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contiki

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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 10:49:38 PM

Small cars don't always deliver the best fuel economy. Here's what does...

You don't have to cram into a compact car to get good gas mileage. In fact, three popular midsized sedans we've recently tested get the same or better mileage than any non-hybrid, non-diesel small car. Despite attractive sticker prices, econoboxes are often not the best choice.

The most fuel-efficient, five-passenger economy car with an automatic transmission that we've tested is the Toyota Yaris, which gets 32 mpg overall. But we've recently tested three mainstream midsized sedans that do just as well or better: the Honda Accord (30 mpg overall), Nissan Altima (31 mpg overall), and Mazda6 (32 mpg overall).

Small sedans don't do much better. The most frugal models--the Toyota Corolla and Mazda3 Skyactiv--also get 32 mpg overall. The Ford Focus gets 31, but only with its special $495 Special Fuel Economy package. Other small cars get between 26 and 29 mpg.


Small cars don't always deliver the best fuel economy. Here's what does...

It seems to me, spend a little more and get a midsize sedan with these vehicles giving such great fuel economy plus you get great comfort besides........

How to you see it......tell me what you think and would consider one of these midsize vehicle in your next purchase...............



[Edited by: contiki at 4/11/2013 10:51:38 PM EST]
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 8:59:18 AM

Its a toss up. The old compact was a good fit, especially for a personal car. While the new midsize benefits from much better handling, better ride, and more modern amenities, not to mention much better highway mileage.

I would choose the mid-size for the comfort,ride and the other benifits as a compact has it's good features but a mid-size is has more to offer......

Some would say you buy what you can afford which we all know that......

If it is affordable the mid-size vehicles mention in this report would be worth looking at and test driving if they are to your satifaction.....
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 7:27:40 AM

Hemond says " I've discovered major differences. The compact is much more confidence inspiring. You really notice the lack of bulk around you. You know where the fenders end, where the trunk ends. Braking is a whole lot better as there is much less bulk to stop. You feel more at ease zipping around in tight traffic and slipping into tight parking spots."

Hemond, I understand what you meaning is because I feel the same driving my wife's Civic compared to my Honda Accord..............
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 8:33:16 AM

I've always had compact cars, but my latest vehicle is a mid-size sedan. Although on the small end of the that spectrum.

I've discovered major differences. The compact is much more confidence inspiring. You really notice the lack of bulk around you. You know where the fenders end, where the trunk ends. Braking is a whole lot better as there is much less bulk to stop. You feel more at ease zipping around in tight traffic and slipping into tight parking spots.


My compact got a solid 30mpg no matter what. Whether tooling around town or on a long distance trip, it gave 30. My sedan, with a bigger engine, gives much better highway mileage - 34mpg. But when running around town it gives 25mpg. A distinct difference.

I often carry stuff and the new car has a much bigger trunk with fold down rear seats, so hauling capacity is much improved. But thats not saying much as my compact was always able to haul anything I wanted. Sometimes it required clever loading but I was never forced to borrow a truck.


Its a toss up. The old compact was a good fit, especially for a personal car. While the new midsize benefits from much better handling, better ride, and more modern amenities, not to mention much better highway mileage. Also my occasional passengers appreciate the added room. They always complained before how small my old cars was inside.





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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 6:23:15 AM

I think these mid-size vehicles mentioned on the report are worth taken a good look at and test drive if you are looking for a vehicle.....

These vehicles give great gas mileage if you are looking for a vehicle with comfort and ride that is not a compact vehicle.......

People buy what they can afford which makes sense to most people but I am sure many motorists who can afford these vehicles will check them out..........

[Edited by: contiki at 5/10/2013 6:26:47 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 8:12:21 AM

"I would think that many posters would agree that if it is affordable you would buy the mid-size vehicles mention in this report over a compact...."

People get what they need and can afford - regardless of your opinion.

"First, aerodynamics. Larger, longer sedans give more room for air to flow smoothly off the back of the car than shorter models. That reduces drag on the highway."

