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mxd528

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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:54:14 PM

I think it would be interesting to have some rating based on the station's long term (last 365 days) local competitiveness. Something like they would get a point if daily leader (or tied) based on a rolling 365 day cycle. (maybe a half point for second, quarter point for third etc). A 300+ 'point' station would therefore be a local price leader and someone I would want to support - perhaps even if on a day they are not the lowest - but over the long term they are keeping the local market in line.

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2013 6:48:17 AM

I agree TxJeans that fixing the grades/MSL issue is much more important than this. In my opinion, I don't see this as even in the top 50 things that should be done on this site.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2013 6:19:22 AM

TxJeans said: "...our priority has not been worth a hill of beans compared to "games" for the APPS where the focus has been lately."

You got that right my friend.
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redcoral
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 11:42:17 PM

TxJeans and scoutmaster had some very good points about the potential usefulness of the suggested feature. In fact, I envisioned myself finding it useful in similar situations when the lowest gas prices at hand may be a bit stale. From personal experience, this often the case when using the Trip Cost Calculator to plan a long road trip, thus it would be useful to be able to use stations' track records to assess whether they are still likely to be the cheapest when you get to them.

As for this being a paid feature, I don't really see where anyone would find it so overwhelingly necessary that they'd be willing to pay (even a nominal fee) for it. I think a little more eyeball time with some advertising is about as much as I'd be willing to sacrifice for it.

As is often the case, I agree that there are certainly more pressing issues and enhancements. However, while we're making "blue sky" suggestions, I think it's good to put it out there. I wouldn't be upset to see this suggestion implemented if it turned out that the site already had the relevant data and found it easier to do than some of our higher priority suggestions.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 10:41:37 PM

My point Rich is that not everyone is on board, and the fixing of the grades/MSL should come way before this one. I didn't say it was a bad idea like some, I just put my opinion on where it fits in priority. That said, our priority has not been worth a hill of beans compared to "games" for the APPS where the focus has been lately.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:22:24 PM

I understand that every entity has their own criteria by which they make decisions: should we add this feature or that feature?

That's to be expected and I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

However, if an entity enlists a general forum in which users, or "customers", are asked to share ideas, then I'm likely to suggest just about anything.

Sure, it may or may not make good "business sense" but that doesn't mean it's not relevant.

There are two factors at work here:
1. Customer Service - Fortune 500 companies routinely ask for ideas from their customers. In most cases those are PAYING customers. Those companies usually don't want to insult their customers by explaining why their ideas are bad.

2. Purpose of Application - Is an application user-driven? If so, it would tend to include a rich array of features including those that might be marginally used. If it is for gathering data from users to sell at a profit then the feature set would naturally includes those that provide the most requested data to purchasers.

Though I've had a GasBuddy account for a while now, I've only recently (14 consecutive days now) begun using it fervently. I did not realize that GasBuddy was designed to gather data to sell. Now I know.

And that's not a bad thing. It just helps clarify how this thing works.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 7:58:31 AM

TxJeans, I agree there are more pressing issues, but this could be a canned response we could add to just about any suggestion made here.

Some enterprising entrepenuer will probably come along and create an Angies List type app for gas stations that provides customer satisfaction feedback. Obviously, this will need to include historical price data since, in the final analysis, price is a key concern.

Me, I like to support retailers who consistently provide the most bang for the buck and not the cheapest station at a given moment in time. The benefit and forward thinking of this rationale should be obvious. Supporting stations with long-standing histories of consistently reasonable prices will help ensure that they can continue to do so.

