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kwzh

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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2011 12:12:58 AM

There are all sorts of things that *could* be added as MSL checkboxes which *someone* will find useful, but adding them all would swamp the system. This topic is to discuss which ones would provide the most value, and prioritize them. Let's say a 0-5 scale.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 2:48:44 PM

Livewire50 suggested:

"How about having a way for all to see what the price was in the last 24 hours at a station so maybe you could see the trend in the pricing."

How would a check box accomplish this idea? Having numerous price entry boxes on the Master Station List page that could be checked off seems like it would be cumbersome.

A better alternative would be to have a box in which could be entered the 24-hour ago price, but who would enter the price? The Gas price posting member, as a second entry (that is, in addition to the current price, the member posts the previous price)? And, do you think that members will check the Master Station List page to see previous prices (i.e., a trend)? lternatively there could be a present price and a default previous price (i.e., your 24 hour ago price), but wouldn't that make the pages cumbersome?

I just don't see how "trend indicators" for individual stations, i.e., what the prices have been over the past day or week, will determine if a member should get gas, for the most part. Granted it may be slightly useful for members who fill up less frequently than once a week, but most people seem to fill up when they need gas in conjunction with checking with Gas Buddy to review current prices more than they would buy or not buy fuel because a station "trended" over the past day or so.

Maybe Livewire50 could expand on how to use the check boxes for pricing.
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Livewire50
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 9:50:55 AM

How about having a way for all to see what the price was in the last 24 hours at a station so maybe you could see the trend in the pricing.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 3:04:00 AM

Separate checkboxes for "Propane as vehicle fuel" and "Propane for the BBQ grill", as mentioned in another topic.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 6:48:04 PM

Gas_Buddy - It is sarcasm.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 5/5/2013 6:48:25 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 4:52:10 PM

CampKohler:

What?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 3:10:18 PM

We'll need to see copies of those notifying PMs in triplicate (one white, one green and one canary).
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kwzh
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 4:41:13 AM

Flag for "station provides full service", as per discussion in another topic.

(Bumped to continue the list with a new entry; as per protocol (#13), the mods have been alerted in advance.)
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2012 3:20:28 PM

Air Feature

The check boxes should be: Air for Sale | Free Air | No Air | Awaiting Repair.

In addition, the law or custom for the area should be available.* A GB Web page could hold a numbered paragraph for each area. Typing the number into a station's Air Text Number field would produce that paragraph if a user clicks the Air Details button provided wherever the Air Feature is displayed.

If no Air Text Number has been entered for the station, the following would be displayed: "No text is available for this station. Members with 10,000 or more points are requested to edit the MSL entry for this station and select a suitable canned text from among those available. Instructions are provided."

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*For example, in CA, free air must be supplied when fuel is purchased unless the station is closed or there has been sufficient occurance of air facility vandalism.
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 11:59:54 AM

Misposted…



[Edited by: bytebug at 7/16/2012 12:00:38 PM EST]
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rbrk02
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2012 10:45:12 PM

kwzh, Absolutely agree with a "Members Only" checkbox on the MSL. Have the same issue locally with BJ's Wholesale Club as they are "Members Only".

[Edited by: rbrk02 at 7/12/2012 10:46:19 PM EST]
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Hank321
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2012 9:38:48 AM

We have some stations that have a total of 4 grades of gas (at least one has 5). For the five grades the octanes listed are 87, 88, 89, 90, and 91. While the regular and premium are obvious, having 2 or 3 mid grades can be confusing as to which price to enter. It would be nice to either have the option to add if a station has these other grades or a guide line published as to which should be entered.

Also, I agree, a box to enter if the station has CNG (then the price) would be good.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 8:33:02 AM

"CK is right, the cash/credit price info should be displayed in the price listing not hidden away in the MSL"

The problem with not having a MSL flag is that the price on the sign is what is being posted. Unfortunately, some folks don't bother noticing or don't know if that is cash or cash/credit. Therefore, a durable flag would be good. The flag should show on the price list. Or, a durable comment.

So - what happens when we have separate cash and credit fields but are not in CA where they apparently must post cash and credit price? Where will one post the price on the sign that they see from the street.

This cash/credit is not an easy fix w/out standardization of price signage.

Sigh.

[Edited by: TXJEANS at 7/8/2012 8:33:48 AM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 7:01:32 AM

Totally agree kwzh.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2012 4:04:57 AM

(Bump to continue the list)

A checkbox for "Members Only" (typically CostCo, Sam's Club, etc) should be in here. I'm surprised that I didn't think to list this one before.
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a5
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 10:25:36 PM

I don't mind extra checkboxes for motoring related services (air, EV chrage, Propane for vehicles, ..) but don't want GB to be a listing for everything anyone could want. (Diaperbuddy.com, burgerbuddy.com, condombuddy.com, smokebuddy.com)

I think that there are already more questions than most people care to answer. It's already a daunting task to try to remember what all needs to be checked when one encounters a new station. Only the really fanatic have a blank checklist made up and keep it on hand. and when you've verified as many stations as I have and then see that they've added another field (i.e. # of pumps) you can't be bothered to go around all of them again and do that. It'll be worse for fields that most people don't feel are really important.

