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contiki

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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 8:41:18 AM

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

It’s hard to argue against a traffic ticket that involves public safety. But if you’re frustrated after getting a ticket for some minor violation, you’re not alone.

In times past, a police officer would often give you a warning and send you on your way.
Not anymore.

According to local resident Phil Palter, there can be up to five cops writing tickets on a Saturday afternoon at St. Pauls Square in Toronto.

More than 58,000 traffic tickets were handed out in the city of Winnipeg in 2010, and another 57,000 in 2011.
These days, it seems, nobody gets a second chance. A hefty ticket is the order of the day.

It’s happening in cities across Canada, but Winnipeg appears to be the worst.
Police there issued 57,000 tickets in 2011. In 2012, city hall asked the police to increase their revenue from tickets by $1.4 million.
Critics say police officers are under pressure to issue a certain number of tickets.

“I think most officers would be happy to provide a discretionary warning,” said Mike Sutherland, head of the Winnipeg Police Association. “The difficulty comes when there are significant work place consequences imposed on officers if they fail to hand out a certain number of tickets in a prescribed period of time.”

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

Tell me how you see it.....give me your comments on this issue......

As always please keep it friendly...........
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 4:50:17 PM

The revenues keeps town and cities coffers filled with badly needed monies which they get from tickets and count on.......
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Jackson126
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 6:33:31 AM

Yes
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MeTaBall
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 5:05:55 PM

Yes
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 12:18:14 PM

What do you think.
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 11:47:37 AM

Like a dollar Kick-back for each ticket written applied to their daily wages, competitive style......? Pressure?...... Na... Free Donuts!....
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 7:53:18 AM

gougedQC says " yes absolutely ...as admitted reluctantly by many police chiefs....often they attempt to dodge the issue by saying,, no we don't have quotas, but we have ' performance expectations "

Performance expectations, I have heard that term used a lot by police when ask the question on the issue.............

Maybe they have been coach by their supervisors in what to say to the public when asked about this issue......
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carinthuist
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 2:18:57 PM

yes
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eB40
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 2:09:23 PM

No
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 9:16:39 AM

yes absolutely ...as admitted reluctantly by many police chiefs....often they attempt to dodge the issue by saying,, no we dont have quotas, but we have ' performance expectations
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2014 9:47:13 AM

No
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toms1120
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 11:23:15 AM

Not under pressure.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2014 7:31:15 AM

I think more warnings need to applied for minor speeding issues rather then tickets for revenue..........

Years ago if you were over speeding limit by about 10km...you got a warning ......now it is usually a ticket where the cop will give it to you and says no points on your licence with this ticket...yet you still get a ticket...........
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55Russ
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2014 12:26:20 AM

Some probably are
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gmc48
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 10:05:09 PM

Nothing but a racketeering scam. The government has always and will always be out to just rob people.
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MeTaBall
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 6:21:42 PM

Revenue
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2014 7:30:06 AM

When ticket revenues seem more important to cities and towns for their coffers that police given warnings, you can understand why it happens so much......

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WilhamClouse
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 1:32:27 PM

More tickets means more money.
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eB40
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 11:52:02 AM

Yes
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2014 6:43:47 PM

That item also made the GasBuddy news page, Gvon. Thanks. I posted there that I think it's a good idea, but it's also easily circumvented. Commanders can offer incentives and awards: extra days off, improved standing on promotion lists, etc. It depends on whether the command level is getting pressure from the political apparatchiks.

If you review this thread, you'll note that in Boston, at least, they love traffic stops, but leave it up to the officer whether to write a warning or a "money" ticket. Frankly, Boston drivers are so flagrant with running red lights and executing turns from the wrong lanes, they should encourage more "money" tickets. But that's a local issue.
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gvan
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 9:34:11 AM

Legislation signed Sunday by Gov. Pat Quinn bans Illinois police departments from assigning ticket quotas and evaluating officers based on how many citations they issue.

Quinn, a Democrat, said the new law will allow police to use their judgment in deciding whether to ticket a driver. The law, which applies to local, county and state law enforcement, took effect immediately.
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CentaurChiron
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 2:14:31 PM

Unfortunately, I think that is true
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 11:22:41 AM

gougedQC says "sorry counterattack but there absolutely are quotas...or..expectations. Municipalities and states-provinces, absolutely count on revenues from fines...which add up to millions of dollars of income per year...money they desperately want."

gougedQC you are so correct in your statement............
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 7:11:15 AM

sorry counterattack but there absolutely are quotas...or..expectations. Municipalities and states-provinces, absolutely count on revenues from fines...which add up to millions of dollars of income per year...money they desperately want.

Policing costs are going up astronomically as well and govt puts pressure on police to bring in the cash
there have been many news articles on this, and in many cases police have reluctantly admitted they have quotas..or "performance targets"

However, Illinois may be very close to banning the practice with a new law banning the practice... Still, it may be on paper, but in reality??WIINIPEG SUN NEWS- A year or two ago when a story broke about ticket quotas, the brass of the Winnipeg Police Service acknowledged that the push for more tickets was related to revenue generation. Officers were stunned at the time that the story had such short legs. Again the issue has come to light, due to a recent email authored by the Inspector of one of the busiest patrol districts. In the directive, the police officers under his command are exhorted to triple their traffic ticket numbers.

