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Qadi

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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 5:00:22 PM

« § ♥ I travel to Iowa and back five nights a week driving a CMV. This account posts at some of those stations as well as here in the TC's, plus I have pulled up prices from across the country in small obscure towns. Many times the postings are wrong or for grades of fuel not even carried by the station. I find it disheartening to find my accurate posts, wiped out by some sort of widget account, posting willy nilly prices. ♥ § »

Cheers!



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khawk858
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2013 12:48:19 AM

I have been offended by seeing inaccurate prices posted by "GB Direct", and I was interested to finally know that it was stations posting regarding themselves. Thank you Michael for your July 4 comment with its explanation. My question is who has access to the program and what are the limitations? If anyone can claim to be a station posting responses, the situation is rife with possibilities of people using the method to enter whatever they want and lie about competitor prices. Maybe if the system was set up that the only information that could be entered would be a verified station for only its own prices. Maybe it is as I much admit much ignorance about how done and only having annoyance for wildly wrong postings at times.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2013 2:50:53 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject.

I think the consensus is that this suggestion won't really trigger any changes. However, as an educational excercise (for us denizens of this category at least), Oadi might want to show us some concrete examples, say by creating a GB photo album (from the banner menu: Community, My Profile, My Albums), uploading pix of stations showing the problem, and linking to the album once. There is sufficient space in the Description field to indicate what problem any photo is pointing out.

It would be interesting to see any GB-Direct anomalies and how common they are. Outside of the phony logos overriding the station's true (MSL) names, I can't say I have seen any improprieties in the program in my area.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 1:04:02 AM

OK, thanks for the clarification. The difference between an account disappearing into the phantom zone, and being deleted entirely, is meaningless when applied to the GBD pseudo-account, however. And I doubt that the mods are ready to kill off the account, though they might still take action against the GBD price stream for specific stations that are problematic.

CK, if there's enough meat in this thread to file it, it could go under "GasBuddy Direct, fix or eliminate" -- which I was expecting to be an existing topic in the STL, but evidently is not.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 6:10:53 AM

Ha Ha CampKohler? You're laughing at what exactly? What I posted is fact CampKohler. Are you laughing at yourself?

You will never shut down the GB_Direct program. The best we can do is monitor it and report it when it is wrong.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 2:48:32 PM

There are two separate issues here.

Is the issue/suggestion that if GBDirect posted prices are wrong (whether it's intentional or by mistake, be it "fat typing fingers" or simply ownership/operators updating multiple stations and making an error in updating the correct station) that that part; if icular GBDirect account be closed, or that the prices not be visible (i.e., the account can keep posting prices but no one other than that particular GBDirect account sees the post)?

If you're not outright closing the GBDirect account, then there's no value in making the "member id" invisible, in part because GBDirect accounts do not receive points for posting, meaning that gas prices are posted either to inform customers a station is competitive or to lure customers to the stations because the station is competitive. Simply making the "member id" invisible but not disallowing the post means that there's nothing gained by "hiding" the member's post; if anything, hiding the post is harmful because most GBDirect posts are accurate and informative (just an an overwhelming majority of member posts are accurate and informative).

Are there or will there be GBDirect posting errors? Of course; or at least probably. But few GBDirect postings, in my opinion based only on what I've seen and read in various discussions, are intentionally wrong. I'm amazed - because I haven't seen it - by the posts that seem to imply that most GBDirect price posts are deliberately wrong, are entirely random compared to accuracy among competition, and are routinely for octane grades and fuels the station doesn't sell.

Yes there will be errors, even among the best intentioned of us. Better to simply notify the moderators of blatant and/or deliberate false price posting than remove what (almost always accurately from my experience) is another pricing voice among members, or simply overwrite the occasional error. Moderators have repeatedly shown they'll take action against those deliberately posting false prices. The system works; let's let it continue rather than simply hiding names of GBDirect posters.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 2:20:39 PM

Quadi: So, to get back what the suggestion is, do you want to prevent GB-Direct price reports from being accepted by the system, prevented form being displayed to everyone or just to you or something else? I understand what you see as being wrong with what their posts, but I am not clear exactly what you want GB to do about it. In other words, what does "make [them] invisible" mean?