I don't mind adding some really important and useful field but you won't see me (or many others) trying real hard to get data on some field that's not that important.

that said, any control to further clarify an existing field is okay by me.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2011 12:22:25 AM


I want to loudly endorse the idea of 3 radio buttons to replace the check box for features.
An unchecked box is totally meaningless under the current system.
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manaknight14
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2011 3:17:32 PM

Yesterday I realized there is another checkbox we definitely need: off-road diesel. This is "dyed" diesel (it's red) that is used for machines and vehicles that do not drive on roads (for example: electric generators or farm tractors), and is cheaper than road diesel because no fuel tax is added to the price. We don't necessarily need to post prices for it since it's not a vehicle fuel, but there should absolutely be a checkbox for it.

Some other important checkboxes I've thought of since my earlier post:
*EV charger
*CNG pump (this is one we should have a price field for too)
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2011 1:33:42 PM

kwzh: I was being exuberantly ebulliant, not sarcrapstic (I made that up).

a5: GB would be rendering a valuable service to the motoring public by indicating where tank exchanges could be made, whether to merely cook burgers or to keep from freezing to death. As long as we taking the time to survey stations for propane, it couldn't be that much more of a task to list the results.

[Edited by: CampKohler at 11/29/2011 1:40:22 PM EST]
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a5
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2011 1:10:10 PM

CK is right, the cash/credit price info should be displayed in the price listing not hidden away in the MSL.

Three-way checkboxes would be nice, I don't see the need for too many checkboxes after all this is a site about gas prices not "find a bathroom/diaper/propane for my BBQ" site. What we need for any of these checkboxes to be really useful is the ability to filter the list of stations on any/all the fields.

Propane should not be selected if there is only tank exchange as I interpret the point of the checkbox to be for those whose cars run on propane, not for hunting propane for BBQs and/or campers.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2011 1:58:53 AM

CampKohler: I can't quite parse your comment, so it's unclear to me whether you're being facetious or serious, and whether you agree or disagree with my suggestion.
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manaknight14
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2011 8:31:15 PM

The two obvious ones have already been mentioned:

1. Enable separate price listings for regular price vs. discount price, and an indicator for what type of discount it is (cash, cash/debit, member price, price with car wash).
2. Disable posting prices for fuel grades the station does not sell.

Other ones I would suggest would be:

3. Allow for more than three grades of gasoline per station since some have more, and enable a way to indicate what the octane of each grade actually is (example: is the premium 91 at this station or 93?).
4. Enable price entry for E85 at stations that carry it.
5. Add a checkbox for kerosene.

[Edited by: manaknight14 at 11/10/2011 8:35:56 PM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2011 1:52:16 PM

Wow, now there's an idea! Rather than burying the CC info in the MSL, it should be displayed everywhere pricing is displayed, perhaps by printing "Cash=Credit".
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2011 12:47:34 AM

I was assuming that we'd still have simple two-way checks (or three-way radio buttons with "Unknown" allowed), and the main discussion here is *which* features are important enough to have.

There's already a checkbox for air.

I'd put a high priority on "station has separate prices for cash and credit".
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wx
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2011 8:11:28 PM

would there be option for air for tires? and if the unit is working or not?
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2011 1:54:56 PM

This subject has been a sore point for me ever since I joined, but I have seen nothing change in the MSL except for the pump count, which is probably the least important feature.

1) Yes/No/Unknown is the first change that should be made. The They don't have it/I don't know if they have it/I don't know if they don't have it situation is the height of silliness.

2) Propane: None/Tank Fill/Tank exchange

3) Food: None/Restaurant/Some fast food/Snacks

4) After hours fueling: Yes/No

5) Fueling hours: 24-7/_ to _

6) Auto Repair hours: None/24-7/_ to _

7) Baby supplies: None/Diapers/Full selection

You can probably think of some other necessities that, when you really need it, you are desparate.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2011 7:24:50 AM

The check boxes should translate to posting prices. What I mean is if diesel isn't checked for a station, you can't enter a diesel price for that station.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2011 12:18:06 AM

This is actually orthogonal to the main point of this thread, but I'm sure it's going to be raised anyway, so I'll do so now. The checkboxes currently are a two-state indicator: either the station has the attribute or it doesn't. Several people have suggested that it should be changed to a three-state indicator (using radio buttons rather than checkboxes) -- "Yes", "No", or "Unknown". Of course, "unknown" should be the initial state when the MSL entry is first created.
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