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contiki

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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 8:46:44 AM

Many Americans like to own and carry firearms ....have pemits to do so......

Do you really feel safer doing this practice.............

In Canada firearms are only carried by the police and the bad guys....

We in Canada find it so hard to believe Americans are so in need of firearms in the first place........

News reports have Americans even want to arm their teachers in the schools..

We as Canadians would not even consider doing anything like that.....

Canadians have grown up knowing the way to settle anything is not with a firearm.....so it isn't even a consideration...................

Please let me know how you see it.......

Again PLEASE keep it friendly.......the same matter in which it was posted........

I welcome your friendly comments on this issue......

[Edited by: contiki at 11/11/2013 8:48:27 AM EST]
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ragerunner
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2014 7:35:37 AM

I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need one and not have it
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 8:49:04 PM

Glad to see the topic has interest and that posters are saying what they really feel.......

Whether pro or con..................

[Edited by: contiki at 11/15/2013 8:49:38 PM EST]
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 2:26:17 PM

contiki, your last comment presumes that everyone has a choice to be or not to be where they are, e.g. in harm's way (yes, e.g. is a real, bona fide abbreviation (exempli gratia or 'for example') and bona fide are real words as well - I'll let you look that one up). You missed Jabba's point completely. Many people do not have a choice in where they live, go to school, go to church, go to the store. Others have those choices but may have to travel through dangerous areas to get to work or other reasons.

In order for me to get from one plant to another I must drive 15 minutes through a small, sometimes violent inner city. I don't have the choice, as you put it, "that before you ever think about going to these places thats if you want to in the first place...."

And what's with the many periods after each of your sentences? And in between your phrases? Are they supposed to mean something?
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Psycho Sid
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 2:07:13 PM

Mike, just because you live in the beautiful suburbs of Northwest MSP I don't think you're right. I open carry a 45 ACP in Detroit.

The Second Amendment, the original Homeland Security.

I'm with Jabba on this subject.

Come on down to Detroit, I'll show you what it's all about here. No fun and games...
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 1:44:18 PM

HI contiki,

I will give you the opinion of a non-gun owning American.
Personally, I don't feel the need to own let alone carry a weapon. I feel my neighborhood is safe and don't hunt any more, so to ME, there is no compelling reason to have a firearm at home.

On the other hand, I don't feel unsafe that my fellow Americans may be allowed to carry a weapon with the proper permit/training. It is assumed that they are responsible gun owners who might just be able to defuse a potentially dangerous situation if an insane person or some other thug is threatening someone else.

I do not condone the arming of teachers in schools, as I don't see most of them being of the proper mindset to react appropriately if there was a rampaging shooter on the loose. I'd much prefer trained policemen to handle something like that. However, if schools are easy targets due to no gun zones, then maybe the potential of having a few members of the staff dedicated to anti-terrorist take downs would be beneficial.



[Edited by: Zimcity at 11/15/2013 1:46:59 PM EST]
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 1:35:44 PM

Jabba not every place in America is like Detroit..........

I am sure there are many places that people feel safe in America......

Depressed area of most towns and cities are not safe in any country and you know that before you ever think about going to these places thats if you want to in the first place....

Why put yourself in harms way..........
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Jabba
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:03:36 PM

contiki needs to spend some time in urban Detroit where his subtle passive agressiveness and apologies to the street locals will most certainly have him feeling safe and understanding how Americans feel.......
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Jemac
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 7:54:44 PM

"Guns are a lot like parachutes ~ If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again"
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Jemac
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 12:37:14 PM

Contiki, depending on where you live in Canada, you may, or not have the mind-set about why people are “for”, or “against” guns. There are few that “sit on the fence” about guns. You will not change people’s minds, whichever way they think. We in America know that fact. We will fight with our lives, to keep our second amendment rights that have stood for over 237 years.