Areodynamics don't help in city traffic where compacts have the advantage over mid-sized sedans.

"Secondly, automakers can charge more for larger cars..."

Exactly - hence the point from my previous post...
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 7:21:58 AM

Taken from the report:

So what's going on?

Two things: First, aerodynamics. Larger, longer sedans give more room for air to flow smoothly off the back of the car than shorter models. That reduces drag on the highway.

Secondly, automakers can charge more for larger cars, giving them latitude to add the latest fuel-efficiency technology that may not be cost-effective to put on smaller cars, such as hybrid systems and direct fuel injection.

So far, the trend of midsized cars getting the same fuel economy as smaller ones applies only to sedans. Smaller SUVs still tend to get better fuel economy than larger ones.

I would still pick the mid-size vehicle if I was needing a new vehicle...

I would think that many posters would agree that if it is affordable you would buy the mid-size vehicles mention in this report over a compact.....


[Edited by: contiki at 5/9/2013 7:27:28 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 6:48:40 PM

"I recall how surprised I was when the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice came out and the EPA highway mpg ratings were 28 mpg. I thought that was really low for such small cars."

I wouldn't have been too surprised since they might have had more agressive engines, etc given their 'look'.
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 6:26:04 PM

I recall how surprised I was when the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice came out and the EPA highway mpg ratings were 28 mpg. I thought that was really low for such small cars.
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 3:38:32 PM

"I would be checking them out rather than buying a small car......"

People should buy what they want, not what others tell them to buy. If your needs are met by a smaller vehicle then go for it.

Smaller vehicles might not have a huge difference over a midsize sedan when it comes to fuel economy but there is a difference in the sticker price of the car. Keep that in mind as well.
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 6:45:32 AM

metalhat73, My son owns a Yaris and really like it......
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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 1:15:47 PM

Yaris needs a cvt or 2 extra cogs and it could achieve near 40 combined mpg. Too many sub-compacts get a 4-speed auto too keep costs down. Just read the Chevy Spark will get a CVT in 2014 and return a 40mpg combined.
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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 6:21:41 AM

These mid-size sedan mention in the article are worth checking out if you are looking for a new vehicle and good mileage.....

I would be checking them out rather than buying a small car......

Comfort and a good ride you will get from these mid size vehicles....
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 10:19:30 AM

Good Morning Alexi7,

I agree the Ford 302 cubic inch engine was and "amazing motor". You mentioned your 1987 Lincoln Town Car. I almost bought a 1984 Lincoln Town Car when I bought the Mercury Grande Marquis LS in 1984, but it was $3,000 more and had fewer options. Both were great vehicles -- pure class :-).

Take care - MGY
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 8:10:42 AM

Titanic: It's amazing what these big cars do. My '87 Lincoln Town Car get 22-24 mpg in daily driving and 25-27 mpg on trips. That Ford 302 is a plain amazing motor.
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 7:16:14 AM

Hemond says " I believe we have left behind the unfortunate era of the SUV fad. Yes, what you describe did occur but thankfully the worst of the SUV excess seems history."

I think many posters would agree with you.............
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:37:03 AM

::::But a tiny person driving a huge SUV with no practical reason says sucker to me.:::


I believe we have left behind the unfortunate era of the SUV fad. Yes, what you describe did occur but thankfully the worst of the SUV excess seems history.

The fad hit me in the head one Sunday morning. I rode down to the local cafe for a coffee and bagel in my trusty Corolla. I was the only sedan in the lot. It was a sea of SUVs. The heaviest things these suburban SUVS would ever carry is when Biff brought a latte and croissant back to Muffy at their McMansion.

