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choffman41

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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2013 11:31:49 PM

How about making this function the default rather than having to click a box for every news article. That way, all the people who enjoy reading messages like "ok", "old news", "whatever" and other profound observations, can click the box as they are surely in the minority.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 5:51:33 PM

SUVFan,

I have found the best way to deal with the OK'ers is to put them all in my ignore list. If they have so little consideration for the readers of the forums as to disregard the posting guidelines and clutter up the discussion threads, then I do not care to see anything they have to say on any subject. As of right now I have over 900 people in my ignore list, all for posting OK in the discussion forums. It is now a much better experience for me. The really shocking aspect of this is the number of long time members (many with red vehicles) who are now in my ignore list. I would have thought they would have known the rules, but seeing as they chose to ignore them, they'll get ignored by me. Sad it's come to that, but it's the easiest solution I've found.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 3:02:08 PM

SUVFan

"As it appears that the site has decided to yeild to the folks who want to post short messages..."

I don't see it as much as Gas Buddy yielding to the short post messages, the "ok", the "hmmm...interesting" posts as much as simple recognition that some short posts are valid and complete in their brevity, while at the same time recognizing that some members will simply slip in and/or take advantage of the option.

While I have no intention of using the "ignore short messages" option (just as I don't intend to use the "ignore member" option (because I'd rather see an opinion or point of view I may not agree with as it may be a better point than I have or it may simply reinforce my disagreement), I simply don't see value in making "hide some messages" the default...which is what the original post was suggesting. Better to see everything and then make a conscious decision to hide things you may not want to see. In my opinion.

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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 9:30:05 AM

As it appears that the site has decided to yeild to the folks who want to post short messages, perhaps it's time to replace item #1 in most of the forum rules -- that directs poster not to post jff style messages outside of jff -- with a suggestion that folks who desire to aviod short, jff style messgaes should avail themselves of the "ignore short messages" button or simply ignore the poster.
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EdWoods
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 4:56:54 PM

TB, Thanks for your insight. This looks like something that we just have to live with, and no, I had no intention of suggesting that the post points be dropped. I collect points like everyone else, hoping I might win a gallon of gas one day. Thanks for all that you and the GB Crew do for us.....
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TB
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2013 1:07:26 PM

EdWoods.

We have actually tried having a minimum number characters required. It ended up that the people who post for points just extended their text so that it would post and then they would get their points. This resulted in us having to store more text and thus taking up more resources on our data base server.

I think that the ignore short messages is the best of both worlds if you don't want to use it you don't have to. If you want to have a conversation you can use it and skip out on all the short messages in between all your posts.

As long as we give points for posting messages (before you suggest it no we won't be getting rid of that) people will post for points. So we have tried to give you the tools to make the forums readable and easy for having conversations.

Also remember that you can use the ignore member feature and for ever hide those members who only post for points.
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EdWoods
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2013 9:31:50 AM

I haven't had a problem posting (yet) what I type in is what comes up on the "reply" Screen..... But, We're dancing around the problem, not fixing it. Don, if you (or any other moderator) would want to comment, I'd appreciate it, since I have failed to see why we can't end posts like "ok" Quickly and permanently by having a requirement for a certain number of characters for a post to be displayed. Anyone trying to "Beat the System" by doing an "..............." or an "okokokokok" should be kicked off the board..... I'll admit up front that I have an odd habit in writing, where I often use a series of dots to accent a pause, such as I've done here..... But, with a minimum number of words as a requirement, that shouldn't be a problem..... My Thanks to all who really contribute to a discussion, you are appreciated by those of us who are interested in more than a Points total.



[Edited by: EdWoods at 6/24/2013 9:37:41 AM EST]
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2013 12:17:38 PM

Rumbleseat has a good point. At a minimum, it would be nice if threads started by a member we have on ignore would drop out of our thread history the same way they drop out of topic lists in the various forums.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 1:14:44 AM

So, Don, if they can do an "ignore short messages" option for us, why can't they do an "ignore JFF" in our own participation searches? We have no way of un-posting something we did last year, or the year before, or 5 years ago, and those threads come up forever if others are still posting in them.
The first page of my search brings up 39 JFF threads.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 6/19/2013 1:15:07 AM EST]
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 11:37:24 PM


I’ve had enough trouble with strange things happening while composing that I always compose in a text editor or word processor, then copy and paste into the forum box. Thus my message is always there to recopy if something eats it on the way.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 10:45:53 PM


When the Ignore Short Messages function is invoked while preparing a reply to a discussion thread, the not-yet-posted text in the message reply window is lost instead of posted.

I don't know if the behavior is the same in all browsers, but I discovered this the hard way when after taking about 20 minutes to type a lengthy response I accidentally clicked the ISM checkbox and the several paragraphs of my reply disappeared.

