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YukonGold

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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2012 9:08:34 PM

I've been waiting a few years for the Yukon to be included on the Canada map, and it has yet to happen. There are thousands of tourists going both ways on the Alaska highway, as well as folks moving in or out of the state. What most don't realize is that some gas stops are cheaper than in centers such as Whitehorse or Tok, and some are dreadfully more expensive. Some are closed in winter and some are open. It would be as much a public service as anything else if the Yukon Territory could be included!
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Isawitcheap
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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 10:40:33 PM

What a well-explained response, scrapheap.
Thanks
I'm sure that the Yukon will get a site now!!
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 9:01:41 PM

When the metro sites were popping up like weeds a few years ago, a moderator or JT himself justified them by saying the area recognition was critical to GasBuddy's growth. Following that logic, the Yukon deserves to have its own site.

Don wrote > NWT has a slightly larger population than the Yukon Territory, which could explain why that site exists over top of the Yukon Territory (43,346 est. NWT residents vs. YT est. 34,886 residents).

True but the Yukon has more than a 2X population density and, in the MSL, a more than 4X station density. The station density is pretty ironic since the Yukon doesn't have its own site.

It seems as though the Yukon is being denied a site based on an extrapolation of data from the NWT while in fact it should be an interpolation between other sites and the NWT.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 3/13/2013 9:04:11 PM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 8:25:32 AM

Classic Catch 22. People don’t post prices because there is no member site, and a Yukon site is financially untenable because there aren’t enough people posting prices.

Apparently, the bottom line is that there ain’t no gold in them thar hills as far as revenue for Gas Buddy goes. Taking a vacation to the Yukon will just have to be pot luck with little regard for “Consumers working together to save on gas”.

Some of the responses to this request (lengthy diatribes essentially arguing to maintain the status quo) would be laughable if they didn’t read so typically arrogant and condescending.

RG
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Isawitcheap
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:57:44 PM

Anyone look at scrapheap's response? You can't post prices for Yukon stations! because there is no site. There are a lot more thru drivers from Alaska to the southern 48 that might post and help othes if there was a site to post it on. That, I believe was the original request. I suggested combining the Yukon with the Northwest Territories but that might offend somebody. I don't know how a "parked site" got active unless GasBuddy.com activated it. I'm sure it wasn't an "accident".
I added more stations in the hopes that once the count was ahead of the active Northwest Territories site, the Yukon might be activated as well.
The Alaska Highway passes through the Yukon, not the Northwest territories. Tourists in the summer might appreciate the help with pricing a trip.
IMHO
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:16:12 PM

Hagerstown has 49 stations on the MSL and York has 101 stations on the MSL. Based on Isawitcheap's post the Yukon only has 29 stations. The Yukon is considerably larger in area than either Hagerstown and York combined yet has significantly less stations. Including the Yukon with the Northwest Territory makes sense. Giving the Yukon their own site doesn't.
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Don
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:44 PM

rumbleseat,

"To take almost a year for a moderator to reply simply marginalizes them.
It is one thing to not want to bother giving them their own site because it is considered there aren't enough stations, but that message could have been delivered 10 months ago, IMHO. "

Sorry for any inconvenience, sometimes topics get overlooked and do not see any response. We try our best to respond to topics in the forums when time allows.

I hope my explanation did help though.

-Don
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 10:05:29 AM

Scrapheap:
"Why do places like Hagerstown or York deserve a site while the Yukon does not?"

Seems like separate issues.
Why do places like Hagerstown or York deserve a site?
While doesn't Yukon deserve a site?

To answer the first question, I don't know. Maybe because each relatively small area has about 30 and 40 gas stations posted (as of a few minutes ago) respectively. Maybe at one time someone thought they were distinct enough from surrounding areas that either their price posts would dwarf or be dwarfed by others.

That doesn't seem to be what would happen in Yukon or The Northwest Territories, at least not at this time.

To give a local perspective, I would like to have continued having a DC Metro site, one that had prices for the stations in Washington, D.C., as well as allowing price posts for the surrounding Maryland/Virginia areas (of, for example, Montogmery County, Rockville Gaithersburg Bethesda, Arlington and Alexandria) simply because it's such commuting area for housing, work, recreation. Instead, a small minority (not just a minority) were adamant that D.C.'s integrity should be distinct and that price posts shouldn't be permitted from outside the District's boundaries. They got their way. Now, if you live in Rockville, work in D.C., and dine or see a show in Alexandria, or if you live in Arlington but shop at Tyson's Corner or Montgomery Mall in Maryland, but routinely site-see in the District, you have to check three distinct and individual Gas Buddy sites. It used to not be like that. Now, Montgomery County is "dumped in" with the rest of Maryland, having no price relationship whatsoever with the Eastern shore or places north of Baltimore.