RG

[Edited by: RichWLIN at 3/7/2013 8:04:49 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 7:22:38 AM

When pricing is a bit stale in the area, I tend to go to the station on my path that most often is the best value (price, safety, ease, payment). Of course in my local area, I know which stations that is, but when needing gas across the water in Tampa, or in the other end of the county I have no clue. But, I wouldn't mind an indicator of historic competitiveness over say the last 30 or 60 days and an up/down/stable arrow for the station. That said, with the lack of programming resources (which may or may not improve under OPIS), and the focus currently on APPS AWARDS, I think there are probably items on our wish list w/ higher priority --- like linking fuel types and reporting to the MSL and a cash/credit flag.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 7:22:05 AM

On Tuesday, I fill up my 4Runner. Got on Gas Buddy and found the cheapest station worth driving to. Save 12¢/gallon from the stations within a couple miles of my house. Is the station where I purchased gas traditionally the lowest? Nope.

This is a good site to use to determine if the drive is worth it.

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 3/7/2013 7:22:44 AM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 6:51:25 AM

I get the alerts, but most of the time they come well after the spike has occurred and often my fellow local members have already so indicated the increased prices. However, the last spike warning did come 12 hours or so early. It wasn't as accurate in terms of the anticipated price range, but it did reach me in time to buy fuel at $.23/gal. cheaper.

I'm still not sure why some here can't understand the concept of routinely buying fuel from stations that have a proven history of offering the lowest prices? Just because another station in the vicinity is offering a penny or two lower on occasion when you happen to need gas that day, shouldn't be justification for not supporting the retailer who is competitive more often than not.

So you save $.02/gal. and buy 20 gallons netting a whopping 40 cents on the one day that this competitor has decreased the price. Yet, by purchasing regularly from the station that is historically the least expensive, you may very well net many times this over time...and with a rating system you'll be contributing to and supporting a business with a documented track record of customer satisfaction.

Supporting businesses that have a long-standing record of providing the least expensive goods and services seems only logical. Rating systems are in widespread use. I disagree that the naysayers have shot enough holes in this suggestion, and give their arguments very little credence since naysaying is about all they do.

RG
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 5:09:31 AM

I have opted in Zim and I have never received an e-mail about this.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:40:50 PM

Scrap, like you I have never seen such an alert email, and I am subscribed.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:44:18 PM

I think I have just about everything checked as yes. I think the issue you are referring to is in relation to price spikes that happen in some of the mid-west states.
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:35:29 PM

Perhaps you haven't opted in for price hike emails, Scrapheap?

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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:30:56 PM

I've never seen any such alert. Seems like they have at least somewhat similar data that they give away freely in some areas. I'm not surprised it is free since they claim at this site, "Since GasBuddy.com , as part of GasBuddy inc., provides an entirely free service we rely solely on sponsor's advertising to cover all organizational expenses and to fund further website development."
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:13:50 PM

"I take many factors into account, particularly in times of quickly rising or falling gas prices. If gas station A has a price that is 2 cents higher than gas station B, but station A's price is only 1 hour old while station B's price is 23 hours old, and if station A is routinely the lowest priced station around, I'd be rather skeptical of station B's posted price."

It is interesting that GB actually sends out recommendations in email alerts:

"These stations in your area usually react slowly, check their prices:"

So, it appears there may already be some similar data in use.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:07:18 PM

GasBuddy wrote > Wouldn't you then shop for gas based on the current price of gas rather than buying gas from a station that was lower priced in the past but is now higher priced than the competition? Wouldn't the current price be of greater concern than historical prices that aren't current?

Not necessarily. I take many factors into account, particularly in times of quickly rising or falling gas prices. If gas station A has a price that is 2 cents higher than gas station B, but station A's price is only 1 hour old while station B's price is 23 hours old, and if station A is routinely the lowest priced station around, I'd be rather skeptical of station B's posted price.

Gas_Buddy wrote > That makes sense only to a point. Many members (in polls and various discussions) have said they would drive out of their as much as a mile, 2, 5, 10 and as much as 15 or more miles to save (depending on the poll/discussion) a penny or two, 5 or 10 cents a gallon.

Fine, then they won't use this feature. Nothing would force you to do so either.
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 4:35:09 PM

While it's an interesting idea, I think the naysayers have poked enough holes in the relevance of such a feature.

