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CampKohler

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 8:19:52 PM

Under the Gas Prices 101 menu banner item:
1. On the Average Prices by State page, the title shown is "Show Average Prices by Metro Area."
2. On the Average Prices by Metro Area page, the title shown is "Show Average Prices by State."

And while that is being corrected, for consistency, the word show should be removed from the titles of these two pages on the grounds that every page on the site, regardless of title, is there for the purpose of showing something.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 4:28:29 AM

I'm reporting this as one of the "little fixes". Also, I'll repeat the problem summary here, to make it easier to the mods to find in this thread.

When you're on the *page* showing the listings by state, there's a *link* for "Show Average Prices by Metro Area" -- i.e., to bring up the opposite page -- and it seems that the link's description was inappropriately copied to the headline of the wrapper box. If a headline is needed there at all, it should probably be copied from the page title instead.
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 2:56:26 PM

Oddly, this bug was originally posted in the correct forum. It only got moved because someone with a chip on their shoulder complained.

If those with an obvious beef with the OP ever shut up, this thread would be well on its way to being buried.
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 5:11:07 AM

kwzh,

No anger. Just tired of topics that have no legs and in the wrong category.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:17:27 AM

More evidence.

scoutmaster, consider checking out some anger management techniques.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 2:40:19 PM

So this is in the wrong category.

Moderators, please move this topic to the JFF category with all the other pointless topics.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 1:44:34 PM

SM: And as I have stated, it is not a improvement suggestion, but a bug report. And as for "more important items," GIDDYUP!
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 6:08:00 AM

Is it a bug or just bad titling or nothing to really care about? I vote for the later.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 2:50:39 AM

Though as I pointed out, the strange wording and the swapped titles are actually two manifestations of the same bug, in this case.
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 4:17:13 PM

Well, CK, there are many more important items that need fixed on this site. Titles and others like this are not one of them. This suggestion should still be on your wiki because you stated at one point it's not your call if the suggestion is good or bad.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 3:46:32 PM

I now see your point. My answer is that the wording suggestion was incidental to the bug report (as was indicated by my phrase, "And while that is being corrected...."). Had it not been for the report, I would not have made the suggestion to reword the titles.

There are myriad inconsistencies on the GB site when it comes to names and titles, leading to user confusion*. For example, subdivisions of non-state sites are called areas in one place and cities in other places. Another example was the recent report on the Show Average Prices By Metro Area/Show Average Prices By State pages having the first word of the title "show," when no other pages of the site do so. I have made suggestions to clear up at least one of these kinds of errors in the past, but no joy, so I don't bother any more UNLESS it is incidental, as it was in this topic. I hope that clears that up for you.

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*One would think that it would be elementary to make a glossary of names and terms first and then conform the pages of the sites to it. But there appears no interest and things remain higgledy-piggledy. (I got a D in Mrs. Binghamton's 10th grade English class, but evidently some residual sensitivity in this area remains after all these decades.)

[Edited by: CampKohler at 4/2/2013 3:47:11 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 5:12:48 AM

So changing the banner you suggested wouldn't be permanent? Why?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 7:05:30 PM

If I understand your question, it is exactly because this bug wouldn't be permanent if fixed that it was originally posted in the Talk Back to Us category. If I don't understand your question, then I don't understand your question.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 8:11:54 AM

This wouldn't be a permanent CampKohler? Why?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 4:25:09 PM

kwzh: No bugs, which if they were fixed, would make them temporary, whereas suggestions for improvements are permanent (taking in to account the rate of implementation).
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:23:54 AM

If it wasn't for all the bleating from people who obviously have a vendetta against the OP, this thread would already be buried.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:07:18 AM

Yes those are requests for new features, kwzh. Requests for new features to FIX something.

At one point, CampKohler stated all suggestions would be added to his wiki and it's not up to him to determine the worthiness of a suggestion. Looks like that has changed.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 3:34:53 AM

SM: No, those are requests for new features.

CK: I thought the STL was intended to index bug reports, too. But, it's your call.
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 8:47:24 PM

There is a fine line at times between anomalies (bugs/defects) and enhancements/improvements....
I always like the idea of leaving the cosmetic issues to the bottom of the pack and try and slip them in when making a significant defect or enhancement code change.
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 6:23:11 AM

Aren't a lot of the stuff already on your list repairs? Isn't syncing the MSL with the grades one is able to post a repair? Isn't adding a check box for "Members Only" a repair?

