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Jayburt

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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 2:33:09 PM

Just today I swore I put in a price for one station but it showed up in another's spot,went to fix it and it doesn't let you remove,should be an option.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 2:19:03 PM

I dunno TxJeans. There might be an influx of cash and that could mean more development money.

I agree TxJeans. We were disagreeing but neither of us reverted to name calling or telling each other our idea is stupid.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 10:02:31 AM

Sigh....
But, I guess any changes are not likely to come for a while now that OPIS bought Gas Buddy -- it will take time to sort out new priorities.
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 9:11:33 PM

Just a suggestion because it seems the moderators have closed topics for less "getting on each others' "noives"." I would hate to see the moderators decide, rightly or wrongly, that there's unnecessary pushing and shoving of opinions and posts over what should be a generally non-controversial suggestion. Feel free, however, to suggest the moderators remove my "suggestion" if you think it's too demanding, inappropriate, or uncalled for.

[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 3/2/2013 9:12:27 PM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 8:22:18 PM

Scoutmaster - I was going to ask the same thing.
We may be going back and forth and not agreeing, but I don't think either of us was not being "civil" about our disagreement. Maybe wearing on a few "noives"....but not uncivil.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 5:52:31 PM

Who's not being civil?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 5:40:48 PM

A correction to my post below (because of words missing and being unable to edit the post):

As this topic has progressed, I'm reminded of the time the sportswriter Stan Isaacs was in Cincinnati to cover a Reds-Phillies game and was in the press box flanked by Stan Hochman of the Philadelphia Daily News and Jimmy Cannon of the NY Journal American. Nearby was Joe King of the NY World Telegram who was one of the first reporters to specialize in covering pro football. King had just come from a swing around the pro football summer training camps. King was all aglow with enthusiasm about some of the football prospects he had seen and waxed eloquent about them. Cannon grew irritated with the football talk and finally slammed his fist down on the press box counter, barking, “Baseball gentlemen, baseball.”

In this case, I say anew, it's "Civility, gentlemen, civility."

Either this issue can and should be discussed without complaints about hostage holding, or comments about deleting the posts of others, or the moderators will, as they've done with other threads, close this topic.

Better to have "Civility, gentlemen, civility", and tempered discussion, than to have the topic closed. In my opinion.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 6:51:28 AM

This is just ridiculous. The discussion is still held hostage by an absurd assertion (my last comments striken with admonishment aside).

When is $0.00 a valid price? A price of zero has never and will never be a valid price input. If you enter zero, you most certainly are aware that this is NOT the price of gas; this is an unequivocal fact. Purposely making the price(s) blank surely won't help other folks in the area to find the cheapest gas.

Reverting to the last known price point before an input mistake was made is the most accurate and sensible way to correct an accidental error.

This is a good suggestion.

RG

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 5:10:44 AM

Nope TxJeans I'm assuming most of the prices on the board are good.

Looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. While and UNDO button might work in some cases, it might repost a price that was valid when it was posted but is no longer valid now.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 11:10:36 PM

SM"So Byte Doc, having bad prices is OK as long as their is a price posted?"

You are apparently assuming most prices are BAD, whereas the rest of us are assuming most of the prices are good. So, in that case, you don't need Gasbuddy, because the only prices you would consider good are the ones you post. You don't need to post to know your own prices sightings.

SM "My logic is not flawed. If you revert a price to a previously posted price, you could be reverting to a NOW incorrect price. How is that a good thing? "

Again - you "could be" --- There are a lot of could be's in the world, but I will risk an occasional "could be" slipping through to keep the from wiping out valid postings that have not yet timed out.

So, Jayburt doesn't know if the price he accidently over-wrote is incorrect or correct -- in most chances it was a correct price when posted and has not been timed out and updated*. He just wants to UNDO to put it back to the state before he fat fingered it seconds previously. Why are you insisting that he KNOWS it is incorrect and is WANTING to put back an incorrect price.

* So just how long does a price need to "age" before you consider it an "incorrect" price? What rules do you want added to validate the existing prices to see if they are incorrect? Because, the UNDO was just putting the price back to what it was just seconds before the fat finger change, not to some old moldy price from who knows when.