I kind of like the idea of choosing a historically lower priced station over a higher one, and I make those choices based on my own knowledge of my area stations. However, if I were travelling I would either use the trip calculator tool or the mobile app/site and fill up accordingly at a conveniently cheap station.

I also find it interesting that we are debating a suggestion by a member with 6 posts and 670 points. I guess they aren't as highly invested in their own idea or the site.

[Edited by: Zimcity at 3/6/2013 4:35:31 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 3:01:27 PM

umbluegray:

"And while I'm aware of the pricing habits of the stations in my neighborhood, I'm not aware of those habits when I'm traveling."

Wouldn't you then shop for gas based on the current price of gas rather than buying gas from a station that was lower priced in the past but is now higher priced than the competition? Wouldn't the current price be of greater concern than historical prices that aren't current?

"If a seller is consistently higher than his geographic competition, I very well might choose not to do business with him."

That makes sense only to a point. Many members (in polls and various discussions) have said they would drive out of their as much as a mile, 2, 5, 10 and as much as 15 or more miles to save (depending on the poll/discussion) a penny or two, 5 or 10 cents a gallon. If the concern is buying gas now and one station is lower priced than another, for almost everyone the concern is not who has been lower priced over a period of time. That's not to say you shouldn't shop based on station convenience (proximity, access, amenities, etc.) or to support "the guy next door" because competition is good and you want him to remain in business. But just because a station was lower than others in the past isn't what any significant number of buyers are concerned with.

But I do understand your what you're saying.

As for paying for such service, it's beyond what Gas Buddy has said is it's core function. See the moderators post below. It's superfluous (in my opinion) data that Gas Buddy (and it's new ownership, OPIS) sells as market research. Not everything, just because it's available or asked for, needs to be provided at no cost, just because the basic website (and apps) are free. Gas Buddy and OPIS are in the research and information business; I can understand their selling information in order to make a return on investment.
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umbluegray
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:28:29 PM

GasBuddy,

Regarding the request for clarification and possible assumptions...

This is the information age. The more information I have -- in general -- allows me to tailor each decision based on any number of factors, some of which may differ day-to-day and situation-by-situation.

I don't know that I would consistently make a purchase-decision based solely on this proposed rating, but it could factor into my overall decision.

Being in the business software industry I understand the bang-for-the-buck feature adds and how resource assignment factors in.

However, if I'm blue-skying, I'll toss anything out there. Though a given idea may never take hold, it can lead to or trigger creative and imaginative ideas that might not otherwise be expressed.

Back on point... If a seller is consistently higher than his geographic competition, I very well might choose not to do business with him.

And while I'm aware of the pricing habits of the stations in my neighborhood, I'm not aware of those habits when I'm traveling.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:12:48 PM

I see absolutely no reason for a fee to be assessed for this type of service.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:04:39 PM

Interesting concept redcoral. And I agree with maxstar, this would be a good add as a pay service.

I decide to buy fuel wherever it is cheapest when I need fuel.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:00:42 PM

Sounds like this idea could generate a new revenue stream to GasBuddy. A "nominal" fee could be charged so that members who need this type of historical price information when deciding where to buy fuel.
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redcoral
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:51:49 AM

Actually, what I'm saying is that if the price of two stations is close (or the same) I'd like to be able to factor in whether one is usually cheaper over the long-term when deciding which one I choose to support by purchasing fuel.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:42:45 AM

umbluegray: Great idea!
redcoral: Oh, that is a good idea. I'd like to see that.
fire025: I like it.. Good Idea
AmynHH: Good idea

You're all saying that (reading the original post) you would shop at a gas station even if it wasn't the lowest price, because it's low priced "over the long term"?

You're saying you'll pay for gas based on historical prices, and not based on the current price that a gas station is selling for?

Said more bluntly, you're saying that if two gas stations are next to each other, and if a traditionally low priced station is selling gas for 5 cents a gallon higher than another gas station, you'll pay the higher price per gallon? Or would you buy gas at the lower priced station?