The answer is, I don't know. No one's saying Gas Buddy is perfectly aligned, but in this one case, Yukon, adjacent to another area that doesn't have stations in significant enough numbers that it will make any station list/price posting list unwieldly, combining the two doesn't seem out of place. Not if it means that Yukon will, at least, be recognized.

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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 10:47:36 PM

Why do places like Hagerstown or York deserve a site while the Yukon does not?
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 12:58:55 PM

I hate to agree and disagree with rumbleseat, but marginalize describes these areas exactly, as they are on the fringes and from an economic standpoint they are unimportant especially since the example of the NWT having little activity
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:19:30 AM

rumbleseat:

No one's suggesting that waiting this long for a rely should have been necessary or was appropriate, but the issue is either creation of new (Yukon) Gas Buddy site, or at least integrating Yukon into the Gas Buddy family of communities. Complaints (justified or otherwise) about how an area is/was treated or about people being marginalized (like it or not, in a not very populated region) doesn't help get what you're asking Gas Buddy for.

Said bluntly, would you rather have a combined Northwest Territories-Yukon site, or a Northwest Territories site only.
And, if you were Gas Buddy management, could you justify maintaining two separate sites?

It's better, to me, to combine two lightly populated areas, the Northwest Territories and Yukon, and let Yukon members (future) participation show the need, benefit, or value of a separate stand-alone Yukon site.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 1:39:36 AM

My suggestion includes the idea that perhaps a few people in the Yukon might deign to participate if they had a Yukon site.

To take almost a year for a moderator to reply simply marginalizes them.
It is one thing to not want to bother giving them their own site because it is considered there aren't enough stations, but that message could have been delivered 10 months ago, IMHO.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 12:33:00 AM

Sorry for the computer glitch and the duplicate posts. I've asked the moderators to remove the duplicates.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 12:12:55 AM

rumbleseat:

"Why should Yukon (482,443 square km, larger than every US state except Alaska and Texas) be combined with Northwest Territories? It isn't part of NWT. Would you combine Rhode Island (land area 2,710 square km) with Connecticut?"

The first sentence is irrelevant; the size of the area doesn't matter if there are few or relatively few gas stations to report on over a wide area, and there are (or would be) few participating members posting for those few stations.
The second sentence is ludicrous because of populations affected, and population affected refers to the multitude of gas stations in those areas, especially when compared to the Yukon and the Northwest Territories. Whereas gas cities and gas stations would be lost in a combined Rhode Island-Connecticut Gas Buddy (single) website, there would be much less confusion in a combined Yukon-Northwest Territories.

Said another way, the population of the Yukon is roughly (if I remember correctly) about 25,000 or 30,000 people. The population of the New Territories is about the same. It's not as if you have so many gas stations (or would-be affected cities/towns) in either province that combining the two areas would be a hardship when reviewing Gas Buddy price in any way any more than there is by having a single South Dakota Gas Buddy site (though there are, I believe, more gas stations for the South Dakota site than a combined Yukon/Northwest Territories site. For that reason I disagree with kwzh's comment that combining the two provinces would be "inappropriate". There is no appropriate/inappropriate issue; it's simly a matter of numbers, the which are few..

If you suggested combining South Dakota and North Dakota, I might not disagree with you. I don't know. If you threw in Montana I might disagree because you'd now be adding a number of relatively large cities (read that as: Many more gas stations).

For that matter, I would eliminate the Anchorage Gas Buddy site and integrate it into the Alaska Gas Buddy site completely. After all, many if not most of the Alaska Gas Buddy price posts are for Anchorage to begin with.

I understand that the two large provinces are entirely independent entities with their own separate identities, but combining them for the sake of Gas Buddy price posting doesn't diminish either of them when you're simply looking at gas stations. And, like it or not, if there's no noticeable participation, there's no reason for advertisers to support the site(s); combining the two might entice an advertiser more than two minimally used sites.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 11:59:01 PM

I think combining them would be inappropriate. However, I'm not sure why the site doesn't go ahead and launch both Yukon and Nunavut, instead of parking them -- what's the marginal cost of letting them go live?
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 11:35:02 PM

I think that scoutmasters suggestion is a reasonable way to try and include the Yukon Territory. If as Don points out, there are a total of 49 registered between Yukon Territory and the Northwest Territories and only a handful of those updated on a regular basis the suggestion makes more sense.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 10:08:31 PM

rumbleseat,

My suggestion was based on Gas Buddy's post which stated
"there are 29 stations listed as being in the YT, however, none of these have any existing price update history."

Rhode Island has a lot more than 29 stations.