Many people in the USA against guns are gun-control minded people and try their best to remove the guns from the 99% of law-abiding citizens. Just because they are (either) afraid of guns, or live in a safe neighborhood (ha, they only think there are no criminals in their neighborhood), they are hell-bent on dictating their feelings to the rest of the 99% of law abiding citizens. Unfortunately there are many gun-control people in our government, usually left-leaning, who want total control (Socialistic) of our citizens. It’s not going to happen!

We in the USA know fully well what happens when governments persecute their unarmed citizens. We have been fully involved in too many foreign wars, losing over a half million young precious lives for the freedom of others. Millions of our soldiers, (who have not died), have lost limbs and struggle for the rest of their lives, because of them giving others their freedom.

We know in the USA, we are the protectors of liberty in the world, like it or not. The USA is one of the few that can travel with aircraft carriers to protect the innocent. (an example,… our carrier is now in the Philippians to help from the disastrous typhoon.)

Other countries “join” the USA to help fight terror, but cannot do what we alone can do. We are a freedom loving people in the USA, and we know “if we can’t keep our gun rights”, no one in the world will be able to keep their gun rights.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 10:50:54 AM

Thanks Jemac for your posting..........a good read for sure.....

I am learning about how Americans feel about this subject just what the site was intented to do in the first place............

I intended to make some points about my own personal feelings so I would learn about why guns are so important to many of the citizens of the USA......

I make no excuses but if you don't get people's attention on the subject you won't see how they really feel....thats my take on it anyway.....

In Canada the talk has always been about so many crimes in the States with guns and many Canadians wonder why guns are so easy to get in the States and the gun problems seem to go on and on.....

I am not trying to pit America against Canada is anyway and if it has seem to be that way than I am sorry and it was not the intention.....

I want to learn how Americans feel about this subject so us Canadians can properly understand your gun issue and why it is so important.........

Inquiring minds want to know...............

[Edited by: contiki at 11/14/2013 10:51:34 AM EST]
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Jemac
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 10:27:07 AM

Contiki, First, let me give you some information. My father came from Canada. My aunts and uncles ALL came from Canada. Penetanguishene, Barrie, Toronto, area’s. I somewhat know both sides of the story. I have 100's of relatives living in Canada.

First of all, Americans don’t pit the USA against Canada. We look at both countries as brothers and don’t look at Canada the same way as we look at other countries. Whether we get goods from Canada or the USA, we consider it the same.

YKnot05 is very correct in the facts of USA gun ownership. The giant majority of gun owners are either collectors or people that leave their guns at home for protection of the household members. Responsible people have their guns secured. No one can stop someone totally intent on stealing someone's guns at any cost.

In today's world, you can now make a working firearm with a 3D printer. I'm not sure you are aware of that. A Canadian, as well as an American can make a pistol in their home with a 3D printer, without even stealing one.

Contiki said: “People shouldn't think of their government as idiots because they are trying to be responsible to curb gun use and make it more responsible...”

Contiki, just because gun control people try to strip away one’s constitutional rights, given to them by the founders of the USA Constitution, doesn’t mean we can’t see what they are trying to do. You, being a strong gun-control person may have your opinion, but it surely isn’t the opinion of the majority of the freedom-loving people of the USA.

Most all shootings in the USA are from mentally disturbed people or gang members, not legal, responsible gun owners. You don’t punish the 99% of legal gun owners for the lapse in responsibility of controlling the mentally disturbed. Governments shouldn't be trying to take away the guns from the 99% of legal owners. Governments that control the citizenry are governments that are generally corrupt.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 10:26:29 AM

Sorry I was familiar will this word.........YKnot05..

The meaning is not that clear anyway..........

I have many Americans friends that find me very friendly and understand my {ENGLISH}language quite well when we talk.....

I am glad we don't find each others beliefs unfavourable when we have discussed them during our visits back and forth.......

YKnot05,I guess we will have to agree to disagree.........what can you do?......