On this machine when the ISM checkbox changes states the entire page is reloaded. If that is normal behavior the text in the message reply window should be posted before the page reloads so it is not lost.

Testing also shows that when the ISM checkbox changes states while editing a previously posted response the message window reverts it's contents to before the editing, ie. with the message text as it appeared when Edit was first selected. Unsaved edits are discarded.
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Don
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 6:35:27 PM

Hi choffman41,

Thanks for your suggestion. I've forwarded it toward the development team for further review.

It does make sense for this to be included as a "permanent" setting for those who want the ability to hide all short posts.

Most people who are interested in constructive responses usually aren't worried about scoring points in JFF where most, if not all topics are one word/numerical responses, so I don't think those kinds of members would have any issues stumbling across an 'empty' topic. If they did, the change in their preferences could be made in a snap!

-Don
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 5:52:26 PM

SUVFan writes,
> it might send a message to the poster of the short messages when even they couldn't see their own posts, and if they inquired about it, it would lead to their education about proper forum posting.

Or it might cause them to conclude that there's a "minimal length" requirement for all posts, and lead to them appending enough junk text to make their posts "legal".

This is scary. I'm changing my vote from a casual "No" to an emphatic "No".
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 10:36:45 AM

It doesn't stop anyone from posting anything but when I just engaged the "ignore short messages" button, smugutu1234's post disappeared. Still, their purpose behind their message would be accomplished simply by bumping the thread to the top, even if it the message couldn't be read. The thread is not any more difficult to read without that message.

Note that the button also zaps Ziyulu and Maxstar's posts while Scoutmaster's 6/7 post made the grade. The OP never responded directly to Maxstar's question but you can infer that Michael29644's response rendered that question moot in the OP's mind and Ziyulu's post simply states their preference without adding any substance to the discussion.

In short, the substance of this thread is not affected by the loss of the three posts the button eliminates. I suspect that would be true in most cases in the threads where the button is available.

The button would not be OK here!

[Edited by: SUVFan at 6/13/2013 10:37:40 AM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 7:07:15 AM

It doesn't stop posters like smugutu1234 from posting short messages and I doubt if it was designed to do that. I think the purpose is so a member can filter out the "OK" and " I agree" and "Any more suggestions?" messages.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2013 9:34:24 AM

I like the idea, mostly because it might send a message to the poster of the short messages when even they couldn't see their own posts, and if they inquired about it, it would lead to their education about proper forum posting.

That said, I have not experimented enough with the function to have an opinion about how many "quality" messages are filtered out by the function?

I would think it would be rare, though, and that those who post meaningful, short messages would learn fairly quickly just how long their posts need to be to escape the function. Short responses, such as "yes" or "I agree" or even, "that makes sense", without more really add nothing to a discussion and would hardly be missed.
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2013 9:40:57 AM

Any more suggestions?
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 9:48:29 PM

I still think it should be on a user's preferences page.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 9:42:24 PM


Scrapheap's suggestion makes a lot more sense than an automatic default to "Ignore Short Messages."

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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 9:30:44 PM

Maybe a user option to ignore short messages in all news articles would be the best of both worlds.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 7:32:33 PM

The problem with making the "Ignore Short Messages" the default is that there can be some very intelligent or insightful responses that can be made in a short post. Defaulting to "ignore" would do more than eliminate the "ok" or "okay" or "Interesting" comments, it could hide useful rsponses.

I would not want to default to hiding text, and think that many people would never realize that the can "opt in" to all posts, no matter how much you might try to inform them.

(As an example of telling people about features, etc., - that aren't necessarily followed - CampKohler's Suggested Topic List is a very detailed and useful list, if you take the time to open it to see what topics have been previously suggested. But I doubt that many regular participants in the discussions (that can't help but see that topics have been added to the list) will start new topics without opening the list to see if there's an on-going topic on an issue before starting a new topic.)

To me, better to have the information (the short responses) available and let the member consciously default to "Ignore Short Messages".
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choffman41
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 11:43:21 AM

Michael29644 gave me the best idea. I added about 20 posters to my ignore list and that eliminated the majority of useless posts. Thanks for the tip.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 11:14:37 AM

I am not sure why this is an issue for you choffman41.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 6:07:15 AM

The default should never be to delete anything. That is a user option.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 12:28:06 AM

No. While the OK'ers, et al. are annoying, there are several valid posts in many discussions that would would be hidden "by default" if this were enacted. I just put the OK'ers in my ignore list and rarely see that non-response anymore.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 12:25:48 AM

I disagree, choffman41. Removing text should not be the default.

Perhaps my own example is the true majority -- I *never* comment on a news item, and it's rare that that I bother to read them; even the ones that are not filtered tend to be repetitive noise. (Today I broke with tradition to read the comments on self-driving cars.)
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