My thought was to combine them with the hopes those 29 stations would get some posting.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 4:55:25 PM

Why should Yukon (482,443 square km, larger than every US state except Alaska and Texas) be combined with Northwest Territories? It isn't part of NWT.
Would you combine Rhode Island (land area 2,710 square km) with Connecticut?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 1:11:04 PM

Maybe combine the Yukon with the Northwest Territory?
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:00:15 PM

How does one update prices for stations on a site that does not exist?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 11:53:49 AM

First, thanks to Don for a very understandable response.

Second, and while some may not like the answer, Gas Buddy is in business; it's not a public service or charitable organization, however much any of us might want to think it is.

Third, if you want to keep the sites going ("...there are 29 stations listed as being in the YT, however, none of these have any existing price update history."), then members need to keep posting prices and taking part in Gas Buddy activities, even if they're doing it virtually for only themselves and a neighbor. Sites cannot be justified (maintained, and financed, etc.) if there's no participation. And, like it or not, the 29 stations showing no existing price update history doesn't help the cause.
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Don
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 10:58:59 AM

One thing to keep in mind is that these sites require a consistent user base to participate and keep the sites active and up to date, and that GasBuddy generates income through advertising revenue, if the user base is not large enough, or projected to not be large enough, then a site wouldn't be created.

NWT has a slightly larger population than the Yukon Territory, which could explain why that site exists over top of the Yukon Territory (43,346 est. NWT residents vs. YT est. 34,886 residents).

I would almost call the NWT site the Canadian equivalent of the Alaskan site, but this would not be entirely fair due to the major difference in population (est. 722,718 AK residents vs. est. 43,346 NWT residents).

Essentially the NWT site was a parked URL that eventually went live, but it sees very little site activity (currently only one price available on the site). We do have a Nunavut URL parked, and though there is a "site", it is not functional, nor is it intended to be live at this time.

You are right, there are 29 stations listed as being in the YT, however, none of these have any existing price update history.

The NWT site in comparison has 20 stations, but at least 8 of them have been updated by only a few users between 1/19/2013 - 1/21/2013.

There is no definitive timeline we can give you as to when a site for the Yukon Territory will ever be created or go live.

Thanks for you patience.

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Isawitcheap
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 10:19:10 AM

Northwest Territories shows on MSL leaderboard with 20 stations and a gas posting site nwtgasprices.com................
Yukon Territory DOES NOT show on MSL leaderboard at all (you have to use the dropdown on any other MSL state site and select Yukon, then use the station rather than the city dropdown) but has 29 stations and NO gas posting site???
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Isawitcheap
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 2:18:56 AM

Add-on Message
I've now added 10 more stations to the Yukon Territory bringing the total up to 24. There were stations in Watson Lake, beaver Creek, etc that I hadn't seen the first post. That puts the Yukon on a par with the Northwest Territories.
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Isawitcheap
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 5:04:14 PM

This topic seems to still be open, thankfully.
On the MSL there are 10 stations with YT as part of their address (8 in Whitehorse and 2 in Haines Junction, all on the Alaska Hwy) that YukonGold refers to. If you, for example, open BCgasprices.com and login so that you can see the MSL, using the drop-down, you can scroll down to YUKON Territory. When you do this, NO STATIONS appear. Yet, if you zoom in on the map and using the arrows, cross the border into the Yukon, the 8 stations start appearing along the highway as you approach Whitehorse and further along(almost to the border with Alaska) at Haines Junction. When you click on each marker, the correct address with YT appears.
A suggestion: combine the Yukon & northwest territories into a new site, possibly something like "CanadaNorthgasprices.com". This would yield at least 25 stations plus the ones in Dawson city that haven't been added yet.
Or create Yukongasprices.com, at the least. This way the truckers who aren't talking CB and the tourists could update when they stop and fill up.
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2012 1:04:41 AM

My assumption is that "on the map" merely refers to the USA/CAN map that is or was somewhere on the site, allowing you to click a state / province / territory to drill down to the correct site. I.e., not literally the station mapping feature, but simply "Let's cover Yukon gas prices too".

It's true that it would be good for more people to contribute gas price information to the site. It would be even better if people suggesting it would do so in an encouraging way.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 10:50:09 PM

Yeah, it seems ytgasprices isn't taken, neither is yukonterritorygasprices.com, but it doesn't seem to be a priority.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 10:30:50 PM

rumbleseat: or they could just go with www.ytgasprices.com. Seems like they could get around the name issue fairly easily.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 10:22:44 PM

"There are currently 15 stations in the MSL for the Northwest Territories,"Yukon Territory is NOT Northwest Territories, and neither is Nunavut, for that matter.
Yukon also has no stations listed, perhaps because of this.
This page is the future home of:
www.yukongasprices.com
This domain is for sale.
The Nunavutgasprices site has a link to, believe it or not, the non-existent GasBuddyGasPrices.com, and also doesn't have a link from gasbuddy.com.
The north is not well covered either by stations listed or by gasbuddy sites to actually enter those stations.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/16/2012 10:25:51 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 10:11:53 PM

maxstar wrote > Despite comments to the contrary, my initial comments are very much relevant for this site.

