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SUVFan

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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 10:33:58 AM

Presently, 10,000 points are required to post on any whiteboard. I just greeted a newbie (by posting on their whiteboard) that had posted a day or two ago in our local forum. They won't be able to respond for at least a week, assuming they get all of their points between now and then.

It would be nice to be able to hit a button that removes the 10,000 point restriction at my pleasure. For now, I'd just let anyone post though I might change my mind if it became a problem.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 7:20:49 PM

Or you could delete your comment on the newbie's whiteboard, thus revoking his permission to write to yours until he gains seniority.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 1:32:27 PM

Kwzh's latest suggestion "changing the rule so that if X writes to Y's whiteboard, then Y can write back to X, even if Y is still under 10k" works for me.

>you didn't specifically say if X or Y is the older/senior member or the new member<

Gas_Buddy, the rule only applies if X, the first poster, is over 10k in points: Newbie on newbie whiteboarding would not be permitted by the amended proposal, and shouldn't be permitted in my view.

Note also that the "block" button would still be available if you regret the initial decision to start a wb conversation.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2013 11:24:03 PM

I think it was overkill to have both the whiteboard and the message system in the first place -- but, given that we do have it set up that way, I think my suggestion might be the "sweet spot". Of course, the path of least resistance is to just keep the status quo.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 11:18:47 PM

Yeah, me too. I was agreeing with kwzh because they obviously put that rule in there for a reason and probably don't want to give it up.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 9:14:07 PM

kwzh:
"Rather than adding user options, I think I'd just go with changing the rule so that if X writes to Y's whiteboard, then Y can write back to X, even if Y is still under 10k. This avoids the problem where X doesn't even know about the restriction."

kwzh: It seem as if you're saying an older or member can whiteboard a new member and the new member gets reciprocal writing ability (to that specific senior member) but you didn't specifically say if X or Y is the older/senior member or the new member.

Knowing what the moderators said about spam, maybe the question is, has there been or is there an on-going problem with whiteboard inundation posting by new members. If not, then maybe the solution is to simply open up whiteboard posting both ways and simply allow members to turn off their whiteboard if they want to receive whiteboard messaging.

Knowing the Buddy messaging enables discrete or one-on-one conversation, has whiteboard inundation been a problem? I don't think I've received so many whiteboard messages as to be a problem. What has been a problem, and while it's occurred on the whiteboard any number of times, is a different issue, is random people, those I've never seen in discussions or posting gas prices in my area, wanting to be buddies. And I can delete those from my whiteboard easily.

I'm all for opening up whiteboarding both ways.

[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 6/1/2013 9:18:20 PM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 5:45:31 PM

So do I. Excellent thinking!

Changing a rule wouldn't involve fiddling with the graphics. How would the logic work? If sender X has a post currently on newbie Y's whiteboard, bypass the 10K limit for sender Y for addressee X only.

[Edited by: CampKohler at 6/1/2013 5:51:10 PM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 7:30:16 AM

I agree with kwzh.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 2:43:15 AM

Rather than adding user options, I think I'd just go with changing the rule so that if X writes to Y's whiteboard, then Y can write back to X, even if Y is still under 10k. This avoids the problem where X doesn't even know about the restriction.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 1:40:19 AM

So these newbies would be like buddies in effect, but for the whiteboard. I didn't read that into it. That would entail a lot more coding effort, storage space for everyone's newbies, etc. as compared to a Yes/No selection for all newbies. Couldn't we make do with the latter?
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 8:03:55 PM

I'd add to CampKohler's explanation that control would lie with the would-be recipient of newbie messages that it would be on a newbie by newbie basis. That might not be completely clear from the lead post, though it is how I envisioned it being implemented.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 6:03:29 PM

You, without doubt, absolutely, entirely and completely missed the point altogether (for the most part)! The suggested change allows the recipient to dispense with the 10K pt limitation. If you don't want newbies writing on your whiteboard, you would not use the option, i.e. nothing would change from current practice if you so elect.
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kona763
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 5:18:48 PM

No there shouldn't. They'll just have to wait. I'd rather not get a boatload of spam and I appreciate that GasBuddy has these kinds of safeguards. Now if we could just find a way to get the price cheaters...
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 11:55:00 AM

Thanks for getting this back on track, Gas_Buddy.

Don did explain the reason for the default 10,000 point requirement. That makes sense, but I think it would be the exceptional newbie that might induce as many as 25 of us to unblock our whiteboards. The mean, median and mode would all round to zero. I can't imagine that I would reach out to more than a single digit fraction -- i.e., less than one in ten.

Few of the local forums I've visited seem to have more than a dozen regulars most months. And these national threads attract only about the same 2 dozen or so. At least half of the national regulars would seem most unlikely to open their whiteboard to a newbie, IYKWIM?

When I started this thread, I did not suggest any change to the default setting. All I ever asked for was for a method we could use to permit a specific newbie -- not all newbies -- to post to our own whiteboards. I don't see how that would expose the site to an influx of spam postings.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 7:29:55 PM

Deviating, people. Deviating.

