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Maintroll

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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 9:16:30 AM

We have extremely old topics that constantly stay at the top of the page where newer articles are never seen. These old ones that are ten years old should be put on a back page somewhere, locked or even banned from the site altogether. Everyday it is the same old, same old stuff constantly posted at the tops of the pages, which is totally ridiculous. I have posted newer items myself and they are practically never seen because of these older ones.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 5:20:03 PM

If a topic is locked, Retired-Coastie, it can be for the simple reason that the original issue has been resolved and no further discussion is necessary or warranted. But that doesn't mean that the information in the thread isn't still informative or interesting or relevant. As for moving it down, it will move down naturally as other topics are updated or new topics started.

Deleting it completely will take away the possibility that others will read it the thread and have their own question answered without the need to start yet another topic on an issue already discussed.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 9:00:31 AM

If a topic is locked, move it down and if its over a year old why not just delete it completely?
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 3:43:57 PM

I agree with the suggestion Hemond but without at least some enforcement it will not be effective. Your example is very valid, in fact finding a real discussion has become difficult at best. Many of the topics have responses from the same group of members giving the same one or two word responses, day after day, week after week and month after month. The Just for Fun category is supposed to accommodate but without moderation all of the categories could be titled Just for Fun.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 2:31:39 PM

I have a rule of thumb.

Never start or respond to a thread which can be responded to with a yes or no. If the OP's thread title is "Do you.....? or "Can you....? - don't even bother with it. It will just become polluted with yes/nos. (or y/ns).

If a topic can be answered yes/no, it is a certainty that the topic will become infested. And if you dare respond, you will marry that piece of garbage forever.

The topic will grow for years, never being closed, even uglier than a 3 year old thread rebumped. Never being locked because its a live topic according to the board rules. 10K, 20K posts is not unusual. Despite the abusive nature of these posts, they are within the rules.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 1:19:17 PM

Gotta agree with TxJeans.

Looking at the forum Hmenod is complaining about, most of the topics are similar JFF type threads that can arguably exist in a car talk category simply because they have something to do with a car, though they are not meant to generate actual discussion.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 11:44:04 AM

Seems like when I have peaked into the main categories other than TBTU and SGBI they are filled with examples such as what Hemond posted. I never contacted a mod to close or move because it seemed to be the culture. I was disappointed that the other forums were not more useful and informative, but they all seem to be filled with JFF.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 10:48:01 AM

Regarding Hemond's example, perhaps there should be some selective locking done in non-JFF forums, or perhaps threads like that should be moved to JFF.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 10:20:19 AM

QUOTE ::::We have extremely old topics that constantly stay at the top of the page where newer articles are never seen. :::


Yup, another valid criticism. Take for example, this obnoxious thread.

It is constantly bumped up top. It is filled with hideous one word posts. Often just the word yes or no. The OP has been inactive for 8 years. Yet the thread has nearly 10,000 posts. All garbage.

Curiously , its often the same people posting over and over the same polluting response.

There are 100s of abusive threads like this.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 8:52:31 AM

kwzh is right.

Many boards have rules about not bumping old topics, and in most cases the rules are ignored if it is an appropriate bump of an old topic. As kwzh stated, to bump an old topic notify the mods and indicate why you bumped it in your post.

On another board, I hate it when a newbie comes and goes through an entire forum bumping every thread that they would have responded to if they had been their during the initial discussion. However they respond to the OP that has long ago moved on or resolved their issue and everyone comes along thinking it is a current topic and it pushes the real topics of new posts looking for an answer down the list.

Now, the amount of JFF posting in non JFF threads -- the general gas board, for example is nothing more than JFF type threads and you lose any real topic that might actually be informative/interesting.

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kwzh
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 3:04:22 AM

In my opinion, the reason for the guideline about not posting to old topics is because the most common use case is someone digging up a topic that's already been resolved, and posting fluff to it (e.g., "ok" or even "I'd like to know too", when the answer is already on the page).

If you actually have new information to add to a topic that's gone idle, then the appropriate action is to alert the mods to your intentions, and then when you do bump the message, mention WHY in your message. I've done this two or three times, with no problems.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2013 11:39:40 PM

I never understood why its a rule here not to bump old topics. Why is this a problem? I'm on numerous other message boards where this is not an issue whatsoever.

