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jim27106

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 2:25:40 AM

Could the gas prices 101 screen (http://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/Prices_Nationally.aspx?d=metro) also show the state taxes. And if it showed price - taxes we could easily see where the actual gas is cheapest. I suspect that we would see that Virginia retailers are making more money than North Carolina retailers.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 7:30:24 AM

While I agree that not all suggestions should be necessarily dismissed because some think it is not worthy, throwing everything on your wiki weighs it down with so much debris as to be laughable.

Even if the OPs suggestion could be put in place, the site is about finding the best price for gas when filling your gas tank. I care about the price I pay which DOES include the taxes (from all taxing authorities) and the tax charts give the tax info needed when discussing your tax rate with your elected officials. There is a lot more to the price of gas than the price of fuel and the taxes.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 3/22/2013 7:33:53 AM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 6:14:50 AM

How does one sensor a suggestion?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2013 4:12:36 PM

GB: Yes, you are correct that "Just because something's suggested doesn't mean it's viable." However, determining that a suggestion is viable is a judgment. No member should be in a position of rendering that judgment on another; it should be enough that you are free to state your opinion about any particular suggestion in the comments. Beyond that, you or me or no one else should sensor which suggestion is have a link to it and which is to be dismissed out of hand. If a suggestion is made, there is no need to "see if it sticks;" it will stick EVERY TIME.

The above philosophy has been expressed many times before and one would think that two or three times would be sufficient get the point across, but if it needs to be restated on a regular basis for the foreseeable future so that nobody gets the idea that "the suggestion police" are running amuck, I am up to the task. Yowza!
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2013 7:02:57 AM

And that wall doesn't have much stuck to it.

I don't see the point of this suggestion. More goes into the retail price than taxes so CampKohler's example is misleading and incorrect.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 9:07:15 PM

G_B "I can't see how you can add this to your list without knowing what specifically he wants, let alone if it's a realistic suggestion. (Just because something's suggested doesn't mean it's viable.)"

You know he just throws everything against the wall to see if it sticks.
And, of course there is no way they could keep up with all the local option taxes. They do a pretty good job of addressing that in the comments.

There is no way they could show a column with average price and Fuel Portion of price. First, what constitutes fuel portion (price without taxes, or cost of the fuel?), second, the "non-fuel" price varies from city to town to county, etc. I see no reason for this type of chart even if they reasonably could provide the information. It would be NON-informative due to the variables that would go into such calculation (price, tax variation, number of stations in each taxing district, etc.)

There already is a tab with the tax information.


[Edited by: TxJeans at 3/20/2013 9:08:00 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 8:39:09 PM

CampKohler:
The Gas Price Heat Map already shows relatively close price ranges for local areas.
I have no idea what "he seems to be asking" other than what state taxes are. If what he wants is the price of gas minus the state taxes (or minus state and Federal taxes), it's a simple deduction. But, to me, he seems to be asking something different than what you think he seems to be asking; I think he's asking which retailers, Virginia or North Carolina (in his example) make more money, something that can't be determined without knowing operating costs including wholesale prices and mark-ups, and even knowing that, stations will vary from as little as block to block, or even store to store.

I can't see how you can add this to your list without knowing what specifically he wants, let alone if it's a realistic suggestion. (Just because something's suggested doesn't mean it's viable.)
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 7:41:52 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject.

It seems what he is asking is for is to modify the Average Gas Prices by State chart by adding a column that would show the price of the gasoline itself (retail price minus the tax) like this.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 1:39:27 PM

Unless I misunderstand the chart referred to in the original post, the gas taxes listed are the state fuel taxes, which are in addition to the 18.4 cents per gallon Federal tax.

For example, for North Carolina, the fuel tax is 37.5 cents per gallon (on both gasoline and diesel) plus a 0.25 cents per gallon inspection tax, and an 18.4 cents per gallon Federal tax, for a total of 56.15 cents taxes per gallon.

The wording on the chart referenced in the original post, "Total US Fuel Taxes by State" refers to the taxes by the individual states (the chart is limited to U.S. taxes, and not taxes charged by the Canadian government nor the individual provinces).

It seems the suggestion is already in place.

As for seeing ("suspect" was the word used) that Virginia retailers are making more money than North Carolina retailers, that may or may not be true, but local taxes aren't the sole determining factors in return on investment or profitability; having a state "tax chart" (already in place) doesn't say anything about what the retailers are paying wholesale, nor is it saying anything about operating expenses, such a rents and/or non-fuel taxes, among other expenses.

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 2:50:59 AM

Virginia gas taxes vary because some areas have extra taxes. In Northern Virginia, the taxes are higher to support the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority or Metro system.
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