Me thinks the reason this isn't on the list is because it is a non-starter.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 1:54:35 PM

The reason this is not in the STL is that, as stated below, this is a repair and NOT an improvement and was only moved to this topic because... because... oh, someone help me out here...
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 7:06:21 AM

Yep,as it is cosmetic and no one has noticed or at least complained until now, it should be just in a bin until someone is touching that part of the code. It should not detract from programming time for more critical things as a stand alone item.
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 5:12:33 AM

Considering this suggestion is purely cosmetic, it could be included with when another major suggestion is being implemented. But there is no need to make extra time to do this as a standalone suggestion. The impact is zero.
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:48:20 AM

Also, a proper prioritization of requests should account for *both* the benefit provided *and* the time required to implement it. So, "not very important" can be countered with "not very difficult". (If something is more important *and* easier to implement, then that should be done first; if only one of the two is true, then the developers will have to take a closer look before ranking them.)
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 3:42:54 PM

And yet, this has not been added to CK's wiki! Hmmmm.....
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 2:33:07 PM

kwzh: My thought exactly. How could someone even imagine that those titles lie in a single file EXACTLY as they appear on the page, requiring only a few keystrokes to change them.

Philosophy 101: As an aside observation, it has been made painfully clear over the last couple of years that the main and continuing objection to fixing site problems, even the teensy-weensiest ones that would take no more that 30 seconds*, is that NOTHING should be fixed unless it is presently on fire or likely to explode. And then, should any changes actually be made, it should always result in more inconvenience than was exhibited by the original problem**. There's nothing like experience to make one cynical***.

Finally, I don't think that whether a given suggestion should be of a higher or lower priority than other suggestions has any place in this topic, because, logically, one can ALWAYS poo-poo ALL suggestions (except the single, highest priority one, of course) for not being deserving. Thus it is a universal complaint that can be lodged against all but one suggestion (which will never be named so as not to rule out even that one from criticism). Since there are those members who chief joy in life is lodging complaints, it is ready-made ammo, requiring no original thought whatsoever; if you don't like something, just trot out that it isn't a high enough priority over other suggestions. Such a lazy and vapid response requires a canned reply that can be trotted out with an equal lack of effort. From now on, when someone trots out, "other things should be done first," let's just trot out, "Giddyup!" and we will know what it means. After all, the title of this category is "Suggest a GasBuddy improvment," not "Suggest a GasBuddy improvement that is more important than every suggestion that has ever gone before and, by it's very posting, implies that it should be implemented IMMEDIATELY to the detriment of all other suggestions which are hereby to be considered dog poop stuck to the bottom of one's shoe."

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*Like this one.
** Like the recent "fix" to the FSL.
*** To paraphrase that old saw about New York, "If you can stand it at GasBuddy, you can stand it anywhere." :-)
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 5:11:23 AM

Having built a site or two in my time, I understand what is necessary to correct this non-important item, bytebug. I just do think this idea has any legs. And considering all the other more important issues, this one should be at the bottom of the list.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 1:09:20 AM

So, edit the file that manages the content, then.
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 11:15:19 PM

>> Actually bytebug, in this case it is that easy, just not necessary.

Actually, Scoutmaster, speaking from the perspective of having implemented and maintained websites for longer than this site has been around, it really is likely not to be as easy as a static edit of a particular file or two, given the assumption that in order to serve the dozens of different site variations, these pages are generated on the fly by a content management system.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 3:11:38 PM

Rich, you "the glass-is-99%-empty" fellow. Just take a look at the STL subjects that have + signs in front of them to see all the miraculous progress that has been made. :-)
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 10:45:36 AM

Who actually believes that there will ever be ANY changes here? It doesn't matter how insignificant the modification, all suggestions are simply archived in this forum application without any evidence of real concern or action by the powers that be.

Even the members who routinely advance the notion of the careful and cautious "development team" fairy tale have ceased their brown-nosing in this regard. Face it, no changes are forthcoming unless the new owners decide that this site is worth the investment of time and money.

The odds of this ever happening probably worsen if they actually bother to read the offerings here.

RG

[Edited by: RichWLIN at 3/24/2013 10:47:15 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 9:14:18 AM

SH "This probably takes less effort to fix than the amount of effort that has been expended beating on or baiting the OP. "

That may be true, but the folks that have the control to say fix it, and the ones that can access the code to fix it haven't been in the thread. I also think the OP is bringing on a lot of the "beating on or baiting" himself.
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 8:16:00 AM

This probably takes less effort to fix than the amount of effort that has been expended beating on or baiting the OP.
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 6:21:11 AM

Maybe the reason you didn't care kwzh is because it's not really important.

Actually bytebug, in this case it is that easy, just not necessary.
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 12:26:53 AM

scoutmaster writes,
> If CampKohler didn't bring this up, I don't think anyone would care.

You sure spend a lot of time commenting on things that you don't care about. I think most people just ignore such things.

