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Lynn2go

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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 2:14:13 AM

When I'm browsing posts replied to topics, I notice one-word replies/posts more and more often, such as "OK", "no" and "yes", and they actually get points. Also the same member responds the same one-word post several times on different days and/or times. It's infuriatingly unfair to all the other members who post detailed replies who actually discuss the topics. My suggestion is to impose a minimum number of characters when posting a reply in order to be eligible to be awarded points.
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mister8tch
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 4:33:15 PM

Indubitability!!
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CSF
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 9:57:33 PM

Agreed!
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peggypat
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 4:41:46 PM

Really, does it really matter to you? Why? It's an answer.
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musicreporter
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:11:14 PM

it all depend son the larger goal - is it to educate members?
encourage participation,. motivate folks?
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musicreporter
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:58:50 PM

Gas Buddy is right on... we agree...
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Pmgr
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:58:42 PM

good points there gas buddy!
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MsPeachi747
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 12:49:13 PM

And LIFE goes on!
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:24:02 AM

And when was the last time Lynne2go responded to this thread?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 8:15:42 AM

Remove the points from the NEWS and that solves the problem.
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ItisAJeepThing
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 7:55:18 PM

GasBuddy Management, please do something to reduce the clutter of monosymbolic posts on news items. Something that directs these members to go waste their time in "Just for fun" forums.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 10:31:36 AM

The "why" is the focus of this discussion. Looks like this JFF type response post was made simply to mock the discussion and should be removed.

[Edited by: maxstar at 1/24/2013 10:32:27 AM EST]
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:56:02 PM

Actually, you do not get points for reading a news article. You get points for clicking on a link that takes you to a synopsis of a news article. If you read many of the responses, it is obvious that people seldom read the synopsis or the article itself.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:51:34 PM

rick_evans:

Regarding "So simply clicking on a news story should get points but actually writing something in response should not?

First, Scrapheap's correct that "...clicking on a news article does not annoy others and impede actual discussion."

But a purpose for awarding points for reading the news articles is Gas Buddy management trying to educate its members on energy and oil industry issues (among others). While reading the news articles won't necessary make you a smarter or more informed consumer, it's an attempt to try to educate you (and others) about issues that you might not have found on your own, and possibly to provide more information for you to better understand the issues, and to possibly either give you an understanding of the "opposition's" point of view or to reinforce your own positions/perspective.

Just an opinion, but if there weren't points for reading news articles (and yes, some are more informative and useful than others), many members would have little reason to learn about many of the issues now posted, let alone to actually learn them.

[Edited by: rick_evans at 1/19/2013 5:16:35 PM EST]
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:42:28 PM

Quite frankly, I don't think you should get points for either action. However, clicking on a news article does not annoy others and impede actual discussion. Writing useless posts like 'okay' or 'hmm' are annoying and impede actual discussion.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:15:59 PM

So simply clicking on a news story should get points but actually writing something in response should not?

[Edited by: rick_evans at 1/19/2013 5:16:35 PM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:58:10 PM

kwzh - I agree. They would have it on their notepad for easy pasting.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:38:30 PM

You guys are too optimistic about what people would post, given a four-word minimum. I bet a more common posting would be:

"OK
stupid filler here"
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:18:35 PM

Jayburt:

"It really should be a 4 word minimum, as a sometimes wordy writer I have no problem lol"

As TxJeans noted, you'd simply get four word responses. Or, three word responses and "lol". And if you made it a six word requirement, forgetting "lol", you'd get responses such as "I agree with the other members". And if you made it an eight word requirement, you'd get responses such as "A lot of good ideas in this thread." And on, and on, and on. It doesn't matter what the required number of words is because you cannot control "posting for points". The best you can do is either discourage such comments (i.e., members policing each other in the manner I noted to 1stupedaso (trying to gently get his attention) or as others have done in noting that "ok" type responses don't add to the discussion in many of threads. It's one thing to do the flippant responses in the Just For Fun or Off Topic discussion categories; it's an entirely different thing to do so in the more substantive discussion categories such as "Suggest a GasBuddy improvement", "Talk Back To Us" and/or "General Gas Talk".

musicreporter wrote:

"maybe we need more "active" moderators on the forums to cleanse, edit and clear stuff"

This has been brought up before, but there are several perspectives to look at.
First, the discussion categories, the topics, as a general rule are secondary to members posting fuel prices for the benefit of other members.
Second, in some cases, one word responses may, in fact, be appropriate in the substantive discussion categories, depending on what's asked or how it's asked in the Topic title or in the original post. You can't force members to create better topics than those titled "Gas" or "Closed station" and then expect intelligent or insightful responses to an original post that reads: "I think prices are too high..." or "Most gas stations are gouging..." and so on.