I don't think anyone here has suggested putting back a KNOWN incorrect price.
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 7:57:00 AM

So Byte Doc, having bad prices is OK as long as their is a price posted?

My logic is not flawed. If you revert a price to a previously posted price, you could be reverting to a NOW incorrect price. How is that a good thing?
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 7:14:46 AM

TxJeans wrote: "Using your logic"

I'm thankful that when I was in the scouts that our leadership was capable of critical, logical thinking and embraced new ideas and ways of accomplishing things. Sadly it seems that is no longer the case.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 6:29:17 AM

TxJeans allowed: "I think we have the source of SM confusion."

Not unless you're a Psychiatrist with a crystal ball.

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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 6:13:07 AM

"The chance that the price now showing after the UNDO is wrong, is the same chance that it was wrong as it would be if Jayburt had NEVER MESSED it up in the first place."

Yup and neither is good.

"Using your logic, when I post, and price I see on the board that I can't validate as current to the moment is therefore invalid and should be deleted."

What I have stated is if you know a price is incorrect and you don't know the correct price, zero it out. Your statement is claiming if I can't validate a price on the board it should be deleted. I have never stated on implied this.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 9:54:55 PM

mmartin -- I have made the point that how easy/hard to do the undo is dependent on how they update/track the updates.

Scoutmaster "If Jayburt (no offense Jayburt but you brought it up) entered an incorrect price and I don't know the correct price, I would delete it and recommend the same for all members."

I think we have the source of SM confusion.

If Jayburt entered the wrong price and left it, and you came along and you know it is the wrong price you would zero it out. That is CORRECT.

BUT that is NOT what we were talking about.

We are talking about Jayburt entering a price "X" that he saw for Station B in the field for Station A. He hits submit and sees the price come up for Station A. Since Station A is across town and he does not know the price, he wants to do no harm. That is, he would like to "undo" his entry and leave it as it was just seconds before he MESSED IT UP. It would go back to what it was with the same EXPIRY time. It would be as if Jayburt NEVER messed it up.

The chance that the price now showing after the UNDO is wrong, is the same chance that it was wrong as it would be if Jayburt had NEVER MESSED it up in the first place.

Using your logic, when I post, and price I see on the board that I can't validate as current to the moment is therefore invalid and should be deleted. I would rather a rare aberrant result hang around until it expires than removing valid prices before their expiry.

If I know the normal trending for the stations in the area and look at prices newer and older than Station A, I might be able to take a good stab at what Station A might be at now. I would not post it, until I fill up and see it, but it might give me a clue if I want to take route 1 or route 2 based on the various prices and their time stamps.
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 11:08:23 AM

Given that there is no feature to "undo," I would agree that one should zero out the price. I'll give Scout that.

That said, an undo is clearly a good feature request and should be considered against other feature requests.

It may be difficult to implement an undo based on how they implemented the update process. So, if I were running their dev shop, I'd put it at the top if it were easy, otherwise put the zero out option at top and do that for now.

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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 7:49:51 AM

"How can it be considered "bad data" if it was OK before a price was mistakenly posted over it?"

It can be "bad data" because it is no longer correct. The price could have changed. Unless you know the previous price was correct, you would be reverting to an incorrect price. Actually, if you know the correct price all you have to do is post it.

Yes zeroing out a good price is bad. I have never suggested zeroing out a good price.

The best approach, unless you know the correct price, is to zero out the bad price.
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 7:19:34 AM

How can it be considered "bad data" if it was OK before a price was mistakenly posted over it? If you don't know that the previous price is bad, the best approach is to leave it alone. How hard is that to understand? Zeroing out a good price is bad. Leaving a price in place that was mistakenly posted over a previous price is bad. The best approach is to put it back the way that it was before you made the mistake.

[Edited by: Byte_Doctor at 2/27/2013 7:20:25 AM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 7:12:20 AM

Looks like we're in for another topic hijacking and lengthy inverted logic discussion. Good luck.
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 6:34:39 AM

I deal with data on a daily basis mmartin1988.

Undoing the change and reverting to the old value could be reverting to a now incorrect price. Not good. Bad data.

"The logic that you don't know if the old price is valid, which you don't, is irrelevant."