Just trying to understand the very quick and simplistic responses (simplistic because you provide no reasoning) in your posts.
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umbluegray
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:29:10 AM

Great idea!
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redcoral
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 3:19:54 PM

Oh, that is a good idea. I'd like to see that.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 9:42:50 AM

I like it.. Good Idea
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 10:18:12 AM

Good idea!
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 10:02:08 PM

I'm planning a road trip, but do not have internet access on my phone. Therefore, knowing which stations consistently have the lowest prices would help me plan my route and stops. I like this idea. The data is already available to implement it.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:21:54 PM

yes good idea I agree - let's try it
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:36:13 PM

Great Idea
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:55:38 AM

Dwight K. Schrute said: "When I'm traveling through an unfamiliar area, I look for the station that has the most recent posted best price."

I'm sure that this method works well for many individuals who only concern themselves with the price of fuel at a given moment of need; however, I'm confident that there are some members here who are committed to significant overhead fuel costs year in and year out. These members can make good use of data that permits fuel purchases at stations with consistently low prices found in close proximity along their routes.

More from Dwight: "I could care less if it is "traditionally low" or not!"

Supporting businesses that have a long-standing record of providing the least expensive goods and services seems only logical.

It sure won't hurt to be open-minded regarding the concerns of others rather than adopting a selfish stance against fuel purchasing methods other than your own.

RG
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:04:52 AM

"Gas buddy could provide a moving average price for the last 10 days."

This already exists by area.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 1:00:16 AM

Gas buddy could provide a moving average price for the last 10 days.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:47:24 AM

Sounds interesting. How would this work?
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:11:26 AM

Scrapheap said: "GasBuddy is primarily interested in increasing revenue by turning the site into a game."

I think the "game" is more than just internet income garnered from awards and incentives attendance. It seems more likely that the bigger game is in commodity futures.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 11:54:05 PM

Gas_Buddy,

I guess my initial point just wasn't clear. Unfortunately, it seems that few discussions you take part in are well understood. I'm paraphrasing but I sure wish I had a dollar for every time you said "I'm perhaps naive" or "maybe I don't understand the issue" or "just my opinion". I usually just scan over most of your lengthy remarks that often consist of more sarcastic questions than useful answers, but you've called me out personally so you obviously must want to hear and argue against my opinion.

To reiterate: the rating system concept is widely used in many industries to define the best retailers, products and services often in terms of consistently reasonable prices (among other things). I see no reason why some form of rating system for gas stations wouldn’t be useful to GB users. This alone is adequate reasoning to agree with the OP's suggestion conceptually. It sure wouldn't detract from your ability to shop where ever you wish.

The rest of my comment was with regard to personal preference in gas purchasing for myself and employees while traveling various and often distant routes for work year after year. It sure wasn't intended as an argument with you or any other contrarian. Yes, I'd like to schedule business trips with fuel purchase planning derived from a list of stations along my routes that have and are selling at consistently low prices over time, and whether you understand this or not, purchasing this way can be very beneficial over time, particularly when the fuel bill is for a number of vehicles used commercially.

And again yes, I would try to "support" stations that have the lowest prices consistently over time on general principle, and in the hope that they may continue to thrive and do so.

I realize that not everyone wants or needs the ability to ascertain this kind of information from the readily available data that we all help provide, but it certainly shouldn't bother you enough to argue against it and or to suggest depriving other members of access to the info.

It seems that some people just like to argue against everything but the status quo.

RG
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 12:49:57 PM

Always willing to help Gas Buddy. I use that link all the time. As you said, easy to use and helpful.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 12:26:30 AM

maxstar wrote > The reason I would argue against it is that there are many suggestions I would rather see implemented and it would benefit a relative few.

By my count, 8 people liked the idea and only 3 disagreed.

