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Oachita

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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 12:23:01 PM

To dramatically speed up price entries, offer an autofill of the last posted prices in the Member Favorites display. Those prices show below the text box already; they could easily be loaded into the fill box with a button. This would eliminate the need to type in the same existing price just to update the clock. I don't like not posting if something is already "XX Hrs" old, even if the price is the same.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 8:33:10 PM

LarryMarg "TxJeans - they were earlier. Had it been another member, I would have entered my prices, but I figured if GB_Direct was updating the price daily, the price wouldn't get too stale. "

If they are updating the price only daily it would age off the "12 hour" list.
And, even if not, I look at how hold the price is and factor that into my decision. A 15 minute price is more likely to have not changed than one 12 hours old.

Post the prices when you see them. Even if only 15 minutes later, it keeps it fresh longer.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 7:18:14 PM

Regardless of who or when the price was updated, update it when you see it.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 7:04:43 PM

TxJeans - they were earlier. Had it been another member, I would have entered my prices, but I figured if GB_Direct was updating the price daily, the price wouldn't get too stale.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM

LarryMarg - were the GB_Direct prices time stamped later than what you wrote down, or earlier. If earlier, you should have updated with the values you directly observed with the time stamp for when YOU saw them. Same with prices entered by other members.

If you see Station A has regular for 3.55 and it is posted at 3.55 already earlier than you, you still enter the price to keep it current time stamp and from aging off.

Members often look at the time stamp when viewing prices and determining where they will stop to get gas. They put more weight on the more recent time stamps. If prices are rising and station A has 3.55 posted 15 minutes ago, and station B has 3.55 posted 5 hours ago, I would bet on the station A (of course factoring any local patterns of pricing that I am aware of).
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 4:56:57 PM

One time I did go to enter prices that I had written down, and see a GB_Direct entry where the regular price matched what I had noted, but the midgrade and premium prices were each 10 cents higher. I don't know if they had entered credit prices for those 2, or if prices had changed during the day.

If it was a location I passed by regularly, I would have checked again, but it wasn't, so I just ignored it.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 4:11:29 PM

Sorry but what I wrote, "If the intent of price posting isn't complete accuracy (typing errors, inadvertent confusing of stations, honest memory failure notwithstanding), and the intent is to post prices for points (i.e., recognition, entry in the drawing, etc.), then the member should simply find one accurate price and replicate the one posting for the maximum points." could have been written better.

If the intent is to post prices for points, and the member doesn't have five different prices to post in order to maximize his/her daily points earning, then the member should ("could" is probably a better word) find one accurate price and replicate the price four times, giving him/her fie price posts.

As TxJeans noted, there have some complaints about GB Direct price postings but, as I have said in multiple threads, I haven't seen false price posts under the GB Direct listings. Granted I haven't checked each and every GB Direct price posted in the areas I drive, but from the multiple stations I'm familiar with, the prices have been accurate. Reading some of the posts in various threads, it makes it seem as if all GB Direct participants are doing is making up prices on the spot, not even attempting to have near-accurate price posts, or (said another way) deliberately entering prices that are extremely higher or lower than the station actually sells for, and intentionally and regularly posts prices for fuels that aren't sold at the station. Sorry, but I haven't seen that. I'm not saying that there won't be GB Direct entry errors (just as I won't say individual members never have made an error entering prices), but I haven't seen GB Direct entries to be a problem (or, for that matter, wrong).
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 12:56:43 PM

""If all you're doing is duplicating a price already posted without having confirmed the price"

*I'm* not doing that; I only post what I see. (Some days I don't post any prices.)"

YOU may not be doing that, but OTHERS are posting false prices as they chase the APP AWARDS (and some for the general tickets points).
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"I agree, but (as I replied to scoutmaster), if people are cheating just for the points, then having a blank entry isn't on the table for them."
No, it gives them a blank slate.
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"How can they do this? I.e., how do they know what's accurate if they're not actually seeing the price themselves?"
They don't know and they don't care.
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"One way would be to find a GB_Direct update and duplicate that. If there were a way to search for GB_Direct updates, that would make it easier. (Con: it makes it easier to cheat. Pro: it preserves the integrity of the prices.)"
Not necessarily,as there have been reports of incorrect GB_Direct prices (complaints show up here periodically on that topic).
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"Another alternative would be if there were a way to say "I didn't see any prices today, but please give me points anyway". (That takes away the incentive to post prices, but it also takes away the incentive to cheat.)"
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Doing that, you might as well remove all points but that just isn't likely to happen. The APP Awards are probably a bigger driver of cheating than the ticket points.
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"Overall, the credibility seems to be pretty good. (At least, in my area.) Implementing the suggestion to disallow posting of prices for grades not listed as available on the MSL would help improve this."
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Tying pricing to the MSL is on the table currently and supposedly under development.
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I think autofill brings more negatives than positives.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 12:18:43 PM

"If all you're doing is duplicating a price already posted without having confirmed the price"

*I'm* not doing that; I only post what I see. (Some days I don't post any prices.)