It is relevant. If the old price is no longer valid (bad data) and you don't know the correct price (good data) then the best method is to zero the price out (no data).

"Frankly, you don't know if the old price is accurate as soon as the station is out of view."

True

"So, if you were to apply Scoutmaster's data governance argument consistently, you have price stick around for about a minute; because they could have changed."

My point is reverting a price to another price that you don't know to be accurate is not good. If you know the correct price then by all means enter it. If you don't zero it out.

Better to report nothing than bad data. Bad data is never good.

Rip snorting ain't it!
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mmartin1988
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 1:04:33 AM

We'll it's clear that scoutmaster hasn't handled data before.

1.) you define a data governance policy
a.) GB has decided to keep prices with dates then delete them after some time period (seems like 3 days)
2.) You use the governance to make decisions like that.

Then, the right way to undo the change an display the old value with the old time stamp until it's updated.

The logic that you don't know if the old price is valid, which you don't, is irrelevant. Frankly, you don't know if the old price is accurate as soon as the station is out of view. So, if you were to apply Scoutmaster's data governance argument consistently, you have price stick around for about a minute; because they could have changed.

Funny stuff to read though.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:25:18 PM

"If Jayburt messed up station A and doesn't have a current visual to be able to post a new updated for station A, leaving it as he found it was best."

Not if the price is incorrect. If you don't know the correct price, the best thing to do is zero out the price.

"Just because the price is X hours old, with X time stamp doesn't make it incorrect. And, it might be helpful to know that the price was X rather than ZERO 5 hours ago. You are deleting valid data that would remain until outdating by making mistakes zero out."

True age doesn't always make a price incorrect. But if the price has changed, knowing what is was is not beneficial. If you don't know the correct price you don't know that reverting it to a prior price is correct. The best thing to do, providing you don't know the correct price, is to zero the bad price.

If Jayburt (no offense Jayburt but you brought it up) entered an incorrect price and I don't know the correct price, I would delete it and recommend the same for all members.



[Edited by: scoutmaster at 2/26/2013 9:30:38 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:23:32 PM

"I think we should periodically visit the Pittsburgh site and zero out any prices that scoutmaster has posted, because we don't know for sure that they're correct."

Do that and I will report each and every one. I visually see each and every price I post.

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 2/26/2013 9:24:00 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:14:59 PM

"I think we should periodically visit the Pittsburgh site and zero out any prices that scoutmaster has posted, because we don't know for sure that they're correct."

+1

It's the only sure way to make sure the prices aren't invalid after all.

[Edited by: Byte_Doctor at 2/26/2013 9:15:16 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:02:00 PM

"Yes there is a difference and if the OUTDATED price is no longer valid, reverting back to it accomplishes nothing. The system doesn't know if the OUTDATED price is valid. Therefore, the only foolproof way to get rid of a bad price when the correct price is not known is to zero it out. Obviously, if you know the correct price, enter it."

If Jayburt messed up station A and doesn't have a current visual to be able to post a new updated for station A, leaving it as he found it was best.
Just because the price is X hours old, with X time stamp doesn't make it incorrect. And, it might be helpful to know that the price was X rather than ZERO 5 hours ago. You are deleting valid data that would remain until outdating by making mistakes zero out.

Personally, I would rather have a few old prices with their time stamps than to lose a few really fresh prices to the fast fingered mistake of Jayburt. (sorry Jayburt to use you as the example).

That said, at least allow the zeroing by the APP (with no credit for zero'ing)....
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 7:46:33 PM

I think we should periodically visit the Pittsburgh site and zero out any prices that scoutmaster has posted, because we don't know for sure that they're correct.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 2:19:59 PM


RichWLIN:

"...if given a choice, I think I'd much rather that the app was capable of zeroing out prices since this would make fixing Sam's Club midgrade, bogus diesel prices and other non-existent fuel price posts much more efficient."

