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GoGoGoodyear

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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2013 3:22:48 AM


I just saw this, don't know how long it's been since it was implemented. I edited the URL of a forum thread and replaced

www.losangelesgasprices.com/Forum_Msg.aspx?etc.etc. with
www.gasbuddy.com/Forum_Msg.aspx?etc.etc.

leaving the rest of the URL intact. At the blue divider bar between the OP and the replies there is a checkbox for 'Ignore Short Messages'.

I can see that option when viewing any forum discussion if it's accessed via gasbuddy.com instead of LosAngelesGasPrices.com. I haven't yet tried other GB city sites.

Interesting!


[Edited by: GoGoGoodyear at 4/5/2013 3:26:23 AM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 11:48:28 AM

"As you will remember that GIDDYUP! is shorthand for the unseemly practice of trotting out the "this idea is not as important as I think some other idea is, so it is unworthy of consideration" argument instead of simply discussing the merits of the present idea."

I'm not sure that newer members to this or other threads will know or remember the definition of the shorthand. Perhaps it's best to spell out abbreviations and acronyms that are not generally known.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 6:49:44 AM

Interesting CampKohler. I don't remember that. Is GIDDYUP and acronym? If it is, I'm a little befuddled by the meaning you posted.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2013 4:08:26 PM

I assure you that I already had a max forum point count, so there was no posting for points (yesterday or any other day). As you will remember that GIDDYUP! is shorthand for the unseemly practice of trotting out the "this idea is not as important as I think some other idea is, so it is unworthy of consideration" argument instead of simply discussing the merits of the present idea.


[Edited by: CampKohler at 4/14/2013 4:11:18 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2013 7:00:27 AM

CampKohler has been reported for posting in the wrong topic. His last post has nothing to do with this topic and appears to be "posting for points".
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2013 1:51:16 PM

GIDDYUP!
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2013 6:08:03 AM

True kwzh, but don't you think something that would help with price reporting is more important than ignoring messages with sixty characters or less?
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 11:46:19 PM

Fortunately, the developers are not constrained to only work on what someone thinks is the biggest problem.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 10:47:35 PM

Looks like this suggestion has gone live! I still am not sure this has more value than tying the grades checked on the MSL to the what grades can have prices posted.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 4:33:39 PM

What post?

GGG: Looks like the ISM option has hit broadway. Notice the change in color scheme on the site. I kind of miss the green and yellow price backgrounds; things sort of look like the site is standing there in its underwear.
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 2:23:20 PM

CampKohler:

Sorry, but can you explain what your most recent post adds to the discussion?

The "drunk fathers" comment, specifically, is uncalled for. In my opinion.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 1:35:11 PM

Well, CK, that was a lot of words that said, well, absolutely nothing.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 7:48:47 AM

I wondering why would it get edited down?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 8:32:08 PM

CK <<<SM: It could be edited down simply as a means to defeat it. If I discovered that, anyone could discover it and then continue to post "OK" or other short responses leading to needless trouble reports that the feature was not working. >>>

I think most of the folks posting OK would not bother with this to get around the filter - they are looking for points. Anyone that routinely abuses this, could be dealt with appropriately.

Don - I still say 60 characters is too long, but maybe you will get more feedback once you get it out in the field and not just stumbled upon. I would think the adjustment to the filter after a field trial would be an easy task.

Thanks
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Don
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 7:09:37 PM

"Why 60 characters-- seems a bit too long?"

Not entirely positive why 60 characters was the magic number, that was a decision made by the developers. I'd be speculating taking a guess why, but my assumption would be that users having an in depth or constructive discussion will generally post a message over 60 characters.

>-A message like this one is less than sixty characters-<

... so when you get a "fluff" style post such as the following that says "I appreciate you posting this article for me to read." - those kinds of messages can be filtered out.

If you filter everything else out below that set character number, you can filter out most of the "fluff" and read the conversation uninterrupted.

-Don
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 1:54:30 PM

SM: It could be edited down simply as a means to defeat it. If I discovered that, anyone could discover it and then continue to post "OK" or other short responses leading to needless trouble reports that the feature was not working.
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 6:42:07 AM

I think the mere existence of the feature is more important than the exact cutoff point, but since we *are* talking about GasBuddy improvements here, I guess it's reasonable to either discuss what range of values will do useful filtering, and also whether the cutoff should be user-selectable instead of just a checkbox.
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 10:12:09 PM

I agree TX.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 8:55:19 PM

Why 60 characters-- seems a bit too long?
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 8:25:02 PM

scoutmaster: It's been observed that if you create a "long" message, then click the Edit button and turn it into a "short" message, it still counts as "long" for purposes of this feature. My guess is that the text (and markup?) in the "Edited" stamp at the bottom of the message is of sufficient length to do this, rather than it being a sticky flag.

I expect that this new feature will mostly be used in threads that get huge amounts of useless short postings -- as noted, in the news threads in particular. It's not relevant that several messages in this thread, for example, would be hidden, since there's no particular reason for anybody to use the hide option here (except to test it, of course).
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 5:30:47 PM

Why would it be edited down?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 5:20:05 PM

Yes, unless it resulted from being edited down from a longer msg.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 12:57:52 PM

So sixty characters would mean this message would be hid!
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Don
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 12:21:57 PM

There are always a number of different things being worked on behind the scenes at any given time.

Short messages are considered anything less than 60 characters.

-Don
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 9:09:36 PM

Yeah Don I remember that. What is a "short message" length considered?