I, for one, don't think that moderators should be spending/wasting their time reading any and/or all topics and replies, to cleanse or clear "stuff", let alone editing what some of what wrote (if for no other reason than their editing may change what me mean, in however inane way we say it).

We can, unless you're saying that discussion topics/posts are that important that moderators should be "topic police" either police the topics yourself (and inform moderators of flagrant issues/posts/etc), or remove the points incentive to respond to topics. If members don't receive points for contributing to a topic (and, again, "ok" may be an appropriate response, just as "I agree" could be), they may be more selective in responding to topics. As TxJeans noted below, and as long-time members have, maybe the solution, if Gas Buddy doesn't want to completely eliminate points for posts, is to limited points to only posting in the Just For Fun, or the Off Topic discussion categories.

But I, for one, don't want to see the moderators wasting their time, regardless of whatever else they may or may not be doing, by reading and "cleansing" discussion topics of dubious value.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:17:54 PM

I agree with that.

Jayburt, all the 4 word limit would do with create responses like above, or worse...

I say only give points in the JFF and all the debris would soon disappear.
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Jayburt
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:42:43 AM

It really should be a 4 word minimum, as a sometimes wordy writer I have no problem lol
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musicreporter
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:30:11 AM

maybe we need more "active" moderators on the forums to cleanse, edit and clear stuff
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 3:40:15 PM

1stupedaso:

"I agree"

You agree with what? Or with whom? Or are you simply making a two-word post for the humorous effect?
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1stupedaso
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 9:33:01 AM

I agree
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Muskegon
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 4:35:59 PM

I'd much rather read one word replies rather than someone rambling on & on about nothing just to gain points.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2012 2:38:54 AM

At least it's better than a bunch of one-word replies about it.

Note that this topic is over three months old, almost four now, and there's probably nothing more to be said about it. If people stop responding, it'll drop off into natural limbo.
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Karisholman
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2012 10:56:55 PM

I would have to say it is funny that there are so many wordy reply's about the one word responses.
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QuagmireLA
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 2:33:01 PM

I can't say the people who leave one word posts or better yet symbols like check marks when they post do much for me. When I first got on here I started blocking them out. I don't believe my blocked user list is more than 50 people and I rarely see the one word replies like ok anymore. Gotta admit to throwing in a uh-huh sometimes myself. Blocking one word postings would only lead to 5. 7 .or 10 checkmarks. If someone's determined that they're after that $250 gas card they're gonna stay at it.
Now talking about tunnel-vision (why not) someone on here who will remain nameless initials MF said he had blocked 3800 users now that's out there. If there were that many people around that bothered me I'd find somewhere else to hang.
Here's an idea I once saw. Go to a glass and mirror shop. Have them cut a mirror 2 1/2 X 5 ft. Put it in a colorful plastic frame with a 4 ft chain on one end and a big shiny bell centered on the bottom. Hang it from the ceiling in a nice quiet place. Then sit in front of it and you will always have someone suitable to converse with 24 and 7. Merry Christmas !
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driveonby1
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 4:47:19 PM

It's good to exercise frustrations, but some of this appears to be OCD to me. You don't get that many points to post in the topics, as opposed to posting prices or even just reading. Gas_Buddy points this out well. As often as I spout off in the topics, sometimes I just reply "ok" or "right" to show agreement (or cynically, to not). I'm there, I'm reading it, I acknowledge it, AND I get a small notch in my belt. If you're worried about my intentions or my rewards, you're wasting your time. Take that time and look up "OCD."
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 6:28:44 PM

Just to check in, I get really annoyed by some of the inane one-word (or so) posts. I'm very much in sympathy with Lynn2g0 and Borscht.

Maybe reduced points? 15-20 points for a post of over, say, 100 words. Ten for most others. Five points for posts under five words.

