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Snardly

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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 10:30:11 PM

Quit jacking us around and get a cash only price Icon going.

This was requested 2 years ago.
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 10:29:48 AM

Here I thought you were 'Feeling free to attack ideas but please do not attack other posters'. Now that is irony.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 10:23:59 AM

Simply a comment meant in jest to :
"Check.
Got it.
Putting you on ignore. Will request that the MODs put me on your ignore.

Hope you have a great 2013."
Sorry if you fail to see the irony.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 10:01:32 AM

Mario said: "Maybe TxJeans should but PTB and GB on ignore"

C'mon this amounts to little more than trolling for argument.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 9:57:44 AM

Ignore is for the ignorant.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 9:34:39 PM

Yet you continue to stalk me an tell me who I should ignore. You really need to find a life.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:18:21 PM

I choose not to ignore other opinions as they may influence mine.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 7:35:10 PM

Maybe it would be easier if MARIO would put TXJeans on ignore.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 6:11:10 PM

Well Mario, isn't as if TPTB have any inclination to implement your idea, which wouldn't work even if it implemented.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 1/20/2013 6:14:15 PM EST]
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 5:04:47 PM

Maybe TxJeans should but PTB and GB on ignore.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 3:48:37 PM

djp071158 If you read the link in my other post, the PTB at GB have repeatedly indicated that this change is no where near in the future, if ever, and they have no desire to even throw a small bone which would need to be part of the bigger picture anyhow.

In other words-- it just ain't going to happen.

Adding the options is too difficult for their patch work that the GB sites compose, and even if they did add the fields, it won't solve beans without 1) mandatory sign-age for stations - each state is different - CA requires (apparently) both cash and credit on the pylon, most communities/states don't.
2) a durable flag that would be tied to the MSL to show two sets and to flag as dual priced.

They have made it clear they don't want to (or are incapable of) adding even the durable flag or durable comments.
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djp071158
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:29:53 PM

We need cash/credit options, and an E85.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:34:48 PM

Don't any one turn blue in the face over this....The PTB at GB have spoken -
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:25:22 PM

PuddinPal,

You make a good point.

Apparently this app feature has been out for a few months now. There is a discussion about this going on currently.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 11:46:33 AM

"GasBuddy recently added the area of who is posting the most prices to the mobile app."

That has been their for over a year.
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PuddinPal
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 11:12:11 AM

GasBuddy recently added the area of who is posting the most prices to the mobile app. It seems to me that gathering the data to post that information is many times more difficult than simply adding a cash or credit trigger on the reporting screen. GB suggests that reporters post the cash price and add notes as to the credit card differential. I'm not sure if it is just being lazy or lack of caring, but no one except me in our area adds any notes to their posts of prices. When one is comparing prices in their local area one tends to know which stations have a cash/credit differential. However, when one is traveling out of ones local area it is very frustrating to drive a mile or more to get a better price only to find that the price is cash only. Adding this one feature to the price reporting would more than double the value and usefulness of the entire GB system. This would allow the gas buying public to make a true informed decision as to where the would buy their gas. What say you GB?
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 10:32:56 PM

I just tried and posted mid-grade for Costco in Pittsburgh which it accepted at 3.55 and then changed the price to the number of NHL games I have seen this season.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:31:36 PM

I think I understand what you posted Snardly but I'm not sure. Could you clean up your last post and repost it?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:39:52 PM

There seems to be some confusion about the MSL and the durable flag.
The idea is NOT to have to check the MSL to see if a station is dual price but instead to have it flagged n the searches based on the MSL.

This is similar to asking that only the proper grades show based on the MSL, but would take probably less programming (less issues with displaying).

The CASH/CREDIT pricing and the FAQ to post the CASH price will be a problem even WITH two sets of fields. Why? Because the person posting from the street sign will need to know if that price is cash or credit. In CA, they apparently have to post both if there is a difference. That is not true elsewhere. Most communities or states have required the cash price w/out discount for things like car washes to be posted, but possibly not all. This past year, however, a county in FL passed and ordinance requiring the HIGHEST price for a grade to be posted on the street sign. This is being challenged as detrimental to smaller stations that can't afford a "$30,000" street sign.

