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BigHorne1

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 8:13:00 AM

Instead of just gas cards, offer other prizes that are a fixed amount of points. So that you don't have to do a raffle, and your points will not be waisted.
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Don
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 1:37:30 PM

If a topic has not been active for 2 or more months, please do not post in it.

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W707
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 1:13:53 PM

I'm in favor of haveing no prizes at all that way when a newbie wins and they do there would be no complaing at all..
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 4:58:53 PM

<Enjoy the site, and the savings from the site. If you win, it is just icing on the cake, or nice extra surprise. >

The above is not original to me, but something expressed regularly by many on this board, and practiced by even more.
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buckeyecountry
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 7:30:26 AM

<Enjoy the site, and the savings from the site. If you win, it is just icing on the cake, or nice extra surprise. >

Good logic
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 11:32:34 PM

<<<why not have more prizes with a lower value>>>>

Hyeglenn, because then posters would complain that with today's high prices, $50 isn't worth it and they would prefer less winners and better prizes. Also, that means more work of distributing the prizes.

<< and have a winner from every state in the union. >>

What about Canadian members?
Why should those in small membership states get a better chance of winning than the high membership states?

Enjoy the site, and the savings from the site. If you win, it is just icing on the cake, or nice extra surprise.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 9:08:34 PM

Why not have no prizes!
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 8:02:55 PM

why not have more prizes with a lower value and have a winner from every state in the union.
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steelydawn
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:16:26 PM

More gas cards to be used at Superstore.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:28:32 AM

Vaad, because then posters would complain that with today's high prices, $50 isn't worth it and they would prefer less winners and better prizes. Also, that means 5x the work of distributing the prizes.

Enjoy the site, and the savings from the site. If you win, it is just icing on the cake, or nice extra surprise.

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seabrz7
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:24:44 PM

why not just enjoy the real value of this site of finding the cheapest gas prices and save money throughout the year. I don't care about points or prizes. Its all about saving money. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Vaad
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:07:38 PM

I understand they can't give prizes straight up. But I think they should offer more prizes. For example $50 gas cards to 5 different winners each week.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:45:22 AM

Ricky
-more winners will take more work and more complaints about winners not being posted fast enough as it takes time to reach them and we will have more complaints about winner isn't posted yet.

-others will complain that the gas card isn't worth it at $50.

- With Chase, they are earning money from swipe fees that go to your awards. GB doesn't earn money with your tickets except the general Ad revenue. If you allow all these folks with lots of points to start buying the cards, GB will need to find a way to fund it as it will be more than $250/per week that would be claimed, or they would have to make the point value so high it removes the incentive of the game. Are you willing to offer some $$ to their prize pool?However, if you want to help Gas Buddy with providing something in exchange for points (taking them out of your "bank"), the following is from Gas Buddy's FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) section of the website:

"Trading in points for objects of actual value (either directly or via a raffle) depends on someone contributing those objects first. If you know of some company that might consider donating their product in exchange for being mentioned on the site, please feel free to contact them!" And if you or another company is interested in donating their products, feel free to let Gas Buddy know; and you might want to let us know here in the discussion. Just a suggestion; that's all. Just a suggestion.

I think the prize drawing is fine as it currently exists.

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ricky3107
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:27:00 AM

I agree. Offering only one gas card per week in the amount of $250 seems fair if you're the winner, but I feel you should reduce the amount of the gift card and select more winners per week. Or you could implement a new program similar like Chase does with their credit card. You would have to increase the amount of points to win/redeem, but Chase offers gift cards when you receive 2500 purchase points. They offer different types of gift cards and at different point levels. Something to think about....Rick

[Edited by: ricky3107 at 11/17/2012 10:31:26 AM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 4:42:27 PM

hyglen wrote:
"How about points earning Air Miles."

hyglen, how about, because more people drive than fly, how about points earning a car. What Gas Buddy could do is pull out a winner, and then when enough weekly prize winnings accumulate, the winner can choose his car. Of course that might mean no one wins any money until enough weekly dollar prizes accumulate enough for a car to be bought and awarded, but that's not a problem, is it?

Sorry, but how do you propose that air miles be obtained in order to be awarded to people anonymously posting gas prices? Or, for those that don't post gas prices, to people who post one word or number or widget comments in message "disccusions"?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 4:08:46 PM

@hyglen
"How about points earning Air Miles. "

And just how would you suggest this work? Do you work for an airlines willing to donate Air Miles for folks posting on a forum somewhere?
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 12:49:02 PM

How about points earning Air Miles.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 7:49:23 PM

cymk -- think this through....