Happiness is not letting others bothers you because they don't agree......
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:55:17 AM

Citizenry - just so you know.

Really? I have too much respect for my other Canucky friends to ask what language you speak up there because you are obviously not representative of them whatsoever. Not only in their command of the English language but also in the fact that their skin is quite a bit thicker and their intellect much stronger than yours. And I mean this in the friendliest, non-name-calliing way.



[Edited by: YKnot05 at 11/14/2013 9:59:08 AM EST]
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:41:55 AM

YKot05,Just so you know citizenry is not even a word.......
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:27:27 AM

One reason that this country, and by association, your country is so much safer from attacks on our shores is because our armed citizenry represents a potential army of militia approaching 10 Million, by far the largest army in the entire world.

What you said YKot05........Once again, you chose to interpret comments made in your own liberal manner. I did not, in any way, say that armed American citizens are protecting Canadians...... you did........

Your replies all reflect your negative and somewhat narrow view of the object and subject of this thread. Why don't you just come out and tell us what it is you want to hear? Maybe a fellow liberal can asuage your need for validation.

What does citizenry mean anyway.....never heard of this term before now....

If I didn't ask questions I would know why Americans feel the need for gun protection.....

I welcome comments from other posters rather just the views of things of Ykot05......as I know how he feels...........

Please keep your friendly comments coming...... friendly is the key.....

No name calling please.......

[Edited by: contiki at 11/14/2013 9:35:01 AM EST]
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:02:41 AM

Once again, you chose to interpret comments made in your own liberal manner. I did not, in any way, say that armed American citizens are protecting Canadians. Read my comments again for true content. Note the use of the phrase, "by association". Trust me, we have no desire to actively and intentionally protect you outright; you just benefit by our lifestyle.

And again I say that I don't think you have any desire to understand this subject from our point of view. You are beginning to show yourself as a hypocrite that you welcome our comments. Your replies all reflect your negative and somewhat narrow view of the object and subject of this thread. Why don't you just come out and tell us what it is you want to hear? Maybe a fellow liberal can asuage your need for validation.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:35:17 AM

One reason that this country, and by association, your country is so much safer from attacks on our shores is because our armed citizenry represents a potential army of militia approaching 10 Million, by far the largest army in the entire world. No one, and I mean NO ONE would be fool enough to mess with us. And you are very welcome to live under our protective umbrella.

That is hardly the truth at all about Canada being better off by American's armed citizens..............

Who would believe such no sense......American armed citizens protecting Canada....maybe America's armed forces but not your armed citizens.........

I sometimes thinks that some Americans who think this way are only wrapped up in their own importants..............

[Edited by: contiki at 11/14/2013 8:39:35 AM EST]
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:13:28 AM

contiki said, "No one has given a good reason for their gun ownership other than it their second ammendment to do so which answer nothing to why they feel they need to have a gun..............."

I posted a link to a great story to try to explain it to you but you have chosen to ignore it for some reason. Jemac has tried to explain to you, more accurately, the state of weapon ownership in Canada. You have chosen to ignore that. I don't believe that you are really interested in anyone's opinions that are not in line with yours. You have over generalized and simplified American's desire to own weapons. I do not believe that you are actually capable of understanding this because you are stuck in your liberal mindset, incorrectly believing it is the second amendment that drives gun ownership. You are also trying to paint a picture of Americans using guns in illegal ways as the norm, which it is not. Most Americans do NOT carry guns. Most Americans will never fire a gun in anger or defense. Most shootings are by criminals using illegal firearms, NOT law abiding citizens. Many, many millions of Americans own firearms for hunting (over 700,000 in my state of Pennsylvania alone), for collecting, for target shooting. One reason that this country, and by association, your country is so much safer from attacks on our shores is because our armed citizenry represents a potential army of militia approaching 10 Million, by far the largest army in the entire world. No one, and I mean NO ONE would be fool enough to mess with us. And you are very welcome to live under our protective umbrella.
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PAplott
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 7:28:15 AM

Yes, I do feel safer when carrying a gun.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 7:00:32 AM

We in the USA prize our second amendment gun rights and refuse to have our government idiots take it away from us. We are a world power “also because” our citizens don’t let our stupid gun control people take our rights from us.