So - we will always have pricing issues between cash and credit. At least the durable flag lets both cash and credit users know that it might not be worth heading to a dual priced station if both prices are not clearly indicated.
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Snardly
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:44:28 PM

"People who demand something without understanding what it takes to implement their demand are not helping anything."

So please make a suggestion that will help something.

I deal with the <input thing on a daily basis with CGI. I find that multiple places to input data works better than drop down lists. For example instead of buy a widget and then chose either blue or red, it is better to have a buy a red widget button and a buy a blue widget button.

On this matter it would be good to have a report a cash price area and report a credit price area. Evan a third for a price that is not known to be cash or credit.

The argument about reporting the lowest price which is usually cash does not apply to people that get a rebate on their gas purchases. I get 3% that makes $3.30 a gallon actually cost $3.20 I also venture to say that most people use a credit card.

I have the cash but I choose to leave it in the bank and pay off my credit card at the end of each month.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 3:54:01 PM

Thanks for the advice Gas Buddy will be more careful debating some in the future. In Canada, Scout it does not matter as people post mid-grade and diesel at Costco and I have also found this a couple of months ago in Washington State.

[Edited by: MARIOWERX at 1/8/2013 3:55:31 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 2:58:06 PM

Two things.

First, maybe people need to rein in the discussion a little. The moderators have closed other topics recently for on-going argueing. Not telling anyone what to say or not say, just a reminder that I would hope you told me in order the moderators don't close an interesting (though opinionated) topic.

Second, unless it's something recent, Gas Buddy does have competent programmers. What they apparently don't have is universal agreement, or maybe not even consensus, on the best way to allow people to post prices (in the manner that you are suggesting) in the various posts.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:29:08 PM

Actually, Mario, if a Costco on the MSL only had regular and premium checked, that would be the only two options to post. I think that is the goal. It would be nice to do the same thing with the cash/credit issue for dual priced stations.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:03:58 PM

MARIOWERX wrote > The programming of the MSL has little to do with what is shown on the price list other than just an index of stations and locations

That can be changed by a competent programmer. Stations that you have reported are highlighted in yellow under the current system. Both the price lists and maps have been changed for GasBuddy Direct.

MARIOWERX wrote > this being the case the only way to show any differences may be a drop down box protocol in the comments field an example being as already used "this price seems too high are you sure" but relating to payment method.

It is hardly the only way and it is deeply flawed. It assumes that people will know when they are reporting cash only or dual priced stations. You may not know a station is cash only or dual priced while driving by. It also assumes that people will take time to use the drop down.

I don't like the comment method. The comments are harder to find and take more time to decipher that a visible flag of some sort.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 11:06:45 AM

The programming of the MSL has little to do with what is shown on the price list other than just an index of stations and locations, this being the case the only way to show any differences may be a drop down box protocol in the comments field an example being as already used "this price seems too high are you sure" but relating to payment method.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 10:00:47 AM

This hasn't been implemented yet. This will be a good thing when it is implemented.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:52:40 AM

Your exactly right Rich, as I noted the site at least looks like it is moving in that direction but still have some work to go. As you, me and many others have said, only grades a station carries ( per the MSL) should display for price entry.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:23:17 AM

I just tried reporting diesel for a station that doesn't sell diesel. It still showed up on the high price list for Virginia and shows up in area searches. Doesn't look like anything has changed to me.

Before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I have deleted the bogus price.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:14:31 AM

Hi Maxstar,

Earlier in this thread you said:

"If a station is selected from the Lowest or Highest list for a region it looks like the grades displayed are only those selected in the MSL. The same goes for which icons are shown for other station amenities."

I've been looking through the stations on these lists in Indiana. Have you tried selecting the map as well? It appears that it is still possible to add prices for non-existent fuel grades i.e. mid-grade and diesel at Sam's Club. Ideally, these would be greyed out or not displayed for input at all if the data fields were tied to the MSL.

