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Pard

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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 7:53:36 AM

There is an argument going around in my family whether or not vaccinations are good or not. One camp says they are necessary, the other says as long as you eat right, exercise and keep fit, you keep your immune system strong and don't need them.

So GB's, what say you?
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snirt
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 1:54:19 AM

no, don't trust the government and they are pushing them
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tckayaker
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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 12:42:45 AM

yes you should get them for sure..
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 1:50:25 PM

Don't have choice
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GBGuy
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:56:58 PM

Yes!
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63pioneer
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 10:49:35 AM

NAY!
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HELLRAZOR
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 3:54:04 PM

Wonder how true this is?
Anybody?
Video Report: Shingles Vaccine Gives You Shingles!
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BayleeBuggy
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 9:02:16 AM

Most of the controversy recently has been started by one Brit doctor - all of his "research" has been discredited, but some don't pay attention to the facts.

I do have a book about all of this, and heard the author speak - I'll look for it and post his name and the title.
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LonghornBubba
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 7:39:24 AM

yes
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jes
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 7:23:39 AM

yea
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steffy628
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 7:21:49 AM

Yes
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JoeKing
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 5:51:05 AM

No
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:03:36 PM

On Jan 30, 2013 10:03:21 PM, HELLRAZOR wrote:

>Bill Gates Depopulation

Thank you for giving me another reason to boycott Microsoft.

And if Bill Gates is so much in favor of depopulation, then why did he have three kids?
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Pard
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 9:37:59 PM

I remember as a kid, seeing film clips of kids in leg braces or iron lungs, and I looked with reverence and awe at that little sugar cube with the vaccine on it, and thought what miraculous stuff it was, that could prevent polio.
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Baron62nd
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 4:24:57 PM

Ditto, playtime.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 4:02:05 PM

She's a knothead, Pard, totally so.

I'll never forget when we got our polio vaccinations when we were kids. What a solemn time that was. It was something that we waited for for so long and it was just an amazing thing to see - in our lifetime, no more polio.

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playtimeCLE
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:32:46 AM

No. I got them when I was in the military, but have not gotten them sence. Ive not noticed a difference.
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Pard
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:07:52 AM

Got this from my niece today, she is really pushing the no-vaccine thing. To read this, you'd think that vaccines were the worst thing perpetrated on an unsuspecting and sheep-like populace. I do not agree with this article, but I've not researched it.

Why Vaccines Are Bad For Your Health
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SheetzzzRulezzz
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 11:14:13 PM

never & I'm never sick.
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luvmyburgi
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 11:10:36 PM

yes
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HELLRAZOR
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 11:03:21 PM

Bill Gates Depopulation
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HELLRAZOR
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:46:08 PM

Bill Gates: Use Vaccines To Lower Population
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roxanebay
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:45:43 PM

no, not for me
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HELLRAZOR
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:42:52 PM

Old news....
Bill Gates funds covert vaccine nanotechnology
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is gaining a reputation for funding technologies designed to roll out mass sterilization and vaccination programs around the world



[Edited by: HELLRAZOR at 1/30/2013 10:43:37 PM EST]
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 4:49:23 PM

Pard, who is saying all this?? Our side or his?
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CGrover
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 12:53:04 PM

They keep saying it isn't too late to get your shot. If you haven't, go get it!
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BayleeBuggy
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:55:34 AM

I think the more important aspect of this topic is the refusal to vaccinate kids against major illnesses -- lots of diseases have been able to regain a higher rate of infection because of parents' refusal to treat their children as well as they should.

A discredited British physician supposedly "found" a link between vaccinations and autism, and that triggered a paranoia about all vaccines.
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LonghornBubba
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:50:27 AM

No for me.I believe in eating right and most importantly washing your hands.
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cherrylynn18
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:06:05 AM

I got the following from the CDC website. If you are worried about side effects then the shot seems to be the better option. Getting the vaccine at all is your choice. Like I said before, I have been very luck and never had the vaccine and I have never had the flu. I hope that helps.

Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
Different side effects can be associated with the flu shot and LAIV.
The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:

•Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
•Fever (low grade)
•Aches
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days. Almost all people who receive influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it. However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. As of July 1, 2005, people who think that they have been injured by the flu shot can file a claim for compensation from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).

The nasal spray (also called LAIV or FluMist®): The viruses in the nasal-spray vaccine are weakened and do not cause severe symptoms often associated with influenza illness. (In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely.)
In children, side effects from LAIV (FluMist®) can include:

•runny nose
•wheezing
•headache
•vomiting
•muscle aches
•fever
In adults, side effects from LAIV (FluMist®) can include

•runny nose
•headache
•sore throat
•cough
More information about the safety of flu vaccines is available at Influenza Vaccine Safety.

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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:28:58 AM

doc, I had a very similar sitcheation when I was 34. I had just started a new job, new company and had not, for the first time in whoknowswhen, gotten a flu shot that year.

Three days after starting I was out for 2 entire weeks with diagnosed flu. I'm gambling a bit this year as I only got my shot this past Saturday and it takes about 2 weeks for strong antibodies.
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BayleeBuggy
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 10:33:29 PM

I have had just about every vaccine going (except for flu, sorry Doc!), even though I have also had batches of diseases that most people don't have to get any more.