"Better to have no price (i.e., a blank entry) than to have prices that are "probably closer to correct." "

I agree, but (as I replied to scoutmaster), if people are cheating just for the points, then having a blank entry isn't on the table for them.

"the member should simply find one accurate price and replicate the one posting for the maximum points."

How can they do this? I.e., how do they know what's accurate if they're not actually seeing the price themselves?

One way would be to find a GB_Direct update and duplicate that. If there were a way to search for GB_Direct updates, that would make it easier. (Con: it makes it easier to cheat. Pro: it preserves the integrity of the prices.)

Another alternative would be if there were a way to say "I didn't see any prices today, but please give me points anyway". (That takes away the incentive to post prices, but it also takes away the incentive to cheat.)

"many will say there is no price credibility any more"

Overall, the credibility seems to be pretty good. (At least, in my area.) Implementing the suggestion to disallow posting of prices for grades not listed as available on the MSL would help improve this.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 6:47:45 PM

> No price is better than a bad price.

Remember, we were talking about
>> those who do "false reporting" just for points.

If you can solve that, I tip my hat to you. Otherwise, "no price" wasn't one of the options.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 6:44:25 PM

"Possibly not correct as in current, but probably closer to correct than if they made something up, or entered a price they saw weeks ago."

If all you're doing is duplicating a price already posted without having confirmed the price, for all you know you're simply updating a price that the person before you repeated, and the person before him repeated. It could, in fact, be a week old price.

Better to have no price (i.e., a blank entry) than to have prices that are "probably closer to correct."

The integrity of this website, whatever integrity might be left (I say that because I know, based on previous posts, that many will say there is no price credibility any more), is diluted or eliminated if members post prices that are "probably closer to correct" than what they've actually seen.

If the intent of price posting isn't complete accuracy (typing errors, inadvertent confusing of stations, honest memory failure notwithstanding), and the intent is to post prices for points (i.e., recognition, entry in the drawing, etc.), then the member should simply find one accurate price and replicate the one posting for the maximum points.

While I've said over the years that the posted prices are a guide to correct prices, and that not every price is guaranteed accurate, we should at least try for accuracy, not try for "probably close..."
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 5:08:12 PM

"Possibly not correct as in current, but probably closer to correct than if they made something up, or entered a price they saw weeks ago."

If it's not correct, it shouldn't be posted. No price is better than a bad price.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 3:10:30 PM

> Yes they would be reporting actual prices but would they be correct prices?

Possibly not correct as in current, but probably closer to correct than if they made something up, or entered a price they saw weeks ago.

As an example - I went to get diesel Thursday based on a 3.99 price posted Wednesday. It turned out that the diesel was actually 4.35, and the 3.99 was the price for premium. I updated the prices to be correct.

I checked this morning, and the same person had again entered all 4 prices, with the first 3 matching what I had entered, but with diesel again at 3.99.

If they had repeated everything that was in there, it would have been more accurate than their re-entering the wrong price.

(I posted to their whiteboard and corrected the diesel price.)
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 1:54:52 PM

"Making the system easier to use will always make it easier to abuse, so it's the same."

Not always. You can make a system more user friendly without increasing the abuse potential. Currently, this site is pretty easy to use. I see no reason to make it easier.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 12:47:47 PM

GB: Making the system easier to use will always make it easier to abuse, so it's the same.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:54:56 AM

If the OP is using the full site, how long does it take to type in 1-4 prices? You don't need the decimal point so at most there are 15 keystrokes providing you are not entering comments.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:37:33 AM

"Currently on the Android app, if there was a previous price entered and it hasn't changed all you have to do is tap the price then tap Submit Prices"

Same as on the iPhone. It appears to me that the OP is posting from the full website since all of the apps and even the mobile website work that way.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:13:29 AM

The OP said " I don't like not posting if something is already "XX Hrs" old, even if the price is the same."