Sure hope they fully implement a change like this soon. It would certainly reduce a significant number of errors created by the drive-by reporters who carelessly fill in all fields without even entering a station to verify what grades of fuel are sold at the pumps.

RG
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 2:08:39 AM

MARIOWERX wrote > You cannot seem to grasp as I have said on many occasions this is only my opinion!

Anything anyone writes here is only their opinion. I'm not sure if a less insightful statement has ever been written in this forum.

MARIOWERX wrote > And I do thank you for repeating my comments and claiming them!

I claimed your statements?
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:56:45 AM

Ah yes! That was exactly as I thought you may reply. You cannot seem to grasp as I have said on many occasions this is only my opinion!
And I do thank you for repeating my comments and claiming them!
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:48:32 AM

No, no apologies. Your statement was false. No new rules are introduced by adding a checkbox to indicate cash only or dual priced stations. The simple rule of posting what you see, only what you see and post the cash price would remain unchanged. You were simply wrong.

You however could admit that you were wrong.



[Edited by: Scrapheap at 1/8/2013 1:50:30 AM EST]
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:45:32 AM

Always was just disagreed with you and TxJeans and now you have said I posted a false statement. I trust a heartfelt apology is coming!

[Edited by: MARIOWERX at 1/8/2013 1:47:29 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:41:31 AM

Yep, absolutely correct. It is adding to site functionality. Adding site functionality is what most of the suggestion in this forum are about. You got it. Glad to hear you're aboard with this suggestion.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:40:07 AM

A simple yes or no will do!
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:39:11 AM

WELL WELL WELL.
"MARIOWERX wrote > Just out of curiosity , what is a durable flag?

It is some sort of symbol that differentiates cash only and dual priced stations from single priced stations and will be visible regardless of who posts a price for a station with no additional effort on the part of the price poster. Personally I would like to see different colored backgrounds for cash only and dual priced stations when performing an area search and different colored price balloons on the map for these stations.

MARIOWERX wrote > Who posts it?

The system does based on a box being checked in the MSL."This was posted by you sir.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:35:16 AM

No, it was not me.

However, it is great to hear that you now admit this statement you made is indeed false. "I guess if it is not durable it would just be another level of ignored rules the the members of the mobile app users already do not follow in order to get varieties of status that can only be enjoyed by themselves."

I trust that you no longer have objections to this enhancement that does not affect you anyway.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:26:30 AM

Scrapheap we finally agree as you were the one who suggested the MSL checkbox. Were you not.? A simple yes or no will do.

[Edited by: MARIOWERX at 1/8/2013 1:29:01 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:18:19 AM

MARIOWERX - What you are describing is site functionality, not rules. According to dictionary.com, a rule is
a : a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b : the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for observance by its members
c : an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d (1) : a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court practice or the action of parties (2) : a legal precept or doctrine
e : a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct

As I see it, the only rules for posting prices are to post what you, only what you see, and to post the cash price.

The price poster is under no requirement to know what is in the MSL nor are they responsible to make sure the MSL is correct.

The price poster has no control over how things that are checked in the MSL are displayed. That is site functionality and the responsibility for that lies entirely with the programmers.

As such, I do not see how adding a check box to indicate a station is cash only or dual priced introduces any new rules on the price poster. They only need to post what they see, only what they see and post the cash price.

The purpose of adding a durable flag to indicate cash only or dual priced stations is to add to site functionality only, not to change any rules.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 1/8/2013 1:21:16 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:05:57 AM

I am hoping that the site is beginning to tie what features and fuel types are chosen in the MSL with what get displayed.

I have noticed some movement in that direction. If a station is selected from the Lowest or Highest list for a region it looks like the grades displayed are only those selected in the MSL. The same goes for which icons are shown for other station amenities.