If everyone could spend their points on merchandise, how will GB get the prizes and merchandises for you to buy? Do you want to then also have to subscribe so they have enough revenue so that they can sell you merchandise for posting prices?

As GasBuddy (just a member, not employee/owner of the site) indicated:

However, if you want to help Gas Buddy with providing something in exchange for points (taking them out of your "bank"), the following is from Gas Buddy's FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) section of the website:

"Trading in points for objects of actual value (either directly or via a raffle) depends on someone contributing those objects first. If you know of some company that might consider donating their product in exchange for being mentioned on the site, please feel free to contact them!" And if you or another company is interested in donating their products, feel free to let Gas Buddy know; and you might want to let us know here in the discussion. Just a suggestion; that's all. Just a suggestion.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 4:33:14 PM

You said it, scoutmaster!

cymk, stay in school.

Kanakakua, who is going to pay for the extra prizes, you?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 1:31:10 PM

Nice to do something? How about posting more prices!
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Kanakakua
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 11:57:26 AM

Instead of one winner pick 4 or 5 winners !
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cymk
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 11:32:45 AM

like others have seaid before me, if would be nice to beable to do sometjhing other than waste my points in a drawing that I will most likely never get picked for.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 9:43:44 AM

Jeez, being able to enter a contest is just icing on the cake, the cake being finding lower gas prices. Why must everyone feel there is such a NEED for prizes, gift cards, etc? Why must you be rewarded for every little thing? So you folks want to bank points and buy prizes. Who is supposed to pay for all that?

If I should win, yay for me. I feel that I have won every time I go to the filling station with the lowest prices.

That's what this site is all about.
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Pigtails4455
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 8:26:48 AM

I agree with Bighorne1 - Instead of raffles for gas cards, offer other prizes too that are a fixed amount of points that you can buy with your points. This way your points are buying something.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:51:07 PM

Pigtails4455:simply

"I would also like to be able to bank my points in order to purchase a gift card."

Gas Buddy doesn't "sell" gift cards, so if that's what you're suggesting, it can't be done. At least not now.

If your'e suggesting that you can build up your points and automatically have them exchanged for "gift cards", why would or why should Gas Buddy do that? What you're suggesting (and I assume that's what you post means) is that because you anonymously post gas prices (for the primary benefit of helping your fellow members and neighbors) that Gas Buddy simply gives away prizes for reaching a certain level. That's not financially realistic or (as a business) reasonable to do. What would be gained by Gas Buddy to simply give away "gift cards" because you (and I, and hundreds others) "banked", say, 10,000 or 100,000, or even 1,000,000 points? Like it or not, Gas Buddy is, for almost all anonymous members, a business and is in business; it's not as if it were Publisher's Clearing House, selling magazine subscriptions and personal data.

Sorry, but if the suggestion is that you can "bank" your points and then take them out of the bank to give back to Gas Buddy and Gas Buddy, in turn, gives you a "gift card", I don't see that happening.

However, if you want to help Gas Buddy with providing something in exchange for points (taking them out of your "bank"), the following is from Gas Buddy's FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) section of the website:

"Trading in points for objects of actual value (either directly or via a raffle) depends on someone contributing those objects first. If you know of some company that might consider donating their product in exchange for being mentioned on the site, please feel free to contact them!" And if you or another company is interested in donating their products, feel free to let Gas Buddy know; and you might want to let us know here in the discussion. Just a suggestion; that's all. Just a suggestion.
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Pigtails4455
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:50:02 AM

I would also like to be able to bank my points in order to purchase a gift card.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 2:53:27 PM

Purchase cards with points??? Why????? Will that help curb the cheating???? Nope it would encourage it!

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 8:22:01 PM

I just don't think it is sustainable to have available the cards for purchase with points as in Rich's example. Sorry. There are enough other things that the PTB at GB need to be focusing on than getting enough cards for folks to buy. JMO
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 7:57:33 PM

Oops typo when I said: "Using my off the cuff example of a $25 card for 250K points, it would take over 5 weeks accumulating the maximum number of points every day..."

Meant to say 35 weeks.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 6:58:47 PM

TXJEANS said: "You and I may not cheat to acquire the max allotted points per day, but I can assure you that others would."