Just a suggestion....
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Jesse0127
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 3:43:50 AM

Depends on the topic question. When the topic asks only what grade of fuel I buy, I assume the person only wants to know what grade of gasoline I buy. If they ask for more details, I provide it.
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2amy
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 3:09:56 PM

Not saying your wrong but what about the numbers poated?
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davisadm
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 1:02:11 AM

95% of the time, 1 word posts are just to get the points. There is even a forum called
"Have you checked the Los Angeles Forum?" where most people reply with "v". This forum has 7288 posts!!!
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:24:40 PM

borsht:

"I agree, 1 word posts don't provide any useful content."

No?

Sorry, but that one-word post has context, doesn't it? Doesn't, in this isolated case, ask you, "No, you don't think a one-word post doesn't provide useful content?"

It depends on how the question is asked or if "useful content" is needed, whether the question simply asks for a "Do you think..." or "Do you agree...", or a "How many...what color...", etc.

I don't disagree that most one-word comments/posts don't provide any substantive responses, but that doesn't mean that the question or the issue is being worded in a way that doesn't imply a one-word response is appropriate or is all that's needed.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:17:43 PM

I agree, 1 word posts don't provide any useful content.
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npothier
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 7:59:41 AM

I'm not fussy about the one word posts either, so I just keep on scrolling to the next commenr :) I don't usually have a lot to say (until you get to know me lol) but I do try to give some detail. I like that we have an ignore button available though :)
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ricky3107
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 5:42:45 PM

Lynn2go, I understand what you're saying. But you can't blame the person responding if the person is asking a closed question. The person has to ask an open-end question that will provide a response in greater detail. They need to ask a question that begins with why or how. They can even begin with "tell me about"....Rick
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ejs4818
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 3:25:17 PM

ABSOLUTELY agree on the one-word posts being annoying.
I post on & have been involved in a LOT of forums over the years, and having an interchange here is tougher than any I've ever been involved in. Personally, I'd say the biggest improvement would be to toss out your points system entirely, at least in regards to forum posting.

Gas_Buddy, nearly every time I read one of YOUR posts, it includes something telling the member to post prices, downright berating some users. You leave the impression that you're irritated that they post comments rather than prices. Wouldn't killing the forum points encourage this? Make the reward available ONLY for price posting!! Wouldn't harm the forums one bit, many other forums are VERY active w/o any form of reward system!!

BTW, no need to tell me to post more prices - I'm a retiree & may go DAYS w/o firing up a vehicle, much less seeing a station! I do post prices when I think to look at them, but I'd do it regardless of "points"

Ed

[Edited by: ejs4818 at 11/11/2012 3:26:22 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2012 4:10:39 PM

MarkFurukawa:
"I'm retired, so I'm not seeing gas stations regularly enough (or early enough in the day!) to post prices."

It doesn't matter when you post fuel prices, whether it's early enough in the day or in the middle of the night hours or following the afternoon rush hour. Any fuel price you post, even if it's simply repeating the price already posted, extends the visibility of that gas station's listing. S o even if you're not seeing gas stations early enough in the day, later in the day posting is just as good (if not better) because the prices continue being seen for a longer period of time. And price posting - keeping other members current or up-to-date - is what it's all about; or primarily is, in my opinion.
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MarkFurukawa
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2012 3:58:19 PM

Gas_Buddy,
All your points are valid. Ranting about the few who can't be bothered to follow the rules leads to tunnel vision. My 3800 blocked posters are almost all one-word posters. As you say, I need to just ignore the idiots and focus on more important issues.

My point about bragging rights is that I'll never accrue big points and that really isn't my focus anyway, as you can tell since I've only accrued 40,000 points in four years. I'm retired, so I'm not seeing gas stations regularly enough (or early enough in the day!) to post prices. So, my 'contribution' to the site are the few comments I make in news articles (assuming anyone thinks they have any value).

First step in ignoring the idiots is to drop out of this discussion thread, which is after all just stressing about those idiots, and move on.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2012 2:02:50 PM

MarkFurukawa:

Most of us acknowledge that the one word posts in response to many of the topics isn't useful, and yes, in many cases they're done for points. But I disagree that the one-word posters are, in your words, " devaluing the points of those who make legitimate, meaningful contributions to the site, in part because you added "I'd be more interested in 'bragging rights' if they weren't devaluing the points.

At worst, the one-word posts are irritating and frustrating, but at best, the posters only earn points for the first five posts, regardless of the number of words in the post.