SM: Ha, ha.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 1:57:47 PM

"Micheal29644: If this is a program as you describe it should listed that way on the the member page for GB_Direct. Rather than referring us to email some account when there inaccuracies. I find this account posting prices for grades of gasoline not even carried by the stations in question. If this is supposed to be a program that is listing prices for, or it only posts 2 of the 4 grades carried by that station. Why would this be happening?"

Laziness? I don't know. I am simply restating what the mods have told us here in the forums, and on occasion, by private email.

"Before seeing your explanation of what you think it is, I thought I had somehow offended someone in management and they had put some sort of widget tracking my posting habits. Driving a Semi Tractor-Trailer for a living I get to some pretty obscure places to post prices. I regularly post 26 stations nightly. Some of them I am the only person posting prices for that location. To then see GB_Direct post over mine with wrong prices or extraneous grades. Makes one wonder why I even bother to care."

Again, it is not what I think it is, it is what the mods have said it was. It is not an account like you or I have, but simply an identifier for participants in the program. I, like you, am extremely frustrated by the posting abuses by some of the program's participants, but I do not run the site. If I did, I'd be kicking the serial price abusers out of the program. But I don't, so I can't. Please use the Contact Us link under the Help section to contact the site owners about the issue. Aside from that, there is nothing us mere users can do about the issue other than to stop using the site.
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Qadi
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 11:42:25 AM

« § ♥ CampKohler and kwzh: In the past when members were labeled troublesome. A flag was set on their account (they were banned) where any posts (gas or forums), were made anonymous and not seen by anyone. We had one TCGP member that continued on more than 3 years after the flag was set. Mainly because he was #1 in points on the site, but raised pure havoc in the forums before being banned. You can tell when this has happened by trying to view their member_id page. Gasbuddy will tell you that no information for that member_id can be found.

Micheal29644: If this is a program as you describe it should listed that way on the the member page for GB_Direct. Rather than referring us to email some account when there inaccuracies. I find this account posting prices for grades of gasoline not even carried by the stations in question. If this is supposed to be a program that is listing prices for, or it only posts 2 of the 4 grades carried by that station. Why would this be happening?

Before seeing your explanation of what you think it is, I thought I had somehow offended someone in management and they had put some sort of widget tracking my posting habits. Driving a Semi Tractor-Trailer for a living I get to some pretty obscure places to post prices. I regularly post 26 stations nightly. Some of them I am the only person posting prices for that location. To then see GB_Direct post over mine with wrong prices or extraneous grades. Makes one wonder why I even bother to care. ♥ § »

Cheers!





[Edited by: Qadi at 7/6/2013 11:50:40 AM EST]
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 1:10:08 AM

Spelling aside, I don't see why the OP suggests invisibility as a fix. If it's intended to be something different from removing GBD entirely, then exactly how would they differ?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 8:46:37 PM

Not understanding it never stopped you in the past CampKohler. There have been many suggestions that were not comprehendible and you added them.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 8:22:42 PM

SM: I would if I could understand it. The Topic field is worded exactly in the manner of a suggestion, namely a command for change ("make") and the change to be made ("the 'GB_Direct' member id invisable"). Happy? No, I guess not.



[Edited by: CampKohler at 7/4/2013 8:27:07 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 6:03:41 PM

Are you adding this to the wiki CampKohler? If not, why? This is a suggestion not a fix.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 5:47:41 PM

GB_Direct is not a person or even an account. It is a program where retail fuel outlets post their own prices, and posts by participating outlets are simply identified by the GB_Direct moniker. While many GB_Direct participants post accurate prices, there have been many complaints about inaccuracies within the GB_Direct program. Instead of hiding them, report the inaccurate prices to the mods. Be sure to include the date and time of the incorrect posting as well as any identifying information about the station, including name, address, cross street, etc. GB really needs to start kicking repeat offenders out of the program because they are undermining the usefulness of this site.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 5:11:55 PM

I don't understand what you mean by making the "member id invisable." Do you mean make their price reports anonymouse or do you mean make their reported prices invisible or something else. Please elaborate.

[Edited by: CampKohler at 7/4/2013 5:15:24 PM EST]
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