass a good station for a "teaser" cash only to find that they have a higher credit price, or even a higher spread between cash and credit than what is customary where I normally drive.

In my home area, I know most of the brands that have a propensity of being dual priced, and avoid them like a plague. When traveling, I don't know which brands/stations tend to be dual priced.

Additionally, most of the slackers don't bother putting in comments. Those that do tend to be more conscientious posters.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 9/23/2013 7:35:35 AM EST]
Profile Pic
Scrapheap
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:17,245
Points:2,930,200
Joined:Sep 2006
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 2:47:42 AM

kwzh - At least a credit price with an erroneous "cash price" comment is not likely to draw someone to it on the false pretense that they are getting a deal.
Profile Pic
kwzh
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:23,121
Points:4,247,380
Joined:Jul 2001
Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 1:03:29 AM

I'm not convinced that a credit price with an attached comment saying "this is the cash price" would be better than a credit price with no comment at all. If we can't trust the comment to remain true, then why make it persistent?
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 22, 2013 10:58:32 PM

"It would be nice if the comment field were preserved, but only if the price is unchanged. Otherwise, if I post 3.89 / gallon and add a comment "credit 10 cents higher", then someone else comes along and (erroneously) posts the credit price with no comment, then it will wind up looking as though the cash price is 3.99 and the credit price is 4.09. "

Everyone is supposed to be posting the CASH price. We will never live in a perfect world. I would prefer the durable over not durable.
Profile Pic
LarryMarg
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,374
Points:562,350
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Sep 22, 2013 9:52:15 PM

"There already is a comment field to enter such information. Unfortunately, it is not "durable" and is over-written with NO comment by those that don't bother to do the "suggested" entry of the information into the comment field."

It would be nice if the comment field were preserved, but only if the price is unchanged. Otherwise, if I post 3.89 / gallon and add a comment "credit 10 cents higher", then someone else comes along and (erroneously) posts the credit price with no comment, then it will wind up looking as though the cash price is 3.99 and the credit price is 4.09.
Profile Pic
Dragonpyre
Rookie Author Detroit

Posts:19
Points:189,380
Joined:Mar 2013
Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 1:56:44 PM

Hopefully an improvement is made in that regard.
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 8:07:14 PM

cnygas "I do this but I notice very few others do, that is why we need a separate cash/credit listing.
One station I enter I always see the credit price posted when both the credit and cash prices are on the sign. "

Ah yes. Unfortunately, the FAQ has changed from Cash to Credit and back to Cash. There are many that never knew it changed (some now in compliance due to 2 changes while members). And, some insist on posting the credit because so many use credit. Even with 2 sets of fields tied to the MSL (Master Station List) the problem will not fully go away.

Issues I see are:
- Signage inconsistencies - folks not knowing what is on the sign cash or credit and both prices not on the sign in most areas.
- Search filtering and placement on the price board.
- Need a Buyer Beware DURABLE flag
- How to show on the maps and the various price entry methods
- communicating to the membership the changes
- Other pricing issues such as car washes, "reward card" such as the branded cards where you get points to use off gas when you buy stuff in the store, not the non-gas credit cards that have cash back on gas.
- etc.

It is a simplistic problem on the surface but much more complex when trying to work out the requirements and flow of the software and end users.
Profile Pic
cnygas
Champion Author New York

Posts:1,145
Points:252,535
Joined:Sep 2013
Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 7:48:37 PM

Thank you TxJeans, Gas_Buddy
I do this but I notice very few others do, that is why we need a separate cash/credit listing.
One station I enter I always see the credit price posted when both the credit and cash prices are on the sign.
Profile Pic
Gas_Buddy
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:29,665
Points:3,607,875
Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 7:33:50 PM

"A few station I pass have the cash price on the sign. As a new user I would like to see a field or comment that says "5¢ cash discount" or a separate Cash/Credit listing"

First, you already have a comment space that can be accessed when posting on the full website (from a computer) or via the full website when accessed from a mobile device's browser.

Second, you should be posting the cash price, meaning that a "discount price" or a "higher price indicator" should be placed in the comments field (not a cash discount placed in the comments field).
Profile Pic
TxJeans
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:7,233
Points:798,475
Joined:May 2004
Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 7:00:43 PM

"A few station I pass have the cash price on the sign. As a new user I would like to see a field or comment that says "5¢ cash discount""

There already is a comment field to enter such information. Unfortunately, it is not "durable" and is over-written with NO comment by those that don't bother to do the "suggested" entry of the information into the comment field.

"or a separate Cash/Credit listing."

This alone will not solve our problems w/out a more standardized reporting of prices by the stations. Very few areas of the country apparently post both prices on the big streetside price board. And, in my area, not only do they not post both cash and credit prices, you are lucky if they post anything more than REGULAR. So, those fields will likely be empty for credit much of the time, or folks will enter the prices into the wrong field. That is why I have called for a BUYER BEWARE durable flag as part of the solution.

See earlier in this discussion.
Profile Pic
cnygas
Champion Author New York

Posts:1,145
Points:252,535
Joined:Sep 2013
Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 3:41:23 PM

A few station I pass have the cash price on the sign. As a new user I would like to see a field or comment that says "5¢ cash discount" or a separate Cash/Credit listing.

I am piggy backing this topic but I know a few stations have full service (someone pumps your gas) options. That is good to know for the elderly, disabled or if the weather is bad.


[Edited by: cnygas at 9/20/2013 3:44:04 PM EST]
Profile Pic
retiredat44
Rookie Author San Diego

Posts:23
Points:1,425
Joined:Feb 2013
Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 11:18:08 AM

this is a must! gotta know if it is CC or cash,, sucks to find out the hard way!
Topic is locked Back to Topics