You wrote "How many of those above my rank of 98600 have 'earned' a large portion of their points with one-word posts? Without them, maybe my rank would be 90000...don't guess I'll get my dark blue car soon, or ever move up to the purple car."

Not being cynical but the way to move up, in points and rank, isn't by one-word posts; it's by posting gas prices. Preaching to the choir, each gas price is worth seven times the points of a one-word post. You wrote "I always mess up and miss a day before I hit 90 consecutive days!" In 90 days, even if you posted only one gas price a day, you could earn 13,000 points (in a year's time, just posting one price a day you'd earn more points than you have to date). Said another way, if you posted gas prices for the max only every other , five fuel price posts every other day, you could earn more than 125,000 points in a year, without posting one message, without reading any of the news articles, and without taking part in the weekly polls.

The bottom line is, while I can't understand how anyone could have 3,800 people on their "ignore list", if you want to move up, then don't worry about the message posts, one-word posts or more. Instead posting gas prices at the rate you have been (about one price post a week), simply post just one more price post a week and you'll double your points earnings. For bragging rights, if you will.

Just my opinion; that's all.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2012 10:18:56 AM

OK, I just wasn't sure if you knew about that option.

The Report Abuse form isn't ideal, but I figure that it's a close enough match in this case; fluff posting is supposed to be confined to the Just For Fun forum category, so non-contributory messages in other forums can be considered "posting to the wrong forum".
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MarkFurukawa
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 11:47:13 AM

I see that the 'Report Abuse' link really isn't geared for reporting one-word posts. I'll stick with the 'Ignore...' link.

kwzh, if the one-word posters weren't devaluing the points of those who make legitimate, meaningful contributions to the site, I'd be more interested in 'bragging rights'. How many of those above my rank of 98600 have 'earned' a large portion of their points with one-word posts? Without them, maybe my rank would be 90000 - still not near the top but worth bragging about (except that many of my points have been 'earned' in the process of blocking one-word posters). This is my 13th post over the 4 years since I joined - don't guess I'll get my dark blue car soon, or ever move up to the purple car. And, DANG IT, I always mess up and miss a day before I hit 90 consecutive days!

Yes, blocking is a permanent choice because I'm not going to go through my list of 3800 blocked posters to try to determine if a few of them have stopped their one-word postings. Besides, mixed into this list are posters I've blocked because I found their posts inordinately stupid/ignorant, such as those who got stuck on the infantile 'Obummer' or 'Government Motors' epithets.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2012 11:47:55 PM

Buying tickets, and also bragging rights.

Actually, it's only permanent if you choose it to be. You can cancel an ignore by using the "Manage ignored members" link.
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MarkFurukawa
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2012 12:21:11 PM

Is there a point to earning points (no pun intended) other than to buy tickets for prizes?
If the true goal of accruing points is to validate our contributions to GB then eliminate the prizes, or separate entries for prizes from the points system.

Until I came upon this topic, I didn't realize the 'Report Abuse' link could be used for the fluff 'ok' messages. I thought it was reserved for personal attacks or criminal behavior or something. I've been using the 'Ignore...' link extensively and it does help, but it's permanent. If an offender has learned his lesson and begins making useful contributions to a conversation, I'll never know. I'll be giving the 'Report Abuse' link a try for a while to see if it is effective. If it works, I can reserve the 'Ignore...' link for posters I find personally offensive.
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jim27106
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 12:28:55 AM

i agree.
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d_clark
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2012 5:53:08 PM

sure ok.

So it is ok to create a bunch of random topics?
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hoghead55
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 9:22:08 PM

then post more than 1 word.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:21:15 AM

sunite writes,
> then do not allow forum posts / questions that simply ask for a 1-word answer.

This would be even harder to detect programmatically -- and there's not enough manpower at GasBuddy for it to be feasible to do it by hand.

Anyway, the bulk of the problem seems to be in the news section, where a significant number of members want to respond with "OK". That's not caused by a bad question; no question is being asked.
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Pigtails4455
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:46:20 AM

a one-word post is still a post.
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sunite
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2012 1:34:00 PM

If 1-word answers are not appreciated, then do not allow forum posts / questions that simply ask for a 1-word answer. Those surveys within the forums are not actually totaled and displayed, so what good are they? Besides the obvious, it gets me daily points.
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arielwainer
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 12:52:17 PM

sometimes manyt of the questions/ post being asked can be answered in 1 word.
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