My point was there are some short answers that are meant to be short. And it seems the people complaining about the short answers has dissipated. I feel tieing the MSL to what grades could have prices posted per station is 1000 times more important than this.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 9:01:30 PM

Thanks Don.
I suspect this is still in beta testing? A couple of questions/comments...
1 - how long is "short" (what is the maximum that will be filtered out?
2 - the check mark does not seem to reset the filter when it is unchecked. This might be a good thing to have happen.
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Don
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 4:27:22 PM

OK
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Don
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 4:26:40 PM

The Ignore Short Messages feature hasn't been updated into the local sites as of yet, so if you're browsing the forum from an existing XXXGasPrices.com site such as LosAngelesGasPrices.com, you won't see this.

If you splice together the GasBuddy main site URL (http://www.GasBuddy.com) together with a local site forum topic URL (ie, this topic URL - Forum_MSG.aspx?master=1&category=1237&topic=536641&page_no=1&FAV=N, you can then be view the forum using the new main site theme.

You can view this same topic in the new theme by clicking this URL.

The Ignore Short Messages check box is below the OP and above the most recent response in the forum.

Try hiding my following response ("OK") by clicking the box.

Scoutmaster - "I'm wondering the usefulness of this?"

If you can recall, in the past we've been hammered by the user base to prevent people from posting short responses in the Daily News Article area.

As it is nearly impossible for us to locate, monitor and remove every short post of this nature, the Ignore Short Posts feature remedies the issue and allows users to hide and ignore the kinds of short posts that they'd rather not see.

-Don


[Edited by: Don at 4/8/2013 7:03:49 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 4:47:02 PM

I'm wondering the usefulness of this?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 4:24:18 PM

CK -- what filter do you THINK I am talking about? The one in the OP - filter for short message length.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 3:29:00 PM

TX: What is the filter you are speaking of? And is the feature working intermittently for you?
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 5:47:20 AM

Thanks kwzh. I see it now.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 4:10:20 AM

scoutmaster, try this link for viewing this topic in the relevant mode.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 9:46:41 PM

I think it was set too large of filter.
The check box I thought worked for me earlier, but not now.
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 8:58:29 PM

I still see nothing that says ignore short anything!
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 2:19:31 PM

Scrap: It does work, but it has it's rules.

I don't believe the depth of the available pages has anything to do with this feature, but rather what GB establishes, namely four pages (unless you know the trick to increasing it).
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 1:42:28 PM

SM
<<I tested it and it really doesn't do much. You may not see 1 word answers but that is all it does, and once set, you can only undo the setting in a given thread by editing the URL.>>

Just tried it again, and under the OP post you can uncheck the check box. Nothing difficult.

<<<It doesn't work like ignoring people who post 1 word posts. You see about 40 posts per page on a thread and can go back only 4 pages. Therefore you can see only the last 160 posts or so in a thread. If you put people on ignore, their posts don't count against the posts per page count and you can see how discussion evolved over a longer length of time. Ignoring the short posts just means that you won't see 40 posts per page. You may see only 10 or so but will still can't go further back into the discussion to see how it evolved>>>

I am not sure I am understanding what you are describing.

The only thing is I don't know what their cut off is for short posts.
I tried several VERY long threads w/ >1000 responses. With the check box unchecked I looked for the last post available and with the check box checked. I got varying results depending upon the length of the "last post" available. I think one thread had last viewable post as "I don't know" or something longer than one word but still short. It did not appear as the last when check the ignore short posts. Other threads with longer last post show up properly.

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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 11:16:15 AM

I was able to uncheck and see all.. I thought. I did not check to see how it affected the page history. The page history is annoyingly short for some topics ;-)
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 10:28:07 AM

I tested it and it really doesn't do much. You may not see 1 word answers but that is all it does, and once set, you can only undo the setting in a given thread by editing the URL.

It doesn't work like ignoring people who post 1 word posts. You see about 40 posts per page on a thread and can go back only 4 pages. Therefore you can see only the last 160 posts or so in a thread. If you put people on ignore, their posts don't count against the posts per page count and you can see how discussion evolved over a longer length of time. Ignoring the short posts just means that you won't see 40 posts per page. You may see only 10 or so but will still can't go further back into the discussion to see how it evolved.
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 9:06:15 AM

Works beautifully!
As indicated - sub gasbuddy for your home site in the url, log in to the Gasbuddy site and check it out.
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 9:05:18 AM

test
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 8:05:16 AM

Where is this "Ignore Short Messages"? I don't see it anywhere.
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 5:38:57 AM

(Addendum: I got an error when I tried doing the site name substitution on a forum page associated with a news item.)
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 5:27:16 AM

It probably works in all of the forums, when accessed through that site name. Looks like it could be *very* useful for reading the "comments" on the news items!
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2013 5:55:38 PM


If GB is testing this as a new feature I think it would make sense to start testing in JFF, but they put it in the GB forum where nobody goes. There isn't even a link to the forums on gasbuddy.com.

It also brings up the question of what are their parameters for considering a message to be a Short Message?
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2013 5:09:31 PM

Verrrrrrrry interesting! (He said while holding a smoking cigarette between his thumb and forefinger in the European way while peering out between the potted palm fronds.)

Excellent catch! Let's hope it is a test run before wider rollout. It does work. Now what is needed is some JFF testing to characterize its operation. Also I have also noticed other gasbuddy.com changes, all of which I will write about shortly here just to keep the chatter of the topic* police from distracting from your discovery.

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*Wait! Wait! What you found IS technically an improvement and thus suitable for this topic. Unfortunately since it has already been partially implemented, some might find wiggle room for lodging complaints. You know those jail-house lawyers. Better safe than sorry. :-)
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