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JohnnyInSNJ

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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2011 3:32:40 PM

Now I would assume, that unless otherwise noted any prices listed should be cash prices. If I'm wrong please tell me. I notice that some trackers are listing Credit prices in gas buddy for places where Cash is a cheaper product. I even notice some listing Cash price as regular, then Credit price as mid grade when no mid grade price is available. One little check box or other marker type could designate a station (as not all are) that has a cash/credit difference.

That price difference in and of itself would be an interesting statistic to track over time.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2013 7:34:07 PM

FAQ currently states to post cash price, not credit price.
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wkearney99
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2013 8:43:42 AM

Several years and STILL no features within the apps to help deal with this situation? C'mon folks, get something going.

I have pretty much stopped putting data into the system because of this.
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20Yoleven
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Message Posted: May 25, 2011 8:53:32 AM


NEW and 'seasoned' MEMBERS: Take NOTE
This is also causing a problem in reporting accurate prices.

Many stations that charge extra for card use
also deploy their main, traditional 'Reg-Mid-Prem' price signs
in a misleading fashion, typically as follows:

--Reg. Cash Price
--Reg. Credit Price
--Prem. Credit Price

This often results not only in the Cash price being posted as
the 'primary' Reg. price (instead of the Reg. Credit price as
preferred by the site mods), but the Reg. Credit price is being
mistakingly posted as the MIDGRADE price, further misleading
other members searching for cheaper fuel in THAT grade.

SAFELY scrutinize these price signs, even though YOU don't
patronize these stations (often their prices are high, anyway).
If you can't, don't bother to post the prices if you're not sure
of the policies of that station.

ALWAYS post the CREDIT/DEBIT price (noting the CASH price in
the 'Comments' box, if you wish). Until the site owners unleash
new software to help eliminate this problem, this is about the
only method that produces solid, consistent, and accurate pricing
for ALL of us.

Thanks, and Good Luck!
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Jestersthrone
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2011 4:30:22 PM

The easiest solution to this is not a "Cash discount" check box, but another entry that states that a station charges more (or less in some cases) for credit, and possibly the amount that they do. This info could be put into the same area as all of the station features or somewhere more notable. This would solve most of the issues

1) The people who post prices from just driving by, their prices will now be accurate. Since this is their advertised price.

2) There would be no more or less fields to fill in to submit the gas price changes.

3) New members who don't know the rule to post the higher price wouldn't really have to worry about it.

If we also have the field to populate the price difference from advertised, yes it may take some time to get all stations covered, but I believe this is the simplest and possibly the most reasonable solution.
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JohnnyInSNJ
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2011 4:58:26 PM

In NJ, I haven't seen one that didn't specify it's price was cash or credit. Problem is when people do their "drive bys" you can see clear as day who is not really reading the signs. Even if you want to fix it you can't. You have 6 pieces of information and only 3 slots, and some how we expect thousands of gas buddy users to conform when no one has even told them what the standard is. I see it every day, now that I'm looking. This site is only about 80% accurate because of that.

You can't take a numeric measurement or create heat maps from comment lines.
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badbonita
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2011 8:46:48 AM

Most posters are grabbing prices as they drive by. If the stations don't mention if the price posted is cash or credit, how is the poster supposed to know?

The only possible way would be to stop at the station, buy some gas and then post it. The site would be not be as informative as it is with the only prices being posted being the ones from actual purchases.

There are some places when they say cash, they mean cash - not debit card.

Some posters get to know the local stations but just because it's a DiscoGas (I just made that up so if there is such a place, I'm unaware of it) that doesn't mean that the one on the south side of the city can't post his credit card prices and the one on the southwest side which is owned by a different operator may post his cash prices. No one can really know what each and every station does and that also doesn't mean that the station can't change their minds and do something different next month.

When we know, we tell. That's why we have the comments line.
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JohnnyInSNJ
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2011 2:33:36 PM

@TDI LOVER
That still solves nothing. There is still no format for accurately monitoring gas prices. Credit is not an accurate way of tracking "real" gas prices, nor is it even the gas price. One Joe charges .06 extra for credit, another Joe charges .30 extra for credit...but that's not the price of gas. That's a fee that Joe charges you if you don't want to use the universal cash. Therefore BOTH have to be listed. Someone might get upset that the price reported was not the price they found at the location (due to current confusion), but if that person knew they could mitigate their loss from .06 to .30 a gallon just by hitting an ATM first, well I think they would like to know that too.

Look, a lot of SHAME goes to Gas Buddy for this problem. Cash/Credit prices have differed for decades. The fact that Gas Buddy has not written this reality into their DNA and has even let the debate occur is at the very least puzzling. They need to add fields for the credit prices (or cash prices). NOT just add a "This station has a cash discount" check box…that's the cheap way out of this. This site is very competitive during gas price surges and I assure you, people will give accurate details and fill in every price if you give them the tools to do so. All you have now, is confusion and debate. And really there is no debate, everyone is right depending on what the gas station posts...people have no control. Not to mention the statistic of being able to measure the “credit price gouge” would be a nice one to see.
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TDI_LOVER
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2011 6:17:04 PM

@JohnnyInSNJ:
Well as you will see when you research this topic more, this is HIGHLY debatable.

Here is where I am coming from:
Where I live, it makes much more sense to post credit prices because, by far, the majority of prices listed in my area (or WA state for that matter) are all credit prices. Cash prices get listed MAYBE 5% of the time but when they do, they are virtually always accompanied with credit price.

I have been following another discussion about this where in Greenville, SC, apparently virtually all the big boards are actually CASH prices. Well I have never seen that and assumed that was by far a minority way to list prices in the US.

Regardless, if you read faq#16, it states:
"Most consumers use debit or credit cards when making purchases. We've had far too many complaints from people stating they've gone to a station only to find out they had to pay more than what was quoted on our site. That said, please post the price before the cash discount when possible. You can still provide the cash discount information, but please enter that information in the Comments field.

However, if the station does not accept credit cards and ONLY has a cash price - or the cash price is the ONLY price listed on the sign - please post that price but make sure you add a note stating "cash only" or "credit cards not accepted", in the Comments field."

Read it, learn it, live it, love it.
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gabiboo
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2011 3:22:40 PM

monaaaay
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gabiboo
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2011 3:22:28 PM

cash
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JohnnyInSNJ
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2011 5:20:54 PM

I agree it should be mentioned in the very beginning, but why use "Credit" as the price to state if applicable? Cash is universal, every station I know of takes cash, well except Sam's but it wouldn't matter because there is still only one price per gas grade. Kinda kills the accuracy factor.

I'll check out that thread as I can see this is not the first time this has come up.
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TDI_LOVER
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2011 3:00:13 PM

Wow this will be a never ending topic of discussion and debate. I think this very rule should be stated BIG AND BOLD when signing up a new account.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2011 8:28:21 PM

OK, from now on, for this subject, I am going to try to post a link back to a previous topic on the same subject. This would link them all together, with each topic linking back to the previous one.

NEW 'NET TERMINOLGY ALERT: "Breadcrumbing"

For the last topic on this subject, click here.
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Kirin
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2011 6:35:48 PM

The site FAQ (http://www.gasbuddy.com/faq.aspx#16) basically states that where there is a credit and cash price, you should be posting the credit price. You may note any cash discounts in the comments. If you are dealing with a cash only station, note that in the comments. I do agree that perhaps the submission area needs to state that you are supposed to put in the higher price, and comment variations, not make up your own schemes.
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