I'm sure you're right. I suppose that there will always be some percentage of the membership who would rather cheat than actually participate, but I believe that there exists only a small fraction who would ultimately put in very much time or effort at it. The reason they cheat is because they're lazy, selfish and inconsiderate of others. Cheaters really just want to get over and move on.

Using my off the cuff example of a $25 card for 250K points, it would take over 5 weeks accumulating the maximum number of points every day, and the grand prize only amounts to about 7 gallons of gas. I just can't imagine many cheaters willing to make this sort of commitment.

P.S. I wouldn't care to purchase advertising gobno either. I was really just trying to follow what I thought the OP's original suggestion meant.

RG
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 4:47:47 PM

repseng reported
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buckeyecountry
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:50:09 AM

repseng

Posts like that won't get you many gas buddies
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repseng
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:10:08 AM

Ok
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 6:53:29 AM

Richwlin said "As another example: Would I bank my points in order to purchase a $25 gas card for say 250,000 points instead of participating in the raffle? I probably would. Would I have to cheat and enter false prices to acquire the maximum allotted 975 points per day. I would not."

You and I may not cheat to acquire the max allotted points per day, but I can assure you that others would.

However the visibility of smaller items might be good, I really can't see myself spending points on coffee mugs, and such. I get enough of that stuff free from other sources. If you are short of mugs, I can send you some (J/K). Now I MIGHT bank points to buy a gas discount...

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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 1:38:54 AM

OK. I'm not arguing for or against the proposal; just clarifying what I believe to have been proposed.
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achas
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 8:51:49 PM

I think we should leave things like they are. It is not like we are loosing anything - We get points for reading a few articles and posting gas price that I have found personally useful and also accurate when I travel.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 9:25:26 AM

I'd like to point out an omission in the line of discussion involving app member activity. It should be obvious that the members who are making fraudulent price posts using the app, are also in the minority when it comes to participating in points accumulation on the web site.

For instance, if you take a look through the points leaders in your immediate area, you'll find that the lion's share of them don't participate here in the forums (0 or very low number of posts); yet, they do post gas prices routinely. I contend that most of these folks are app users. Why would anyone bother to visit the web site to post prices, and then not take advantage of the rest of the points available here?

It is apparent when looking at member activity that there are fewer members who both use the app on the road and then visit the web site collecting the balance of the available points by reading news, posting in the forums, etc. And, there are probably even fewer members who don't use the app at all and post entirely from the web site.

My contention then is that we're really talking about several different types of membership activity. I don't think that many of the people who participate here in the forums every day are among the group who post prices just to chase app awards.

All that said, I initially liked the concept that I think BigHorne1 was trying to suggest i.e. purchasing prizes with available points but I also agree that it may be flawed if it ultimately encourages members to attempt increasing their points for profit.

On the other hand, I could see how offering advertising and promo items for purchase with points could benefit GasBuddy. Small ticket items to be purchased with accumulated points like coffee mugs, can coolers, calculators, etc. that bear the GasBuddy logo and URL, would tend to increase visibility and grow the business. Some of the advertisers here on these pages may also be willing to donate their products or services perhaps for a larger number of points.

As another example: Would I bank my points in order to purchase a $25 gas card for say 250,000 points instead of participating in the raffle? I probably would. Would I have to cheat and enter false prices to acquire the maximum allotted 975 points per day. I would not.

In the end, the real reason that the gas giveaway exists is to increase participation. BigHorne1 may have touched on something here that might be beneficial to everyone; at least it's worth discussing.

RG


[Edited by: RichWLIN at 9/14/2012 9:30:46 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 6:32:16 AM

Kwzh - I was agreeing with you as to the intent of the OP, but I agree with Gas_Buddy that I think changes proposed by the OP and by Don would lead to more harm than good - more false price posting, and less sustainability of the prize system.

And, more importantly, there are bigger, more important things that GB needs to spend time on than reworking the prizes.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 12:13:45 AM

TXJEANS writes,
> To me "so you don't have to do a raffle" means "buying" prizes not entering smaller raffles with higher probability to win.

Isn't that exactly what I described?