While I agree that would be a good option, the problem that I see is that, considering how many people use the app strictly to post for points (call it mischievous behavior if you will), especially if a member will earn points for zeroing out a price (and you know that members will ask for that, saying that keeps prices accurate and they shouldn't be expected to do so without a reward of some kind), the members that post prices "just for fun...or points...or awards", will have a field day simply zeroing out prices.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 8:09:41 AM

Personally, I like the "undo" feature concept that simply replaces the previous price(s). Returning to the previous state expeditiously is the most accurate representation of the station's prices where the error took place while zeroing won't assist the other customers who may be looking for the cheapest gas or checking his/her Fav list before purchasing fuel that day. This is just common sense.

However, if given a choice, I think I'd much rather that the app was capable of zeroing out prices since this would make fixing Sam's Club midgrade, bogus diesel prices and other non-existent fuel price posts much more efficient. The ability to nullify errant input would serve to kill two birds with one stone.

It seems that the only programming changes are happening with the app. We probably need to lobby for support of app improvements and enhancements that don't rely on use of the web site where changes have not been forthcoming.

RG

[Edited by: RichWLIN at 2/26/2013 8:13:17 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 7:51:28 AM

"There is a difference between an INCORRECT price and a OUTDATED price that no one has yet updated and that has not aged off."

Yes there is a difference and if the OUTDATED price is no longer valid, reverting back to it accomplishes nothing. The system doesn't know if the OUTDATED price is valid. Therefore, the only foolproof way to get rid of a bad price when the correct price is not known is to zero it out. Obviously, if you know the correct price, enter it.

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 2/26/2013 7:51:49 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 7:01:37 AM

"If a price is bad"

That is our point.

The price that was bad was just entered possibly over-writing valid prices. The person knows they inputed a bad price by entering value in station B instead of station A. The person has a very short window to UNDO -- not all day. The person hits undo, and the system leaves it at the previous price that has NOT timed out with the SAME time stamp for aging off. It will age off as if Jayburt never touched it.

The chances of Jayburt over-writing a bad price vs the last known GOOD price is small unless you feel that the majority of prices are INCORRECT. There is a difference between an INCORRECT price and a OUTDATED price that no one has yet updated and that has not aged off.

Now, if you are stating that the aging time stamp is too long before the system should zero out the price for your area, that is a different suggestion different thread.

* I would rather know that station A had price X 10 hours ago or 5 minutes ago than a zero when knowing the normal age off in the area is 24 hours. If I see a zero, I have no clue that the price might be based on what the other stations are doing. I would hate to miss that GOOD price that was 5 minutes old when Jayburt fast fingered it and then had to ZERO it out rather than have it just UNDO.

** that said, if the APP can't do either, the APP at least needs to be able to zero out. That doesn't mean the "UNDO" concept is bad, just that it won't be likely programmed as it isn't a game, and will never be seen on the FULL website.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 2/26/2013 7:06:35 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 5:11:09 AM

"No, you are wrong. GB has set up specific times that a price is considered stale within each region based on day of week. So by GB's standard, it is better to leave a price up until that time expires rather than zeroing it out."

If a price is bad, it should be zeroed as soon as possible.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:52:18 PM

"More support to just zero out a bad price instead of possibly replacing it with another bad price."

No, you are wrong. GB has set up specific times that a price is considered stale within each region based on day of week. So by GB's standard, it is better to leave a price up until that time expires rather than zeroing it out.

So, if there were a way to revert an inadvertently posted price to what was there before, that would be preferable to zeroing it out.

[Edited by: Byte_Doctor at 2/25/2013 10:53:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:51:22 PM

Yes you can bear7167.

"Now, maybe you have a means of determining which prices are valid and which aren't valid, but I don't know how the system can do that if the POSTER doesn't know the correct value -- in which case they could just immediately over-write their bad value with the correct value."

More support to just zero out a bad price instead of possibly replacing it with another bad price.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 7:21:27 PM

"There are times when two hour old prices are no longer valid and there are times when three day old prices are valid. There is no hard and fast rule which is why the best way to remove bad prices when you don't know the good price is to zero them out. "

Exactly the point. If the person didn't make a posting error, the price listed would exist until it times out or is replaced with a more current sighting and posting by a member. All the suggestion was going to do is maintain the status quo of the value prior to their fast fingered mistake.

Now, maybe you have a means of determining which prices are valid and which aren't valid, but I don't know how the system can do that if the POSTER doesn't know the correct value -- in which case they could just immediately over-write their bad value with the correct value.