[Edited by: maxstar at 1/8/2013 1:07:15 AM EST]
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:52:18 AM

Yes as certain boxes checked in the MSL have little or no bearing to what is shown on gasbuddy website , at the most if some posted a price on the website or app without knowing what was contained in the MSL are not in any violation of a rule as they are posting the price as they see it as nothing shown where we post prices as a reason to think CASH ONLY, DISCOUNT FOR CASH OR CREDIT CARDS ONLY, as your example of an ATM being checked already shows. Sorry I had to answer more than yes or yes and yes as you seem to have trouble with a concept I have repeatedly stated. This is only my opinion of the way the MSL works from experience and use you may perceive it differently.
YES,
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:36:58 AM

Please answer the question. A simple yes or no would do.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:33:33 AM

Read everything and think about your next response, please , as this is getting ridiculously awkward to respond to . Please, as others read this as well.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:11:01 AM

So you're saying your answer to the question 'How would the presence of a box that could be checked in the MSL change those rules?' is "The MSL checked boxes are not visible to the website price list"?
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 9:53:35 PM

1 The MSL checked boxes are not visible to the website price list.
2 The MSL checked boxes already are ignored for different grade pricing.
3 Only if members looked at station info in the MSL.
Anything else I dodged or are you just unable to understand what I am saying?
Perhaps you should put me on ignore like TxJeans.

[Edited by: MARIOWERX at 1/7/2013 9:56:16 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 9:44:09 PM

The questions you yourself quoted in your previous message.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 9:41:18 PM

What questions, please! I thought a member like you knew how the MSL worked and the only questions you asked made little sense, " How would the presence of a box that could be checked in the MSL change those rules? How does it create a rule that can be ignored? Wouldn't it actually improve the quality of posts for cash only stations?" Since the only person to see this box in the MSL it seemed like a question or questions that had no bearing.If you have to look at the station info everytime hardly anyone would do this anymore than they read the station notes in the MSL.

[Edited by: MARIOWERX at 1/7/2013 9:49:12 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 9:15:26 PM

MARIOWERX- Maybe you could answer those questions.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 9:08:51 PM

Scrapheap you have continually ask for a box to be checked in MSL. and quote:
"Here are the questions you dodged. How would the presence of a box that could be checked in the MSL change those rules? How does it create a rule that can be ignored? Wouldn't it actually improve the quality of posts for cash only stations?", and then, "Ideally, the flag indicating cash only or dual priced stations would be visible in area searches and on the map view. That would work far better than having to open the station details."
Perhaps if you could stay on one train of thought I could understand better, as I have been consistently against a box in the MSL, as most people do not check station details when looking for prices.
Maybe you might agree with me as a lot of members are unaware as too how the MSL works.
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 7:37:13 PM

MARIOWERX wrote > I do not know why I chose to defend this but my whole sentence reads: "As I have pointed out diesel and other grades of fuel are regulated in the MSL but have no bearing on what is posted." (end of sentence start of explanation).

I don't know why you chose to defend that either. It strikes me as being totally irrelevant to this topic.

The idea of a durable flag is not to regulate what people post. It is to give the consumer information that buying fuel from cash only or dual priced stations may end up costing them more than some of the single priced stations. This is especially true for many of us who receive credit card rebates for gas purchases.

Station features show up when you bring up station details. The following station features are checked for the lowest priced station in Vancouver

Convenience Store
Pay at Pump
Restrooms
Payphone
ATM/Bank Machine
Open 24 hours/day
Car Wash
Regular Gas
Midgrade Gas
Premium Gas
Diesel

Ideally, the flag indicating cash only or dual priced stations would be visible in area searches and on the map view. That would work far better than having to open the station details.

I know you are bothered by people reporting prices for fuels stations don't even sell, I am too, but that is not the purpose of this topic. You should be discussing that issue in any one of the numerous topics that are devoted to that issue.


[Edited by: Scrapheap at 1/7/2013 7:39:40 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:15:27 PM

I don't know the coding for this site either, TX, but I do know from experience clean coding is far superior to patch coding unless only a few patches are needed. After time, if more and more patches are applied, the code can get garbled and problems could occur. At this point, it is better to clean code. This is a good article about clean code.
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