Gas_Buddy writes,
> [questioning how points are wasted]

In the current scheme, if you enter a raffle and you don't win, then your point balance has gone down and you've gained nothing. That's the sense in which they're wasted. In (my interpretation of) the OP's proposal, you would spend points and definitely get a specific return value in exchange.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 2:31:17 PM

kwzh:su
I understand your suggestino, if that's what it is, that points can be exchanged for a "prize" (let's call it a movie discount, but, like TXJEANS, I didn't take what the original post said to be in that vein. I read the original post, "So that you don't have to do a raffle, and your points will not be waisted" to mean that you when you reach a certain points level, you get a prize (whether it's a movie discount or anything else that someone might have donated to Gas Buddy or that Gas Buddy purchases).

In any event, I'm extremely reluctant to support most suggestions
regarding "ways to get more points" and "we need more prizes", espeicially when most (not all, but most) of the members that come up with those su(butggestions haven't already taken advantage of the points they can earn in order to try to win the prizes that are already available. We've already seen, and discussed extensively, how the system is misused when the prizes are simply mobile app awards that no one (but the member him/herself) knows about.

BigHorne1 wrote: " So that you don't have to do a raffle, and your points will not be waisted."

Maybe I'm naive but I don't see what's so difficult about having "to do a raffle", nor do I see how, by not "doing" a raffle, the points are "waisted". But as I said, maybe I'm naive.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 7:57:39 AM

Personally, I think the way it is currently is fine.

kwzh: the op said "...fixed amount of points. So that you don't have to do a raffle"

To me "so you don't have to do a raffle" means "buying" prizes not entering smaller raffles with higher probability to win.

I agree with Gas_Buddy that changes discussed by MOD DON would lead to more false price posting, and I have seen a rise in that with the gaining popularity of the APPS with the APPS "games".

DON said "One of the major questions remaining was whether this kind of prize system could sustain itself as long as the $250 preloaded gas prize draw."

I tend to think it would not sustain itself as well.

There are more important changes to be made! DUAL Pricing!

JMHO

[Edited by: TXJEANS at 9/13/2012 7:58:26 AM EST]
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 7:07:19 AM

Gas_Buddy writes,
> As for "offer other prizes that are a fixed amount of points...", I assume you mean that [when you reach some point level,] you automatically get a prize.

No, I believe the suggestion was that, instead of spending 1000 points for a raffle ticket, you could instead spend (say) 6500 points for a movie discount coupon. I.e., you still need to make the decision to spend your points, but instead of a low probability of a high value prize, you would be getting the certainty of a low value prize, should you choose to play it that way.
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rbrk02
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 8:40:05 PM

Gas Buddy, good post. I think you are right that more prizes would lead to fake posts. Leaving things alone is probably the best answer.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 5:59:04 PM

As others posted, more prizes will create more bogus posts.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 5:42:44 PM

I would leave the prizes as they are. More prizes will likely lead to more inaccurate price posting.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 5:10:39 PM

From a gas price posting perspective, if there were prizes awarded to each and every "home" area, there would be a rush to change home locations in order to be in a locale where there are fewer posting members.

As for "offer other prizes that are a fixed amount of points...", I assume you mean that if/when you anonymously reach different point levels for (not being cynical) posting one word/one number responses in the Just for Fun category, and opening but not reading five news articles daily, and posting several gas prices daily, you automatically get a prize.

If that's what you're suggesting, my question is "why?" Why should the website simply give prizes (be it money, gas cards, or shopping bags or coffee mugs with Gas Buddy logos simply because people anonymously posted one word/one number "responses", or opened news articles? Simply giving away a prize because you reached a certain points level or tier will just, in my opinion, open the gates to people posting gas prices, whether they've seen the prices or not, more so than they're doing now. Because, after all, if you're willing to post prices you haven't seen (or done other points earning actions) to get points in order to take part in a drawing, why wouldn't you do even more knowing you'd get a guaranteed prize?
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Don
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 2:00:49 PM

The topic of offering a tiered prize system had been discussed with the site owners recently, ie. having $50.00, $100.00, and $250.00 prizes each week.

Potential prize offerings also included a daily prize give away, 1 prize each week per home site, or a combination of these (ex. daily tiered prizes).

One of the major questions remaining was whether this kind of prize system could sustain itself as long as the $250 preloaded gas prize draw.

This certainly would be nice for GasBuddy to offer it's users though, what better way of showing appreciate to our users across Canada and the United States could there be!

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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:17:17 AM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject.

If you could spend your points like money, there would not be enough chance to reduce the cost of the program to where it would be affordable to those that sponsor it. It's sort of like asking the casinos to let you win on every slot-machine pull; it'd be nice, but they would lose money.
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