But they are not relevant to this thread.

maxstar wrote > Including the Yukon Territory would be a great idea.

You should have left it at that. It is the only thing you've said on topic.

BTW, there are maps that include stations at the street level in Canada. They exist on the mobile apps. The Yukon Territories are not included.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 3/16/2012 10:15:03 PM EST]
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 9:53:04 PM

Including the Yukon Territory would be a great idea. Despite comments to the contrary, my initial comments are very much relevant for this site. Price updates are inherently important to the site and that importance is reflected in the point that can be earned from them. When a 5 year member with a home site indicates that he lives in the Oregon area, I have no reason to believe he lives anywhere else. As far as I can tell, he is just another tourist on the Alaska Highway. Of course a followup remark from YukonGold could and all this speculation.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 8:24:14 PM


You don't even know if Oregon is where YukonGold actually lives. One possibility is that they joined in Oregon, moved North and never got around or didn't know how to change the home site. That would explain the low activity. But again, that is not relevant to the original question.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 7:28:08 PM

The OP is waiting on the Yukon to be included on the Canada map. There is no map for Canadian stations and as I posted earlier I think this is due to some legal ramifications.

Considering YukonGold's home site is Oregon, one would expect participation there.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 7:19:37 PM

Gas_Buddy wrote > While it's a good idea, if there's not enough Yukon Gas Buddy participation, that might be a reason not to implement the idea.

How can you expect participation when there is no YukonGasPrices.com site?

Most of the rest of what you wrote is just spin to cover the backs of your buds who like to ride people with low point totals.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 6:39:41 PM

"The basic argument against this idea is that the OP should not be heard, no matter how good the idea is."

I don't think so. I think the idea has validity but I don't know the intricacies of adding additional maps, etc. But that doesn't mean that I don't also think that people that start threads, especially long time members, should demonstrate some participation in the website other than as a social network, chat, etc.

And that's not picking on Yukon Gold. For all I know he (she) is posting gas prices recently. But, and again it's not an indictment or picking on the messenger (or the OP), but if you've been waiting a few years for something to be done on this website, that seems to indicate that you use it, then why not help your fellow members by posting gas prices at least a little more frequently than one every three months.

CookieAcct is correct in saying "You have no way of knowing YukonGold's personal circumstances or why there is an *apparent* lack of points. It has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the question raised is a good one."

But that doesn't mean that people here shouldn't "encourage" each other to contribute and to contriubre frequently, and to contribute more frequently.

While it's a good idea, if there's not enough Yukon Gas Buddy participation, that might be a reason not to implement the idea.

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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 5:30:04 PM

Sorry, but we up here in the Yukon are having a whiteout.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 5:29:09 PM

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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 10:25:46 AM

The "discussion" in this thread has been pathetic.

The OP would like maps that cover the Yukon Territories. I'm sure there are many people in Canada who would like maps that get down to the street level like we have for the US. People in the US lament the fact that the maps are out of date.

It seems pretty clear to me that having newer maps that cover both countries would be a definite website improvement. I don't know how anyone can argue against that but the usual suspects are active, not coming up with any rational reason why this is not a good suggestion, but are instead fixated on the point totals of the OP. The basic argument against this idea is that the OP should not be heard, no matter how good the idea is.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 3/16/2012 10:26:52 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 9:06:29 AM

You are correct CookieAcct. Since becoming a member, YukonGold has started three topics all about the same thing. In one of these topics from December 20007 states station can be added to the MSL for this area.

There are currently 15 stations in the MSL for the Northwest Territories,

The map issue is for all of Canada. There are no maps for anywhere in Canada. I think there is a legal reason for that.

So it would appear the lack of participation comments by myself and another member actually have some basis.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 8:32:22 AM


scoutmaster and maxstar>> You have no way of knowing YukonGold's personal circumstances or why there is an *apparent* lack of points.

It has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the question raised is a good one. IMHO it is a very good one that I, for one, would like to see answered.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 5:17:48 AM

I was thinking the same thing maxstar.

It would be nice if the people who were complaining actually contributed, kwzh.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2012 4:32:04 AM

YukonGold: Good point, nice suggestion.

maxstar: Give it a rest, already.
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