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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:09:33 AM

The Corolla is right for me. I'm getting about 33.5 mpg, and rarely have to accommodate more than 1 passenger. I say get the car you need. If you are an enormous person, the Corolla is not going to be right for you. If you drive in rough country you might need a 4wd. If you drive in rough country and need to haul a lot of stuff around with you an SUV might be right for you. But a tiny person driving a huge SUV with no practical reason says sucker to me. Not just because that person has probably given in to car advertising, but also because I know they're shelling out way too much money for fuel. It also says they don't give a damn about the environment or wasting our tax dollars to maintain the infrastructure they destroy at a faster rate than necessary.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:34:42 AM

I would rather own a mid-size vehicle and would consider one on this report if I was buying another vehicle........

These mid-size automobiles are giving great gas mileage and comfort as well...
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 2:18:11 PM

Sorry dude but you're all wet on this one. I bought a used 2003 corolla (1.8L with an automatic) to use as a commuter car. Over the last 8 months, figuring in all miles driven and all gas purchased during that time, it has averaged 37.4 mpg. This was done on a communte of 65 miles each way over hilly terrain.

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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 1:56:26 PM

Hi Weaslespit,

Yes, I totally agree with you. In the case of the Chevrolet Sonic automatic, it actually shifts into neutral at a stop light and drops the RPMS to 750 (slightly higher with the air-conditioner on). There is no indication of this to the driver, except for the RPM gauge.

I did own a highway cruiser, a 1984 Mercury Grande Marquis LS fully loaded and it did do well on the highway with a 302 Cubic Inch engine. I also owned an LTD (the small version) with a six cylinder engine and that got 32 MPG on the road.

It really gets down to vehicle design and/or purpose and driving sensibly. I was hoping not to get involved in the non-ethanol issue, but that too plays a role.

Since I used to work in a garage, I appreciate what lack of maintenance and poor driving habits can do to a vehicle, no matter what the brand or the type. Sure there are bad designs, and EPA has been a paper tiger in enforcing some of these outrageous mileage claims.

Yes, we do agree :-). MGY
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 1:26:32 PM

"Frankly it hates stop-and-go traffic as it is geared extremely low in the first two gears (6-speed automatic)."

To be fair, the only cars I know that 'love' stop-and-go traffic are EV's (and some hybrids). Heavy sedans fare even worse in said traffic with that much more weight to accelerate.

Perhaps I got too specific; I maintain that the benefit of the smaller car over the larger sedan is when used for driving primarily in the city, not the highway. This is not to say that smaller cars can't achieve good fuel efficieny on the highway but rather to point out that larger sedans can also get close to the same efficiency when cruising.
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 11:54:00 AM

Hi contiki,

You've got a good Topic going here and, frankly, I'm enjoying the many responses.

One thing that seems to be left out of many responses is how one drives whatever vehicle they choose to own. There is no hard fast rule as to your mileage as each car is designed differently, but using common sense in accelerating and decelerating sure saves wear and tear on the vehicle and gives you decent mileage.

As you mentioned about me earlier buying a fleet (I love that comment :-) ) all of my vehicles are at the top end of the EPA sticker rating or exceed it. It would be unfair of me to say I am a great driver or that the vehicles are out of the ordinary. If you become well acquainted with your vehicle, you learn where it is happiest in regards to MPG. I do live in the country where stop & go are minimized and I do use non-ethanol gasoline, but there is more to it than that.

Weaselspit has made many good comments on this thread, but this one "The benefit of small cars is not fuel efficiency when cruising on the highway, it is in the stop-and-go traffic of the cities (hence the higher city mpg ratings)" does not apply to my 2012 Chevy Sonic. Frankly it hates stop-and-go traffic as it is geared extremely low in the first two gears (6-speed automatic). On the highway the best mileage is at 55 MPH. My newest addition, a 2010 Ford Ranger has gotten 24.7 MPG & 24.8 on the first two tanks of fuel. I've found that driving it over 65 MPH reduces the mileage and increases the engine's RPMs.

I've been able to meet or exceed the EPA ratings of my many vehicles with routine maintenance and an understanding of what/why they were designed for. A Ford Ranger pickup, even with a 2.3L 4-cylinder engine, could never be expected to go much beyond it's 25 MPG Highway rating. The Chevy Sonic has the most radical MPG of any vehicle I've owned, but that is due to a 6-speed automatic trying to keep the torque curve as even as possible.