There is nothing preventing him from posting if something is already "XX Hrs" old except laziness.

He didn't mention what APP he is using but from what Scoutmaster has said, it sounds like the Android does close to what he wants. So he can "upgrade" his device if he wants ;-).

Since he (THE OP - For Gas_Buddy - the Original Poster ;-) ) has not been back, dare I suggest this thread be closed?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 5:09:30 AM

How much easier does it need to be? Currently on the Android app, if there was a previous price entered and it hasn't changed all you have to do is tap the price then tap Submit Prices! It ain't hard!
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 12:20:49 AM


I agree with TxJ. When GB instituted the app awards they issued an open-door invitation to cheaters. This proposal would make the system easier for honest folks to use and easier for cheaters to abuse. Don’t make a change like this unless the incentives to cheat are removed.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 5:37:02 PM

There's no fear of making the system easier to use. There's a concern about making the system easier to abuse.

Two entirely different issues.

But I'm lost on the analogy between making the system easier to use (or to not make the system easier to use) and bank robberies.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 7:21:58 AM

No CK, again you have put forth a silly analogy that has no bearing.
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It is not that hard to put in prices now and I think there is potential to lead to more folks posting prices while actually DRIVING, and I don't thin that is a good idea.
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Additionally, we have seen a spike in false prices from the apps with the app awards. I would say get rid of the APP awards, and then this feature might be an acceptable idea, but not now.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 6:19:54 AM

Yes if someone is going to cheat they will but why make it easier to cheat just to save a couple of minutes?

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 8/28/2013 6:20:41 AM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 1:53:57 AM

If someone is going to cheat, then they will. The fear of making the system easier to use is like discussing which presidents' portraits should be on which denominations in order to decrease bank robberies.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 12:55:07 AM

It doesn't work in the FSL, but in Map view I often hit ESC to fill in the last price. (I hear that on some systems it has to be double ESC, and on some systems it doesn't work at all.)
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 11:40:06 PM

When the system was changed a few years ago to show existing prices in the FSL, comments indicated concern that this would encourage posting of prices that had not actually been seen. I do not know how much of that occurs but probably some. I like the current system but I believe that extending it to autofill existing prices for posting would increase abuse. Of course it is already easy to repost existing prices using the map.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 7:24:40 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new topic on an existing subject.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 7:37:10 PM

"Yes they would be reporting actual prices but would they be correct prices?"
Exactly - they could be using it to quickly post prices for points/awards that are no more than re-aging out of date prices that have not been visually confirmed.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 4:05:27 PM

"Not a bad idea, but it seems that it could encourage those who do "false reporting" just for points. (On the other hand, at least they'd be reporting actual prices...)"

Yes they would be reporting actual prices but would they be correct prices?
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 2:27:02 PM

First, using the Gas Buddy app you already have something similar to what you're suggesting. Simply click on the station name you want to update the price for; click the current price, and then click any/all of the listed prices, and then "submit".

Second, This is an idea that has been suggested before. Many (if not most) of the comments have noted (as LarryMarg did) that this could lead to false price posting abuse. It would make false price posting easier and likely more prevalent. Also, it's been suggested that manually posting the prices will have a tendency to make members more conscious of the price they're posting and thus more accurate posting.

That said, I'm not sure how "dramatically" price posting will speed up or how much time would be saved but it doesn't seem to me that it would be very significant unless you were posting hundreds of prices daily. Posting even several tens of prices daily wouldn't seem to take that long or have very much potential for time that could be saved.

It's interesting that you're suggesting that prices be auto-filled to save time, reposting the price that's already there, but you then say "This would eliminate the need to type in the same existing price just to update the clock. I don't like not posting if something is already "XX Hrs" old, even if the price is the same." Are you saying that you wouldn't use the auto-fill to update prices because they're already posted? If not, then why the suggestion? I'm just trying to get a perspective of the suggestion.

As for posting something already there, the benefit of updating prices already posted is that each posting extends the visibility of the price for other members (including many of who say they either never or infrequently post prices).

While I understand the time saving feature of the suggestion, I think that the suggestion is essentially already available for the mobile app, and that there's limited value for the full website (i.e., the desktop/laptop/browser access). Just my opinion.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 1:47:14 PM

Not a bad idea, but it seems that it could encourage those who do "false reporting" just for points. (On the other hand, at least they'd be reporting actual prices...)
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