What I see each night on the news in the States your second amendment on gun use is not very responsible......

All these guns being used......and not many people being responsible either...........

Some want to arm the teachers in the schools........

People shouldn't think of their government as idiots because they are trying to be responsible to curb gun use and make it more responsible...

It my view and please respect it......

Please be friendly with your commments..........whether you agree or not as this is a discussion only...

If I don't ask these question how will I understand why is so important to you Americans to own and carry a gun.......

I am still trying to find why people feel they need such protection by owning a gun..............is it the dangerous in your area.....

I feel no danger in my area of living to support a gun whatsoever......

No one has given a good reason for their gun ownership other than it their second ammendment to do so which answer nothing to why they feel they need to have a gun...............

Jemac, Many Canadians are gun collecters only and don't carry them around in public....lets make that clear right now.......

[Edited by: contiki at 11/14/2013 7:04:57 AM EST]
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Jemac
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 12:02:30 PM

You've got that right, WhiteRaven48..!!!
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WhiteRaven48
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 11:46:45 AM

A permit to carry is like a good car warranty. Best when never needed, yet nice insurance to have.
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Jemac
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 11:25:02 AM

Contiki, you are not fully informed on Canadian gun rules. As I noted in my last post, almost a third of Canadians own firearms and close to 90% of USA citizens own firearms. Canada generally has more restrictive gun rules (Big Brother syndrome) than most places in the USA but that doesn’t stop anyone from having a firearm if they want one and have the creditability for owning one. I shot pistol competition with Canadian pistol owning friends in Canada as noted in my last post.

We in the USA prize our second amendment gun rights and refuse to have our government idiots take it away from us. We are a world power “also because” our citizens don’t let our stupid gun control people take our rights from us.

You say “I just wonder why it is so different in the USA from what it is in Canada......”

There is little difference in the USA and Canada.

You are just not seeking deep enough for the information on owning firearms in Canada. If you want one, you can get one. Sure, it may be more restrictive than many places in the USA, but places like NYC, DC (District of Columbia) are very restrictive also.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:22:13 AM

I find the postings interesting......

We in Canada are not allowed firearms with a permit or without, yet I have always felt very safe wherever I have gone here across Canada.....

I find that the fear level is not there or why I needed a gun in the first place.......

I am not judging anyone I just wonder why it is so different in the USA from what it is in Canada...... maybe because the population is greater in the States than in Canada and that has something to do with it......I don't know..... maybe someone can explain why...

Is it the way in which we are brought up..... like I said I am not judging anyone, just curious...................
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 8:09:45 AM

contiki, no comment(s) on the link I posted?
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Hubba2107
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 2:28:37 AM

YES! Better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 2:05:02 AM

Good post Jemac.
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Jemac
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:32:40 PM

I’ve been around guns since I was 10 year’s old and have never mishandled them in all that time. I respect guns and had a N.Y. State concealed permit for 36 years when living in NY. I have never pulled a gun out for a disturbance, but did a lot of target and competition shooting, going over to Canada to shoot matches a few times in the 1970’s.

Guns in the hands of experienced responsible shooters are excellent, whereas guns in the hands of novices are generally dangerous. I’m a lifelong member of the NRA and would wish we had an even playing field where we could keep mentally compromised people from obtaining guns. The “gun control” people keep the playing field so tense, that there seems to be no way to sensibly have logical restrictions on firearms without losing our second amendment rights. Our gun rights were to protect us from our government overreach, as much as to have self protection. The world would have looked a lot different if Axis world powers ever thought they could have attacked the USA AND conquer its fully armed citizens.

