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CampKohler

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 8:54:08 PM

The What Does One Barrel of Crude Oil Make? page seems to imply that the product output shown is what results when a refinery's "crank" is turned; you put this much crude in and you get that much of the following products out. However, that page appears to really report the industry's output after making its choices of what it needs to produce for the maximum profit, which is not related to a barrel or any other measure of crude.

Take for example the low amount of av gas, shown as Aviation Fuel. Av gas is really just a premium gasoline tweaked for flying. As a hydrocarbon, it is similar to Gasoline, yet there is a tremendous difference in the production numbers. I believe the difference is not between what comes out of different pipes in the same refinery from the same barrel of crude, but what the refinery chooses to make from that barrel. One day they will set up for motor fuel and another they will set up for av gas, depending on what they want to sell. So the numbers are disparate because of the choices the refiner makes and not because that's what you can get out of a barrel of crude (which is what the title of the chart implies).

To avoid implying the latter, there should be some text added explaining what is really going on. Or change the title to "What the Refining Industry Chooses to Make from a Barrel of Crude." Or am I wrong, and for every 19.3 gallons of motor fuel that comes out of Pipe A, only .04 gallons of av gas comes out of Pipe B?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 5:12:25 AM

Don,

Thanks for confirming what most of us already knew.
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Don
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 4:08:26 PM

The suggestion is appreciated however, that page is designated to show on average what various products a barrel of crude oil can produce.

There are numerous products that are petroleum based that are not included or expanded upon in the list.

If anything a title such as "What the Refining Industry Chooses to Make from a Barrel of Crude" is speculative, and if we start providing descriptions or rationales for the info we're citing such as "every 19.3 gallons of motor fuel that comes out of Pipe A, only .04 gallons of av gas comes out of Pipe B?", that's very well too much detail that will be overwhelming or can be constantly changing, or can vary by region depending on the refinery.

That page displays serves as a basic breakdown of what generally comes from a barrel of crude oil.

-Don
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 2:05:41 PM

Yeah, well, I'll be dead soon and I will have a LOT more time on my hands and THEN you'll be sorry.

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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 5:23:10 PM

All that verbiage isn't necessary. The idea is to give people an idea what comes from a barrel of crude. Me thinks CampKohler has too much time on his hands.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 4:42:14 PM

GB wrote: "This chart reflects the average annual refinery yeild from a barrel of oil, however, because of changing marketing conditions and needs by different industries and/or end users on a daily basis, the figures indicated on this chart may or may not be exact at every possible reading. Additional information on average yields, reflecting a more accurate and timely average of production from a refined barrel of oil may be found at: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_pct_dc_nus_pct_m.htm"

Perfect! A+
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 6:19:37 AM

I'm betting refineries can output numerous types of fuel at one time.

I agree with Gas Buddy. The numbers are averages and seem to be accurate.

Once again, another CampKohler topic that is a non-starter.

Nothing to see here - move along.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 10:15:37 PM

The chart merely contains what I would assume any reasonable reader would take to be approximates. The chart, in fact, isn't a Gas Buddy chart but, as clearly indicated, is information from the U.S. Energy Information Administration or EIA.

Do you really think that it's necessary to add a disclaimer that "This chart reflects the average annual refinery yeild from a barrel of oil, however, because of changing marketing conditions and needs by different industries and/or end users on a daily basis, the figures indicated on this chart may or may not be exact at every possible reading. Additional information on average yields, reflecting a more accurate and timely average of production from a refined barrel of oil may be found at: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_pct_dc_nus_pct_m.htm"

Sorry, but you can't leave simple well enough alone? The figures, at least as it seems to me, show an average. Isn't that good enough?

Or should the chart go on to further indicate that other products made from petroleum include:
Ink
Crayons
Dishwashing liquids
Deodorant
Eyeglasses
CDs and DVDs
Tires
Ammonia
Heart valves

Or should the chart be even more inclusive?

Sorry, but sometimes simple and easy to read is sufficient. At least in my opinion. But then I don't think that most Gas Buddy members are using information from this website as an exact science.
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