Assuming that they are all bad because some might be is just throwing out the baby with the bath water.

I would be rather upset to see prices 1 hour old thrown out because it MIGHT be bad in an area where the station might be updated only 1x per day.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 7:54:18 AM

Addressing the fool in foolproof, this argument could be resolved by simply modifying the suggestion as follows:

Add an "undo last" button for use when a member accidentally enters a price or prices that are incorrect. Selecting "undo last" zeroes out the errant post leaving it blank until the next report is made.

Of course, if we could just zero out prices from within the app then this and other problems like bogus diesel reports where none is available could be handled very efficiently.

RG
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 7:47:20 AM

If you make a mistake cant you just re enter the correct info then it would be up to date
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 7:45:11 AM

There are times when two hour old prices are no longer valid and there are times when three day old prices are valid. There is no hard and fast rule which is why the best way to remove bad prices when you don't know the good price is to zero them out.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 7:33:24 AM

Then how long should prices be kept before the price is too old and might be outdated? If nobody made a mistake, that price would remain on the boards with it's time stamp so folks can see that the LAST price entered was X at Y hours ago until it's expiry period according to the particular expiry settings for the particular site. Using a certain poster's reasoning, all prices are suspect.From the faqs:
"2. Maybe it expired naturally. Prices are only kept on the board for a certain number of hours (the exact number depending on your location, and also depending on whether you're looking on a weekday or on the weekend)."

Why not let the undo leave the previous price to expire naturally - if expired it would be empty and there would be nothing to zero out. If not expired, it is as valid as any other price with that same time stamp.

If you object to any prices over a set time that do not currently expire, that is a different suggestion to change the expiry time.

Now, if the APP doesn't show time stamps, that is a different problem that again there only seem to be APP programmers and they should address.

The above is for both APP and Website, for the APP at least add the zeroing out that the website has...

[Edited by: TxJeans at 2/25/2013 7:36:02 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 7:01:45 AM

TxJeans,

This should be considered an enhancement to the mobile app. It currently isn't possible to zero out prices posted in error from the app without using the full site. Again, opening a browser, navigating to the station with the errant post requires multiple keystrokes and is probably asking too much of the neo buddies reporting prices while under way.

Good suggestion for the app Jayburt. Keep'em coming.

By now, we should all realize that the app is where new development is taking place. Inasmuch as requests, suggestions and lengthy discussions involving thoughtful modification of the full web site have been largely ignored for years on end, suggestions involving practical enhancements to the app seem in order. Arguments for features that require use of the web site are unrealistic.

RG
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 6:43:25 AM

Crap! Typo on my last post! Pre-coffee! Should read

If the price reverted to is 19 hours old there is a good chance it is no longer valid.

The only foolproof way to get rid of bad prices is to zero them out.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 5:10:48 AM

It the price reverted to is 19 hours old there is a good chance it is no longer valid.

The only foolproof way to get rid of bad prices is to zero them out.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 12:26:02 AM

SM you are missing the point.

The price is being returned to what it was at the time of the error - undo would only be good for a few minutes. The TIME stamp of the post would remain what it was before the error and age off. It would be no different than any other post on the board.

Again, forget the revert and think of undo. It would be no different than if the price was posted 19 hours ago and has changed but no one updated it. It would have the time stamp to show the price was 19 hours old (or 24 hours old, or 5 hours old or what ever it was). If you are saying a price might have changed, then all prices are suspect because they could change right after being posted.

Again...

Station A posted 20 hours ago at X price and station B posted 10 hours ago at Y price. Jayburt sees Station B now at Z price, but accidentally posts it for station A. He recognizes the error almost immediately (time lapse for corrections would be set short time). Jayburt click undo and then correctly enters for Station B and Station A reverts back to what it was when the mistake was made.

Okay - we need to add one more rule to the rule based system that would, in the odd chance that in that few minutes someone else had updated Station A, that if there was a price posted between the wrongly entered price by Jayburt and Jayburt clicking undo, it would accept the newer price by the other user. This, it would seem to be extremely rare, but maybe that would satisfy Scoutmaster since he is so concerned that this odd coincidence might happen during the undo.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 11:18:45 PM

I report prices at a Speedway station in close proximity to another, and on occasion they appear very near each other on the list in the app. I have several times accidentally entered prices for the wrong station. Obviously if I didn't see the prices that I errantly posted and couldn't reproduce them, it would be useful if I could simply hit an "undo last" button that would replace the previous prices.