I was a Military Policeman in the armed services and always respected the firearm. (I did pull the 45 out several times during my duties in the service). I had the opportunity to use it, but didn’t, even though I had a shotgun in my face and my firearm was pointing in the armed person’s gut. I was able to talk the person out of the shotgun, defusing the situation.

I don't want to get a concealed firearm permit here in Fla. as “big brother” is getting so crazy with this Obama administration, few people want to be listed down on paper. Here in Florida “any Floridian” can get a firearm (pistol) as long as they don’t carry it concealed (and no criminal record). They can carry it in their vehicles as long as they have it either in the glove box or another place where it would take one action to get to it.

Rate of gun ownership per 100 people

Canada – 30.8
USA – 88.8

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:07:49 PM

It is surprising how little Americans know about Canada...........

Back to topic...............

Many Americans like to carry firearms ....Do you really feel safer doing this practice...

I welcome your comments on the this topic of discussion....pros and cons...
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 4:45:35 PM

You're wasting your time contiki, the Lord gave Americans guns but forgot to include brains.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 4:30:32 PM

Sneakers55 says "At least us Americans had the common sense to revolt and get rid of the monarchy."

Sneakers55 just so you know about Canada........

Canada is a constitutional monarchy. Since 1534, when the King of France claimed possession of what is now Canada, the history of our country has been marked by the reigns of an uninterrupted succession of monarchs, both French and British, who have had a significant influence on our country's development.

Under the Crown, Canada developed first as a colony of two empires, originally the French and subsequently the British, then as an independent dominion, and now as an entirely sovereign nation. The Crown occupies a central place in our Parliament and our democracy, founded on the rule of law and respect for rights and freedoms; the Crown embodies the continuity of the state and is the underlying principle of its institutional unity.

The Crown is fused to all three branches of government. The Prime Minister, as head of the Executive, is the Governor General's principal advisor; the Crown is also a constituent element of Parliament, with the Senate and the House of Commons; and finally, all decisions made by the courts are given in the Crown's name.

The most important characteristic of Canada's constitu-tional monarchy has been its ability to adapt to changing conditions over the course of our evolution from colony to nation. In the Senate Foyer and the Salon de
la Francophonie hang the portraits of the kings and queens in whose names our laws have been, and continue to be, enacted.

Sneakers55 I hope you understand Canada a little better now.....



[Edited by: contiki at 11/12/2013 4:31:37 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 3:42:53 PM

I'd rather have a gun and not need it than to need one and not have it. Just my POV.
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 10:57:05 AM

Read this and then tell me again what you think.
Remember, his wife and kids were there too.
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 3:32:56 AM

I certainly do feel safer carrying my gun, and have the experiences to prove that I was lucky that I had it. People die in cars more than getting shot, but I don't hear a cryout to do away with cars. People commit suicide by jumping off tall buildings, don't hear about limiting building heights.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 10:04:01 PM

On Nov 11, 2013 10:19:40 AM, contiki wrote:

>Canada tried to start a registry for gun collecters but it fail because many collectors
>felt it was nothing more than a money grab and never supported it........

Government of Canada? Money-grabbing? Say it isn't so!

At least us Americans had the common sense to revolt and get rid of the monarchy.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 9:58:22 PM

Those that feel safer with a gun should consider the statistic that a gun is more likely to be used in an accidental shooting or a suicide than self-defense.

I've had two suicides (one by gun, the other by cop but the person involved was shooting at the police) and a fatal gun accident in my father's family.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 11:19:40 AM

I expected some posters would say what they feel about this issue whether pro or con..........

I am curious about how this interest you the posters one way or another..

Not judgeing, more curious, since our country Canada doesn't allow Canadians to carry firarms with or without a permit.........

Canada tried to start a registry for gun collecters but it fail because many collecters felt it was nothing more than a money grab and never supported it........
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