I don't buy the "there are suggestions I would rather see implemented argument". There are many suggestions that are important to the general membership, clearly listing both cash and credit prices, not accepting prices for fuel a station does not carry are my primary examples, but the GasBuddy corporation clearly does not care what you or I or the pleas of many of their volunteer spotters ask for. GasBuddy is primarily interested in increasing revenue by turning the site into a game. Accuracy is a distant consideration.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:53:09 PM

Scoutmaster's link is a later version of the fuel saving tip I've had on my profile since I joined Gas Buddy however the Providence newspaper since discontinued the link

One of the best gas buying decision makers around. Simple to use. Easy to understand. And gets its point across that its not always worth driving out of your way just because the price somewhere else is lower. Especially to those who say they'd drive 10 or 15 miles, or any distance to save 3, 4, or 5 cents a gallon (as said in many other threads on Gas Buddy).

End of pontificating on my part
And thank you scoutmaster.

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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 6:47:02 PM

The "rating" system I use is checking my phone to find the lowest priced station in my area when I need to buy gas (even if my area is in a different town at the time). I could care less if the station is traditionally the lowest price or not.

The reason I would argue against it is that there are many suggestions I would rather see implemented and it would benefit a relative few. The ratings will be based upon the same updates that people now complain about? How about working on ways to make those updates more accurate first.

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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 6:13:54 PM

This is a good site to determine if the drive is worth the savings.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 5:26:52 PM

I totally agree Gas Buddy. When I'm traveling through an unfamiliar area, I look for the station that has the most recent posted best price. I could care less if it is "traditionally low" or not!
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 4:20:17 PM

Gas_Buddy wrote > I'm perhaps naive but how does knowing that a station is traditionally low help? Even if a station is traditionally low, and low currently, wouldn't you plan your fuel refills at the nearest 5 start stations that are currently low?

It depends on how far away those stations are. As I stated before, none of the stations on the low prices list on the home page is within 75 miles of me. The list is pretty worthless to me.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 2:20:34 PM

RichWLIN:

"If I were traveling through an unfamiliar area, I’d sure like to be able to plan fuel refills at the nearest 5 star stations where prices are currently and traditionally low..."

I'm perhaps naive but how does knowing that a station is traditionally low help?
Even if a station is traditionally low, and low currently, wouldn't you plan your fuel refills at the nearest 5 start stations that are currently low?

Or are you suggesting people buy gas at, and/or "support" (whatever that might mean) stations that are traditionally low even if they're not currently low? Maybe I don't understand the issue as well as others but I shop based on current prices (or on upcoming sale prices or known mark-downs/reductions, etc.), not on what prices have been in the past. Especially for perishables or soon-to-be-consumed items such as produce, meat, dairy...or gas.

It might be one think knowing about past prices, but that's different than "rating stations" because they were or were not low in the past, just as I don't expect most people to go out of their way to buy at a gas station just because prices have traditionally been lower than a nearby station that might not be as low but saves driving/fuel consumption, and isn't the current low price. Just that it's "traditional", whatever that means.

Just my opinion.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:04:56 AM

The rating system concept is widely used in many industries to define the best retailers, products and services in terms of consistently reasonable prices. I see no reason why some form of rating system for local stations wouldn’t be useful to GB users.

If I were traveling through an unfamiliar area, I’d sure like to be able to plan fuel refills at the nearest 5 star stations where prices are currently and traditionally low; and, it would be nice to sort stations in this manner whether home or away.

Not sure how there can be made a case against this?

RG
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:51:36 AM

Good idea.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:39:07 AM

Ryan wrote > We are always open to suggestions but I don't see this one working. The home page lists the lowest price. Most members are just looking for exactly that, the lowest price.

The lowest priced station on my home page is over 100 miles away. None of the stations on the list are within 75 miles of me. Hardly useful.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 10:05:11 PM

I'm agreeing with Ryan. I don't see this as useful. Just familiarize yourself with the stations in your area and you accomplish the same thing.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 7:44:03 PM

It would be helpful to me to know that a station consistently is in the lowest 10%. Becasue we are creatures of habit, and I like to pidk my route to include the cheap stations. I don't really want to be changing my routes every time I get gas. Getting gas isn't usally my highest priority when I'm driving.
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