Assuming that the prices I had just errantly overwritten were also incorrect because of a possible time lapse seems like a stretch of the imagination.

This should be considered a suggestion for the mobile app. It currently isn't possible to zero out prices posted in error with the app. Opening a browser window and numerous keystrokes are required to undo an errant post this way. Given the propensity of app users posting prices on the run, it seems highly unlikely that zeroing out posts made accidentally will occur (even if the app user is familiar with the full web site).

Nothing foolproof in this argument. No point in explaining it further TxJeans. Those that have always done things a certain way here prefer to defeat new ideas and typically argue vehemently to keep things just the way they are; common sense aside.

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 9:57:28 PM

You are missing my point TxJeans. Reverting a price to price previously posted could be reverting it to a prices posted 24 hours ago that has since changed and is no longer correct. Incorrect prices are worse than no price at all.

The only foolproof way to get rid of bad prices is to zero them out.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 7:49:17 PM

SM "There is always the possibility of reverting to an incorrect price. Zeroing out a bad price is the only foolproof way to do it. "

The possibility of reverting/undoing back to an incorrect price is at the same percentage as the amount of bad prices existing overall. If the majority of prices are BAD, then why even use the site???

Sigh.

If Station A has a price listed PRICE X, and Station B has a price listed as PRICE Y from an hour ago, and the GB puts the new price (Z) for Station B in Station A's field and then hit UNDO, then Station A would be left at PRICE X as the GB found it. What is the chance that any particular station that the GB accidentally over-writes with Station B's new price would be wrong to start with? The suggestion was just to UNDO the change and leave it as it was --- the suggestion does not mean find the last price no matter how old it was to repopulate, but just the current price with current time stamp prior to the error.

What you are suggesting is that any standing price is BAD and then should be zero'd out if you do not know the current correct price. The concept is pretty clear and would only result in an incorrect price IF it was incorrect before the GB made an error.

How much programming depends on how clean their code is and how the data is tracked in their database. I wouldn't be able to guess the LOE for this change.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 2/24/2013 7:51:24 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 4:23:53 AM

This is another excellent suggestion that could be implemented by the app programmer (incidentally the only programmer who has been making significant programming changes to GB for the last year or so).

How anyone can find an argument against correcting an errant input issue with an "undo" button is simply ludicrous. Some members here just can't seem to lay their head down at night without their status quo security blanket.

Keep suggesting app changes and forget about asking and re-asking for the many more important web site modifications. Something useful might actually get done this way.

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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 8:55:42 PM

Byte Doc,

No you shouldn't. But if you know a price is not correct, then you should zero it out.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 8:32:07 PM

scountmaster, then by that logic I should zero out any price I can't confirm.

We are only proposing an easy way to put it back the way it was - there is *nothing* wrong with that approach, and it is *far better* than zeroing it out, if it was possible to do so.

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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 6:38:49 PM

TX,

There is always the possibility of reverting to an incorrect price. Zeroing out a bad price is the only foolproof way to do it.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 6:22:05 PM

Mistakes happen either follow the suggestion made by Scrapheap or let it go for someone else to update with the correct price. As TxJeans noted, I can not see diverting resources from the awards for something like this.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 5:50:27 PM

SM - reread what I said. I said nothing about reverting to an inaccurate price -- at least assuming that most posted prices are accurate.

We are not suggesting re-aging an old price. The price keeps it's time stamp.
We are not reverting to an old post that had aged off.
The price is as accurate as it was thirty seconds before the OP fat-fingered the wrong price.

That said, the LOE may not make it worth programming compared to the many excellent suggestions pending (er, I mean all the "games" for the APPS that they want to program).

This would have a very small window of opportunity and basically return to the state the system was at the time seconds before the mistake was made. -- Where do you get invalid out of that if the price keeps it's same outdating?

[Edited by: TxJeans at 2/23/2013 5:52:46 PM EST]
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