My wife's newly acquired 2011 Toyota Matrix is topping 31 MPG on her daily commute to work with ethanol 87 Octane (E-10). The previous vehicle, a 2007 Dodge Caliber was EPA'ed at 31 MPG and never got past 24 MPG (converting to the 2008 EPA rating reduced the 31 MPG Highway to 26 MPG).

I like blueenvoy's comment, "Buy what you can afford, what does what you need to do and what make you happy with your ride." That says it all :-).

Take care - MGY



[Edited by: Titanic1985 at 5/1/2013 11:56:56 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 10:40:37 AM

:::: Used '12 Chevy Impalas can be had for much less than a new Ford Focus and the Impala is rated 30 mpg highway thanks to its super-tall gearing. And with 300 hp, won't be many cars leaving you in the dust. :::


This new '14 Impala is remarkable. Disregarding the silly Volt, the whole Chevy lineup, the Impala along with the Malibu, plus the Cruze and the Sonic shows a Chevy product stream which is truly unbeatable.

Too bad so many self hating Americans refuse to consider an American car. Just read many of the posters comments here on GB. Chevy discontinued the old style Impala for this new beauty, and it is mouth watering.

The Impala is wisely making use of the Hamtramck assembly line - Along with the Malibu. A line which otherwise has gone idle with the frequent Volt plant shut downs.
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 9:52:24 AM

"Used '12 Chevy Impalas can be had for much less than a new Ford Focus and the Impala is rated 30 mpg highway thanks to its super-tall gearing. And with 300 hp, won't be many cars leaving you in the dust. That's just one example that comes to mind..."

The benefit of small cars is not fuel efficiency when cruising on the highway, it is in the stop-and-go traffic of the cities (hence the higher city mpg ratings).

That, and they tend to cost less up-front compared with like model years (new vs. new or used vs. used). Comparing new vs. used is never a fair fight...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 5/1/2013 9:58:27 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 7:01:37 AM

I think to a degree you are correct,tiki. Used '12 Chevy Impalas can be had for much less than a new Ford Focus and the Impala is rated 30 mpg highway thanks to its super-tall gearing. And with 300 hp, won't be many cars leaving you in the dust. That's just one example that comes to mind...
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 6:42:49 AM

Hemond, I disagree with you that Consumer Reports is just entertainment...

I have follow Consumer Reports for many years and I am a member for many years and have selected purchases based on their advice and have been very happy with my purchases.....

Consumer Reports does fine testing on their automobiles....

If I was into buying a new vehicle now I would look into what Consumer Reports has to say about that vehicle I was interested in, along with my test driving of that automobile........

Many posters will agree with Consumer Reports when it favour their product yet find fault when Consumer Reports doesn't.......

I take whatever Consumer Reports has to say about any product and still make up my own mind on it but they are a help.......

Sorry Hemond but you and I disagree here.............................
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 11:59:57 AM

DHomz ::::How can they post a 39 mpg rating highway on the Elantra???:::...Some of these numbers are a bit inflated I'd say.:::


Yeah, the thing with Consumer Reports is they are mostly for entertainment. The areas where I'm expert in which they've done reports have made me go spastic. Two examples are audio equipment and computers. CR literally doesn't know what they are talking about in those 2 areas. They give absolutely idiotic, nonsense reviews on at least those two areas.

If they are that bad with the things I know plenty on, I suspect they stink in many areas. They are really only good for the most basic rudimentary writeups. And I would take 100% of what they say with an ocean of salt.
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 9:41:26 AM

"How can they post a 39 mpg rating highway on the Elantra??? My co-worker has a 2012 Elantra, she drives it nothing but highway, at 105 km/h (65 mph) and can barely hit 34 mpg.

Also, my boss drives a 2012 Passat TDI and gets about 43 mpg highway, a far cry from the 51 mpg stated here! Some of these numbers are a bit inflated I'd say."