I didn't care until he brought it up, but that was only because I hadn't seen it myself; if I had, then I would have reported it, too. I'll add this to my list of easy micro-improvements, shortly.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 11:53:48 PM

>> Even if you had zero HTML experience, the newest of newbies could search for the
>> text and retype it in 15 seconds if he new where the page was on the server(s).

Maybe if you actually had any real world experience maintaining websites you'd realize that it often isn't nearly that easy (and having a dictionary and a grade school knowledge of English grammar would also go a long way).
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 8:36:33 PM

Yep GGG, you are right - it is a cosmetic fix when working in that area of the code. Not a significant bug/anomaly nor an enhancement. There is a known workaround (ignoring the wrong title) and we haven't seen many folks mentioning that it confused them or stopped them from using the site in a meaningful way.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 7:45:28 PM


This is one of those 'add it to the to-do list' for the next time a site programmer is making updates, similar to someone finding a misspelled word.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 2:24:44 PM

This is in the "Who Care's" category as far as I'm concerned. It's about as important as consecutive days and the app awards.

And I'm still wondering why CampKohler is not adding this to his wiki????? I thought all suggestions, regardless of merit, were added to the wiki????

Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 2:19:39 PM

It doesn't add revenue.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 2:05:42 PM

This is probably the least brainpower-required change in the history of the site. Even if you had zero HTML experience, the newest of newbies could search for the text and retype it in 15 seconds if he new where the page was on the server(s).

Easy peasy lemon squeezy and Bob's your uncle.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 10:57:13 AM

I don' see this as important. If CampKohler didn't bring this up, I don't think anyone would care.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 8:32:02 AM

I think kwzh is right - the wording is because it takes it from the link. Good catch kwzh.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 5:19:48 AM

I see what's going on. When you're on the *page* showing the listings by state, there's a *link* for "Show Average Prices by Metro Area" -- i.e., to bring up the opposite page -- and it seems that the link's description was inappropriately copied to the headline of the wrapper box. If a headline is needed there at all, it should probably be copied from the page title instead.

I now think that both halves of this report are describing a single bug, rather than one bug and one wording improvement.
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 8:19:15 AM

CK,

Have you added this to your wiki? If not, why?

As I said before, this is a non-starter.
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 7:37:17 AM

Actually, there is the bug and then there is the suggestion.
The bug is that the wrong title shows.
The enhancement is the "improved" wording once the titles are placed on the right pages. So, I agree - the talk back to us and the suggest an improvement have a lot of overlap.
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 6:12:44 AM

"I did not state that show was incorrect, but that it was not consistent with other pages."

"And while that is being corrected, for consistency, the word show should be removed......"

If it is being corrected, it is incorrect.

I don't think this is a bug. I think CampKohler doesn't like the wording and it kind of amazes me he just noticed this. I think it's a non-starter. There are way more important things that need to be fixed than this.

In other words, nothing to see here - move along.
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 3:14:46 AM

Another example of why Suggest A GasBuddy Improvement and Talk Back To Us should be merged.
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 2:04:33 AM

CampKohler is right; bytebug's abuse report was in error. Bug reports have traditionally gone in Talk Back, not Improvement.

I'm not sure what to make of scoutmaster's post, other than to exhibit that he doesn't like CampKohler, which I'm sure we already knew. Judging from the second line, it would seem that scoutmaster already knew of this bug, but decided for some reason that the site is better off with it not being reported.
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2013 3:51:36 PM

SM: FYI, whenever anyone asks "really?" The answer is invariably, YES!

I did not state that show was incorrect, but that it was not consistent with other pages. If show is good for the two pages in question, then, logically, it should be added to all other site pages, e.g. "Show Total US Fuel Taxes by State," "Show USA Tax Map," "Show What Does One Barrel Of Crude Oil Make?" and so forth, ad nauseam, which obviously would be silly.

BB: This topic is now in the WRONG category, having originally been posted in the correct category. In the main, it is not a "suggestion for an improvement," but "bringing something to GB's attention." Repairs and corrections are not improvements per se, but restoration to proper operation. The titles in question are wrong, and if corrected, will be performing as they were intended to perform without any improvement ever have being needed or suggested; in short it was not a "new feature request."

Or do you think the phrase "bring something to our attention" should be removed from that category subtitle and instead tacked on to the "Suggest a GasBuddy improvement" subtitle?

If you guys are going to play Philadelphia lawyer at every turn, you should do your homework before embarrassing yourselves by showing up in court without being properly prepared. :-)

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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2013 7:05:05 AM

Really????

You just noticed this CampKohler? Thanks for adding another useless topic to the forums.

How is "Show" incorrect?

And does it matter?



[Edited by: scoutmaster at 3/21/2013 7:06:44 AM EST]
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