Although its a rule here, it accomplishes nothing. It makes endless work for the mods when members complain about old posts. A huge waste of energy.

The big problem here on GB is the nonsensical one word posts. These are abusive and are equivalent to spam. I've never seen a message board so infested with hideous one word posts. I'm very careful which threads I respond in due to the overwhelming number of trash posts. Many posters are so lazy they go so far as to use one letter. This is littering. Ugly.

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waynecz
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 9:32:27 PM

agreed anything over a year old should be analyzed on whether or not it should be closed
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 10:14:00 AM

pt1KY - There has been some discussion about the brief topic title to try and better understand the problem that MainTroll has with topics. MainTROLL has not been back to clarify but appeared to be unhappy that his topics were not being responded to enough to keep them at the top of the various forums.

So - just exactly are you agreeing with? Closing topics over a certain age regardless of interest? All categories? Or did you just post for points which should be in the JFF?

Maxstar -- no, he didn't but that doesn't matter to CK except when it matters to CK. Everything that is thrown out to see if it sticks is added to the wiki, except when it isn't, or has to be -- what was the term?? Ignorignated?? enough??
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pt1KY
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 10:00:32 AM

I agree
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2013 4:32:29 PM

Did Maintroll return to clarify what his suggestion is?

[Edited by: maxstar at 7/23/2013 4:34:03 PM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2013 3:57:11 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new topic on an existing subject.

Obviously, if members continuously use an old topic, it is their choice to do so. Also, it the members don't want to use a new topic, that is their right, too. So, short of appointing a Topic Czar to make the decisions, who would decide which topics members will use? And if a 10-year-old topic were to be closes and it was simply restarted in a new topic, would you be willing to wait another 10 years to close that one, or would you want it closed now, also?



[Edited by: CampKohler at 7/23/2013 4:03:28 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 11:39:47 PM

Maintroll:

I'm not sure how much of problem this actually is. You've started five topics, including this one. One was in General Gas Talk in October 2010 (topic name: "Barrel prices as opposed to pump prices" in which you discussed "legal stealing") and that topic's last post was the same day you started the thread. Topics in that discussion category weren't usually pushed down the list very far several years ago (as much as they are now, in my opinion due to the greater use of mobile devices and greater number of members). In any event, even if that topic topic was pushed down a little, it doesn't appear that the topic generated much interest.

One was in the Talk Back To Us discussion category where, in my opinion, it was at the top of the category until the issue was resolved (a "Slow site".

The other two topics, one on "Teaching a teenager!" (June 2013) and the other on "Storm drains" (April 2012) were in the Off Topic discussion category. I'm not sure that the topic names necessarily created enough interest for others to continue to keep the threads at the top of the discussion pages but realize that they were both posted in Off Topic, along with the Just For Fun category, essentially a junk category or a place to start topics for points (and no, that's not saying that there aren't some very good topics started in Off Topic, but by it's nature, and a quick review of topic names in that discussion category going back over many pages, it's not a category of insightful issues).

Something that will or at least might make a difference in keeping topics at the top of the list, because you wrote "I have posted newer items..." - and that's putting aside members posting for points in Off Topic and Just For Fun (frequently one word or one number or one widget responses) is using more appropriate and/or more interesting topic names to get the interest or attention of other members, and to have a thoughtful original post which, after the member has opened the thread (based on the topic) will give reason to continue discussion.

Yes, there are a lot of topics, especially in General Gas Talk, that are simply one word input for the apparent sake of points. But in the sub-categories and the "lesser" categories such as Ethanol and Car Talk (among others), topics on the first or second page, generally for days. Whether or not the topics and original posts create enough interest to keep them going is another issue entirely.

Unfortunately, like it or not, members (many members for that matter) like the old topics and contribute to them. Your challenge is to get them to contribute to the topics you start (or find interesting). It shouldn't be to deny their participation in threads simply because they're old.

Just my opinion.

[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 7/22/2013 11:43:22 PM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 4:40:47 PM

Most importantly, which category are these topics in?
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 11:56:34 AM

I am curious to know which topics you are refering to. As Scrapheap pointed out there are a few pinned topics at the top of each category that will not move. The pinned topics generally discuss rules and guidelines of the discussion board.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 10:10:12 AM

What articles are you talking about? The ones the moderators have pinned to the top?
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