Thus my point to 'tiki that all advertising is a spin on the truth - regardless of the product (much less a specific automaker).
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 8:29:42 AM

How can they post a 39 mpg rating highway on the Elantra??? My co-worker has a 2012 Elantra, she drives it nothing but highway, at 105 km/h (65 mph) and can barely hit 34 mpg.

Also, my boss drives a 2012 Passat TDI and gets about 43 mpg highway, a far cry from the 51 mpg stated here! Some of these numbers are a bit inflated I'd say.
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 7:04:41 AM

So what's going on?

Two things: First, aerodynamics. Larger, longer sedans give more room for air to flow smoothly off the back of the car than shorter models. That reduces drag on the highway.

Secondly, automakers can charge more for larger cars, giving them latitude to add the latest fuel-efficiency technology that may not be cost-effective to put on smaller cars, such as hybrid systems and direct fuel injection.

So far, the trend of midsized cars getting the same fuel economy as smaller ones applies only to sedans. Smaller SUVs still tend to get better fuel economy than larger ones.

We're happy to see consumers have a choice of larger sedans that get excellent fuel economy, with prices typically starting in the low to mid $20,000 range. Not only are they more comfortable and versatile, midsized sedans also safer in accidents, all other things being equal.

The real takeaway is to do your research, and not make assumptions based on size or even powertrain. Spending a few minutes checking our ratings may point you to a better car and a better value.

Taken from the report by Consumer Reports.......

I support what Consumer Reports has to say...................

[Edited by: contiki at 4/30/2013 7:11:21 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:33:46 AM

waynecz,I agree with your comment......
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 9:59:24 PM

I agree, I have a Honda Accord my son drives, and a Nissan Altima that my daughter drives - some of these wee little cars are crazy with their price tags and lack of gas mileage for their size
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 9:21:12 PM

"I think more motorists want real positive facts from automakers not what some automakers want to spin in their marketing........."

You think? I believe most people would like world peace and elimination of hunger... Unfortunately the world deal in reality where people are greedy and corruptible. It would be nice if we could take a salesman's word on everything they said about a car they were selling too.

Again - this has nothing to do with any specific car maker, despite how much you would like to make it so.

"14smoke, you make a very good point with your comment....."

So then why do you continue to push anti-D3 comments thus fueling the fire? All automakers make good cars. Period.


[Edited by: Weaslespit at 4/29/2013 9:26:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 1:26:59 PM

14smoke, you make a very good point with your comment.....
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 12:34:35 PM

How did a conversation about mpg turn into a conversation about sales? Never mind, I'm sick of the foreign vs. domestic sales numbers...it's boring.
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 11:07:13 AM

"Prius is hardly mid-size vehicle......by any means....." - contiki

I guess contiki is right and the world, including Toyota, are wrong....LOL:

Prius ranks 8 of 18 in affordable midsize cars[L=http://][/L]

Toyota Prius ultimate guide to 50mpg mid size hatch back
Toyota.com "mid size hybrid"
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 6:53:14 AM

Prius is hardly mid-size vehicle......by any means.....

Rental companies know the difference..........................
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 11:51:22 AM

"Prius is a midsize car"

Only in the eyes of the rental companies.
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 10:09:00 AM

:::Malibu sales have been very diaappointing for GM against the above mention Asian vehicles......
:::


Agree, sales suck on the Malibu. It seems only taxi-cab companies love it. If the car wasn't so iconic they'd cancel it. Nonetheless. My experience with them has been in the real world, on real highways with a realistic mix of city/highway/mountain driving.

I drive a lot of rental cars and keep extensive records on mileage. The Malibu has been a superb gas sipper. Plus its a hoot to drive on twisty mountain roads and at high speed. This baby is poised, balanced and has a large fun/dollars quotient. All while delivering great mileage - well over 30mpg.

