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GoGoGoodyear

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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 4:48:58 AM


The intention here is to preserve the ability (for the 'first finder') to record a price for a fuel grade where the MSL has not yet been updated to show a station now sells it, if the tie-in with the MSL to prevent posting prices for non-existent fuel grades is ever implemented. Also if a station that was marked closed has now re-opened.

The smartphone apps could allow entry of a price(s) for a non-existent grade(s) HOWEVER that price would not be posted to the site... the price would be remembered by the app on only that smartphone and cause an occasional reminder to the member that they need to access the full site and update the MSL first.

Two possible actions could follow:
If the MSL is updated within a certain number of hours (To be determined) the memorized price would post automatically or could be recalled by the member on their smartphone app and posted. Either way the posted price would be backdated to the original time of observation so it could not override a more recent price post;

After a set number of hours (probably 24) without being posted to GB, the previously memorized price is auto-deleted from the app without posting and reminders for the member to update the MSL cease.

A similar function could be implemented for the full site on desktop browsers but this may not be as useful since updating the MSL from a desktop browser in a new window or tab while updating prices is trivial.

Points would issue only when the price posted to the site.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 12:28:44 AM


The Yes/No/Unknown might be an even better idea, but would probably require a major rework of the MSL database.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 11:59:46 PM

I'll agree on using the Yes/No/Unknown three-state logic. But I don't see a distinction between fuels/grades and features -- "Regular Gas" and "Diesel" are listed in the same "Station Features" section of the MSL where one finds "Restrooms" and "Pay at pump".

(I still don't see an urgent need for provisional price-posting, though.)
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 3:33:42 PM

I and one other member had the Yes/No/Unknown suggestion so far back that it has fallen off the edge of the earth. But neither of us applied that to fuels/grades, just features. But it's a thought.

I think GGG's idea of allowing provisional price reporting for blocked fuels and triggering an MSL update (vs. simply blocking) is a good one.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 7:14:40 AM

I kind of like this idea that jrsva came up with. I include it with every report of false diesel postings.

"Some while ago in the Suggest A Web Site Improvement forum, there was a topic suggesting that each feature in the MSL should have 3 radio buttons rather than one check box. The buttons would be labeled Yes, No, Unknown. All would be set to Unknown by default. When a station is updated or a new station is entered, the Yes and No buttons could be used as appropriate to indicate each feature of the station. If no one has checked to see if there is a pay phone then that feature would remain Unknown.

It has been suggested that if No is checked for any grade of fuel, nobody should be capable of reporting that fuel. If Yes or Unknown were checked, people could enter prices for that fuel."
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 6:43:02 AM

I think a better suggestion is to not allow posting to a station that is in any form of closed or deleted on the Master Station List.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 3:38:24 AM

Interesting idea, but it seems like overkill to me. Why put any effort into displaying something that (ideally) is only relevant for a brief period of the lifespan of each station?
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2013 11:28:55 PM


My intention was to remind the member(s) who actually post a price for a 'locked out' grade to update the MSL or ask someone else to do so before their price post will be accepted. At the same time, it allows recording the price (instead of outright rejecting it) somewhere quickly while a member is at the station, and updating the MSL later since doing that takes more steps.

If the 'locked out' price is cached on the site for everyone to see (even with a different color) it could also encourage more of the unseen prices posting problem (ala Diesel) that we already have too much of.

The idea was based on some other conversations I came across on GB where members had marked stations as 'Temporarily Closed' and nobody remembered to Re-open the stations in the MSL for months after they were back in business, but just kept posting price updates. A system 'nag' message might have helped.

Keep in mind that if the MSL tie-in is ever implemented members will be blocked from reporting for grades a station does not carry, and many will probably just give up and move on instead of taking the time to update the MSL. Although infrequent, a station that remodels and adds a new grade not sold before might otherwise go un-reported for some time until the MSL is updated.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2013 10:23:53 PM

You could go nuts trying to figure out what the colors mean! The more stuff you add the more confusing and non-user friendly it becomes.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2013 3:27:10 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject.

Very clever those LA-liens. Why not have the questionable price cached by the system (vs. the phone), so if another member updates the MSL, it is posted? It would also allow the member to be reminded of the dangling price should he log in to the full site.

Additionally, it could display red ???? in the price field to remind all others to verify the particular fuel/grade. Another member entering zeros would delete the cached price, but entering a price update would verify it, perhaps replacing the ???? with a red price, meaning "Will someone PUH-LEASE update the MSL on this?" Once verified (by a different member), additional updates would override the MSL block for the fuel/grade, either permanently or for some time period.

Oh, you could just go nuts with the options on this.

[Edited by: CampKohler at 4/16/2013 3:31:01 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 6:15:47 AM

Most sites auto delete prices after 24 hours. What is the point of tying the grades checked in the MSL to what can be posted for a station if you want to allow posting for grades a station doesn't carry? This seems to defeat the purpose of tying these together.

People with smartphones can access the full site.
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