And I also know someone who feels that vaccines are bad news. The worst part is that she does have two small children, and as far as we know they have not been vaccinated. She lives in California, but only one of the kids was born in a yurt.

The worst part of the movement is that they think there is a danger - NOT PROVEN! - so they avoid subjecting their kids to that "danger" - BUT they count on the fact that almost everyone else is vaccinated, so the risk for them is reduced since the overall population has a high level of protection.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 10:16:28 PM

You would be on the "yea" side if you lost an uncle to a vaccine-preventable disease as I have. And as to thimerosal, just get the single-dose preservative-free shots.
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Pard
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 4:49:22 PM

(Hey, doc!)!!!!!!!!!!

Kinda looks like there are more yeas than nays. I am in agreement with the yeas.
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 4:20:21 PM


I've had the flu exactly ONCE in my lifetime of almost 80 years. That was during the ONE year when I didn't get my flu shot. Tell you what, Folks, when you're 23 and you have a fever of 105 and you're too weak to even hold your head up, you WILL manage to think about getting a flu shot "next year." I got mine this year, as usual, then, six weeks or so later, I felt like doggy doo for a few days, BUT I was able to get it on and do what I needed to do.

So my advice is DON'T get a flu shot if you're a moron --- if, however, your synapses are actually in contact with each other, DO!

(Hey, Pard!)
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TechGuy8
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 1:27:44 PM

yes
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Pard
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 11:39:20 AM

She isn't a parent, but she does have a lot to say on the subject. I totally agree with what you said, and I am old enough to remember friends of mine with polio. I suffered through mumps, measles, German measles, chickenpox, all of that. My mom had whooping cough, which did her damage. All of these are preventable now with vaccines. And smallpox doesn't exist!

This family member has a lot to say about not eating anything with sugar, etc., but I think it's mostly idealism. Once she has kids, she may find out that some answers aren't as simple as she thought.
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 11:09:04 AM

That is a shame, Pard. How a parent could gamble with their child's health and their very lives is beyond me. I am afraid that there is no vaccine nor cure for ignorance. I wonder what other risky health decisions this parent is making. Remind your relative that all food contains chemicals. Water contains chemicals. The air we breathe contains chemicals. Vitamins and minerals contain chemicals.

"But she is only against man-made chemicals". BS. They are made from the same atoms and molecules as natural chemicals. Look back 150 years ago at the life expectancy of Americans. They lived natural lives; no vaccines, all organic food, few if any man made chemicals and in most cases, lots of exercise and good outdoor air. Yet their life expectancies were almost half of what they are today.

There is no fact based argument that can be made for not immunizing your kids or for shunning all chemicals. Only emotional arguments that don't hold water.

[Edited by: YKnot05 at 1/15/2013 11:09:42 AM EST]
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Pard
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 9:37:23 AM

The crusader (in my family) who is against shots, means ALL shots. I heartily disagree. She objects to the thimerosol in them, which is a preservative, and she just doesn't think that 'putting chemicals inside your body' (her words) is a good thing. Thimerosol is a mercury compound, but hasn't been used in childhood vaccines since 1999.
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 9:08:26 AM

YK, clap clap clap. GREAT answer. Facts are always a good thing.

I am 47, and have been getting the flu shot for about 40 years. I have never gotten sick from the flu shot, and I have never had the flu. Guess my rate is better than cherry's so far.

I think the people that get sick from the flu shot, are getting sick, but they are not getting the flu. Totally different illnesses.

Maybe add washing your hands frequently, and a few other personal hygiene habits could help lower your risk for getting the flu also. And, keeping your immune system strong helps some too.

I am a type 1 diabetic, so my immune system is lower than others, and that is why I am recommended to get the flu, and I do.
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YKnot05
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 9:00:03 AM

Which vaccinations are you referring to? All, including childhood vaccinations? If so, only a fool would not get their infants/children vaccinated. If you are asking only about the flu shot, I have heard all kinds of crazy, misinformed reasons for not getting it but to say that eating right, exercise and keeping fit will keep you immune from the flu would be just about the craziest, most misinformed reasons yet.

It is impossible to "get" the flu from a flu shot. The virus in the vaccine is dead as a doornail. It is possible to have a reaction to the shot for various reason, mostly to do with egg allergies. The people that get the flu after getting the flu shot are unlucky. First of all, it takes 2 weeks to develop the protective antibodies so for the first 2 weeks you are not protected. Also, no vaccine is 100% effective. The vaccine this year is very good but the flu strains are much worse. This year's vaccine is about 63% effective.

According to the CDC (google flu and go to the CDC to learn the real facts) from 3,000 to 49,000 people are Killed by the flu every year. This epidemic will see the results on the higher side. How lucky do you feel?
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cherrylynn18
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 8:42:53 AM

I will be 28 next month and I have never had the flu nor have I ever had the flu shot. Some of my family members decided to get the flu shot this year and ended up sick. My understanding is the the flu shot contains the flu with the vaccine. All I know is that I will pass. As far as eating right and being healthy; I do not fall in that category.
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