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hphall238

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Message Posted: May 8, 2012 6:50:44 PM

I think it would be useful to add something somewhere for finding prices and locations of ethanol-free gas, similar to pure gas .org but since GasBuddy has a larger network, it would benefit even more. The benefits of using ethanol free gas in carbureted engines are wonderful, no more taking the mower, dirtbike, or ATV to the shop every couple of months for some carb issues. The tradition here is to run most lawn equipment on race gas. Non-ethanol gas is also beneficial in any older cars, you can literally feel the difference in power, and the MPG increase is measureable as well. Not to mention that it also doesn't contribute to the breakdown of the old rubber fuel lines, like ethanol does over time. Newer cars will see a small benefit, but not enough to justify the price difference associated with ethanol-free fuel.


[Edited by: hphall238 at 5/8/2012 6:52:00 PM EST]
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BeemerBikerUT
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2012 7:06:15 PM

Interesting points of view
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onetallguy
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 12:19:11 PM

I have three vehicles, 2 that give better gas mileage with 100% gas. I can not easily find the stations that offer 100% gas. Obviously, a separate category of station features needs to be added to fix this problem.
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Ness808
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2012 6:00:05 AM

An additional column for non-ethanol fuel would be useful in a very competitive Hawaii market. Only a few stations, for instance Union 76 and Shell offer it, and not at all stations.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 12:40:14 AM

“. . . that is not the same as a law requiring ethanol. If that were the case, the stations that are still ethanol free could not exist.”

I realize the laws requiring reformulated gas don’t specify ethanol but that is what is used 99% of the time, so it is a shorthand notation simply to refer to “laws requiring ethanol,” which is true in practical terms. In certain areas reformulated gas is required, so e-free gas is unavailable. For most of the country the law requires blending a certain number of gallons of ethanol into the fuel supply but it does not require blending for 100% of the supply; hence, E0 gas can be legally sold in much of the country.

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jrsva
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2012 12:25:30 AM

From the site linked by SM just below —
“Conventional Biofuel: Any fuel derived from starch feedstocks (corn, sorghum, wheat). Essentially, this category covers corn ethanol. Conventional biofuels produced in plants built after 2007 must demonstrate a 20% reduction in life cycle GHG emissions compared to the baseline.”

It is hard to figure how ethanol results in a reduction of CO2 emissions since it reduces fuel mileage to the point that just as much petroleum is consumed using E10 as with E0. This looks like unconventional math to me.

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:38:44 AM

jrsva,

Ya might want to read this.
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Crapulent
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:43:53 AM

"With laws on the books requiring increasing ethanol use"...

Again, I'm not aware of any law anywhere that requires ethanol. There are plenty of laws requiring oxygenation, of which ethanol is one way to accomplish (but not the only way), but that is not the same as a law requiring ethanol. If that were the case, the stations that are still ethanol free could not exist.

I posted this before here but the post disappeared.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2012 12:19:57 AM

CC: “With laws on the books requiring increasing ethanol use, ethanol-free gasoline may soon become a thing of the past.”

We sincerely hope you are wrong, CC. In my area of VA we have lost a couple of E0 stations this year but more new ones have appeared. With the mid-western drought severely impacting the corn crop, diverting food into fuel is stupider than ever.

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twt
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2012 8:18:35 AM

I have to run the highest octane, in my motorcycle. Regular, in my truck. Ethanol, is bad for the motorcycle fuel injectors.
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CC
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2012 6:51:21 PM

With current laws in the U.S. regarding ethanol dependent on location, it is very difficult, if not impossible to have a way to determine ethanol content across all of GasBuddy. Some areas require labeling gasoline with ethanol, some do not. Sometimes the only way of knowing is asking the station owner or the operator, and they may be reluctant to tell you.

With laws on the books requiring increasing ethanol use, ethanol-free gasoline may soon become a thing of the past.
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CrazyCanuk2
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 6:59:53 PM

After discussing ethanol in gas this past weekend I just spent the morning contacting most of the major gas providers in the GTA area to find out what % is actually contained in their fuels. Almost all new the answer, some of the customer support reps had to dig deeper, interesting answers. This percent number could easily be added the each grade of fuel right under the price in the GAS Prices list, as it varies by grade and supplier.
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Lilly02
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2012 10:51:57 AM

When I have a problem with my driveabilty on whatever I fuel up they point fingers at the fuel and it is not their problem. The fuel manufacturer says it is not their problem. So what is a person to do except try to find non ethanol fuel but there is nothing avail. in this area. So I guess I am stuck with what I can get.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 6:47:49 AM

Yeah it's E85 and it isn't all that common everywhere. In my area, there are only a few stations that carry it. The owners manual for both of my vehicles suggest to not use it.

Gotta agree with jrsva regarding the problem with your mobile app. If E85 is checked on the MSL it shows up on the app.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 12:30:57 AM

“It was done easily and quickly when a few stations started carrying E15!!!”

Don’t you mean E85? There is no MSL check box for E15.
To get management’s attention I think you must have a problem with the mobile app.
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: May 20, 2012 12:22:07 AM

It is a true shame that GasPrices can't simply add one more check box on the fuel types carried section for each station in the Master Station List.

It was done easily and quickly when a few stations started carrying E15!!!

What does it take to get management's attention for a real improvement to this site?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 10:33:31 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new topic on an old subject.

[Edited by: CampKohler at 5/9/2012 10:33:49 PM EST]
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jrsva
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 12:19:28 AM

“Newer cars will see a small benefit, but not enough to justify the price difference associated with ethanol-free fuel.”

We see an improvement of >10% with a 2010 model car.

One suggestion that has gained a lot of traction in the forums (but none so far with management) is to tie price posting more closely to the information in the Master Station List. The primary benefit of this would be the prevention of price posting for types of fuel that a station does not sell. More to the point for this thread, however, is that a field in the MSL for durable comments would be added. This comment could be “Ethanol-free gasoline,” for example, which would then automatically appear with every price post for that station.

The ethanol boondoggle grows worse over time. We need to use every available means to counter the scourge of ethanol.

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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: May 8, 2012 10:17:19 PM

This seems like a good suggestion...if they ever make any changes that is.
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