The topic is about posting to a whiteboard, not about whether new members should be able to start threads or not (regardless of whether they've reviewed previous posts to see if an issue has been covered).

As for the original topic, it seems the moderators have indicated why there is a required point minimum ("...we want to deter spam bots from abusing the whiteboards"). Further discussion could be about whether or not individual members can lift the minimum for their membership in order that non-10,000 point members can post on their white board or respond to white board posts (from the senior member), but new members starting topics or searching (or not searching) to see if issues have been covered/similar-same questions being asked previously are irrelevant to this specific topic.

Just trying to bring people back to the original post.


[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 5/13/2013 7:31:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 4:22:03 PM

"Most of us can tell by the topic title if it's going to be a question that has been asked and answered before. But the person who posted it doesn't know that. Nothing compels us to open the thread or post in it."

If the member would have looked before starting a new topic, we wouldn't have so many topics about the app awards, prize winner not picked yet, etc.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 4:11:49 PM

Well said, TxJeans. I think allowing newbies to start topics in TBTU and other places helps retain newbies that might otherwise get frustrated and not come back.

Most of us can tell by the topic title if it's going to be a question that has been asked and answered before. But the person who posted it doesn't know that. Nothing compels us to open the thread or post in it.

The site warns in nearly every forum not to bump old threads that are more than 60 days without a post. The site could warn to do a diligent search before starting a new topic, but they haven't. That tells me that they understand that the site is not set up to make catching duplicates very easy and they don't really mind them so much.
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krazkar
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 12:49:57 PM

I did not know this. Maybe that is why he won't reply. Or he just doesn't care. He just updates prices, right or wrong. I have written on his wall twice. Still happens
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:22:52 AM

my comment was in regards to " I would add you must earn 10,000 points to start a new topic. "

Newbies can be stupid pain in the behind, or they can bring value with a fresh view.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 2:01:29 AM

fharri, who are you agreeing with?
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fharri7196
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 3:35:35 PM

I agree
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 8:21:26 AM

TxJeans wrote > Maybe we need a newbie forum for newbies to ask questions answered by those that are more familiar to the site.

It already exists. It is called Talk Back To Us. Believe it or not, that forum exists more for the newbies, who provide a fresh POV on the site, and the moderators than it does for those of us who have been around for years and have figured out the quirks of this site.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 5/11/2013 8:23:29 AM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 7:58:00 AM

"The only problem with that is that sometimes a newbie has a real question to ask."

Most of the time the question has been asked and answered a couple of times already.
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 1:20:42 AM

"Maybe we need a newbie forum for newbies to ask questions answered by those that are more familiar to the site. "

About two years ago, I suggested just that as an improvement. Instead we got awards
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 8:39:11 PM

SM "I think having to earn 10,000 points before you can do certain things on this site is a good idea. I would add you must earn 10,000 points to start a new topic. "

The only problem with that is that sometimes a newbie has a real question to ask. Maybe we need a newbie forum for newbies to ask questions answered by those that are more familiar to the site. Only problem is, I don't think they can restrict by forum...
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 6:53:57 AM

I think having to earn 10,000 points before you can do certain things on this site is a good idea. I would add you must earn 10,000 points to start a new topic.
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 6:00:56 AM

How about using Captcha for anyone with less than 10K points.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 8:54:15 PM

Deterring spambots is certainly a worthy goal. Perhaps it could be done another way, say by using Captcha for whiteboard posts. Or require the author to enter a changing-per-page word displayed in a color so light as to be barely readable.

Or just count the number of whiteboard posts a member makes, and if it is excessive over a time period, do him in.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 8:29:06 PM

Personally, I think it is fine as it is, but a compromise would be to allow newbies to only post to whiteboards of folks that have posted on their whiteboards. [SUVFan posts to NEWBIE1, NEWBIE1 can post to SUVFAN w/out meeting the 10,000 posts, but can't post to CampKohler's board unless CampKohler also writes on NEWBIE1's board.]

That said, there are a lot of suggestions that have been pending that I would put at a MUCH higher priority.
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Don
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 5:15:29 PM

TBH we see more support emails from new users about what the member whiteboards are, ahead of inquiries over buddy requests or personal messages.

The primary reason why 10,000 points are required to post on user whiteboards is we want to deter spam bots from abusing the whiteboards.

-Don
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 4:27:39 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject.

I don't see any problem with allowing a member to remove a restriction that the member had no say in putting in place in the first place.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 3:58:16 PM

The buddy request is cumbersome, especially for a newbie who would have no idea what one is about. I've seen a large number of posts to whiteboards in response to a buddy invites asking what the sender wants?

Presently, clicking on the "settings" button produces this small menu of options:

Who can write to this whiteboard:
Anyone
Only Buddies

The problem I'm identifying is that "anyone" really is "anyone with 10,000 or more points". If "anyone" meant truly anyone, I'd be fine without any point limit, but I know we have members with newbie-phobia. What I'm suggesting would be an easy fix and wouldn't trouble anyone who likes things that way they are.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 1:00:33 PM

Yes you can maxstar.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 11:26:57 AM

Can't you just send the member a buddy request and use PMs ?
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