Conversely, I had a Corolla rental recently while on a trip between Reno and Sacramento. Over the Donner Pass in the Sierras . The Corolla was not fun to drive, especially in blizzard conditions. Some grossly disturbing characteristics including unstable braking. I've personally owned 2 older Corollas and was surprised by the odd braking on this new model. I'm going to give benefit of the doubt here and attribute a poor tire selection, not the car itself.
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 8:40:49 AM

Penalty box cars are just that regardless of their mpg
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 8:16:58 AM

But we've recently tested three mainstream midsized sedans that do just as well or better: the Honda Accord (30 mpg overall), Nissan Altima (31 mpg overall), and Mazda6 (32 mpg overall). These mid-size automobiles are giving pretty good gas mileage...........

Malibu is even a consideration in this report......

I know what you got for mileage yet the report doesn't show Malibu doing as well.....

Sorry Hemond.......you might like the car but it isn't much completition for the ones mention above.....

Malibu sales have been very diaappointing for GM against the above mention Asian vehicles......



[Edited by: contiki at 4/28/2013 8:23:02 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 8:00:05 AM

Have recently had some late model Focuses on trip rentals. I got 42 mpg. 75% highway. These are superb small cars. Perfect for 1 person. Quiet, excellent highway manners, sports car handling, solid value. NOt sure on roominess in the back seat. I'm going to start paying more attention to that in rentals in the future.

If you are interested in a mid size, then the Malibu is another choice pick. I get 32mpg or more with them. They have some sort of sport submodel , not sure of its name which comes with far superior handling and a better transmission. YOu get 35mpg with that one, I did.
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 6:54:28 AM

I think more motorists want real positive facts from automakers not what some automakers want to spin in their marketing.........
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 4:06:51 PM

"You spin a product into a positive by facts not fiction......"

That would be nice, wouldn't it... Unfortunately that is not reality - regardless of the product being marketed.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 7:12:00 AM

Isn't the entire purpose of marketing, for any product, to spin it in as much positive light as possible?

Spin a product that is negative into a positive isn't the answer...

You spin a product into a positive by facts not fiction......

Not a wonder some see no wrong here.......

Now when is a import like Honda or some of the other mention then it is found to be disgracful.................



[Edited by: contiki at 4/27/2013 7:16:00 AM EST]
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gvan
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 2:08:44 PM

"Marketing by Ford isn't always truthful.........now they face the truth about their product......."

Honda, Toyota and Hyundai also had inflated mpg figures:

The second surprising aspect of CR’s announcement is just how common it is for “official” EPA ratings to be higher than the results found in independent testing. This seems to be the case especially when it comes to hybrid vehicles. In previous CR tests, models such as the Toyota Prius, Honda Civic Hybrid, Hyundai Sonata Hybrid, and Honda Insight EX were all shown to get worse gas mileage than what EPA ratings promised. As Consumer Reports points out, it’s the automakers themselves that come up with their own EPA ratings.
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 9:09:08 AM

"Marketing by Ford isn't always truthful.........now they face the truth about their product......."

<SMH>

Isn't the entire purpose of marketing, for any product, to spin it in as much positive light as possible?
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 6:23:49 AM

Manolo1 says " Pennsylvania car owners are suing Ford Motor Co., claiming that the 2013 Fusion hybrid and C-Max hybrid are not delivering on promised fuel-efficiency figures, according to a report from Bloomberg.

Both hybrid models are advertised to return 47 mpg, but the owners say that number is inflated to seem more competitive among other midsize sedans, according to their court filing. "

Marketing by Ford isn't always truthful.........now they face the truth about their product.......

[Edited by: contiki at 4/26/2013 6:24:58 AM EST]
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:23:00 PM

Prius is a midsize car: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=23599#tab4
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 5:18:42 PM

Pennsylvania car owners are suing Ford Motor Co., claiming that the 2013 Fusion hybrid and C-Max hybrid are not delivering on promised fuel-efficiency figures, according to a report from Bloomberg.

Both hybrid models are advertised to return 47 mpg, but the owners say that number is inflated to seem more competitive among other midsize sedans, according to their court filing.
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