L=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-47442/Police-told-meet-quotas-motorist-fines.html]and in England[/L]

[L=http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/text deleted quotas illegal...but continue[/L]


[Edited by: gougedQC at 6/15/2014 7:16:22 AM EST]
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Jackson126
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 6:57:53 AM

Yes in DC for sure
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 4:13:28 AM

I must admit contiki I have gotten away with warnings the last three times I could have gotten a ticket in the last 10 years. I haven't had a speeding ticket in 25 + years so far.

Sounds like its a lot more brutal in your neck of the woods.
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 6:41:59 PM

Not here in Wisconsin, also more on holidays. Never for headlights or tail lights never in the morning for morning traffic or even at night!
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 1:22:23 PM

eyegotgas2 says "I'm positive lots of police have given people warnings instead of tickets but you can't really blame them for doing their job."

Now that was the way it use to be but tickets are given out much more than warning anymore in our town........

It make you wonder whether revenues from tickets are more important than warnings....

[Edited by: contiki at 6/13/2014 1:24:12 PM EST]
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 12:55:10 PM

We need police on the streets but municipalities should not be pressuring them to raise revenue.

I'm positive lots of police have given people warnings instead of tickets but you can't really blame them for doing their job.

If I was a cop I would give people breaks occasionally. I think a lot would depend upon their attitudes and driving record.
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 12:49:11 PM

That is clearly a cash cow if city hall is looking to increase their revenue by issuing tickets.

They have obviously been getting all the money before up to now as well.
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MeTaBall
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 12:23:37 PM

I think it's part of their job.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2014 7:26:45 AM

traffic cop says " Contiki has an axe to grind: it seems that this is much more common in Canada."

traffic cop it is common in Canada with quotas but I can assure you I have no axe to grind with anyone.....

I only speak of what I have heard through the years and what has been said to me by local policemen when asked about this issue...

Again make no mistake here traffic cop I have no axe to grind with any law enforcement anywhere...........
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2014 11:16:44 PM

Counterattack, you speak with conviction. But from the other side of the b adge, I can only say I wish you were right. Cops do NOT like quotas (or "performance expectations") but this seems to be on the increase. Contiki has an axe to grind: it seems that this is much more common in Canada.

When people say, "Why aren't you out arresting criminals instead of hassling me?" I reply that I enforce big laws, little laws, and in-between laws. When you're on patrol, you're looking at anything which is "not quite right." It could be the broken window, the jerk running a red light, the "suspicious person" on the corner eyeing an unlocked car, or two people arguing.

A cop, if he's professional, wants to be looking for any- and every- thing that isn't "quite right." Traffic should be a part of that, but not a disproportionate one. Politicians who want revenue for various agendae --which I believe is on the increase -- interfere with that.
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2014 7:28:28 PM

local coffers are low, what do you think?
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counterattack
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2014 7:21:46 PM

NO! Police Officers write tickets because IT IS THEIR JOB! Especially if they are working traffic enforcement or something of that nature. There isn't a quota but it is their job to write tickets that's just it. There are more than enough traffic violators EVERYWHERE why would they go out and just pick on people who do minor violations.

Also in my large metropolitan city many officers could car less if they see a car going 5 or maybe 10 MPH over the limit or driving while using a cell phone or do some sort of minor traffic violation. They receive so many 911 or phone calls to the station to go to citizen's houses. They don't have time to do every little violation. If officers had more time or man power why not hand out more tickets. But there is not a quota.

[Edited by: counterattack at 6/8/2014 7:22:32 PM EST]
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eB40
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2014 6:10:17 PM

Not pressured.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 6:34:34 AM

I believe that most police forces are on some kind of quota system....

Most towns and cities expect this revenue for tickets to help their coffers...........
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2014 7:37:37 AM

No
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 29, 2014 7:15:17 AM

FarmTech says " Here in Virginia, as well as MANY OTHER STATES, they are looking for people on cell phones and not wearing seat belts, as those are offenses that are reason to be ticketed, even if no other violation is observed. "

In Ontario the police are doing the same thing about cell phone use while driving and no seat belts but also speeders as well.....

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Expectations is the right word, but if expectations are not met there will be some serious consequences
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Message Posted: May 24, 2014 1:30:52 PM

Member gougedQC said it perhaps the most accurately: there are "expectations" instead of quotas. Other members have noted that the number of tickets issued has become a tool for evaluating an officer's performance, with Member gvan noting that the State of Illinois has proposed a law to outlaw it. Unfortunately, that will just be "feel good" legislation as police depts. will find a way to get around the law, if passed, and keep writing tickets.

It is not hard for them to do it. Every officer or trooper I know state they only have to sit for a few minutes before they COULD write at least one ticket. They sometimes let some speeders go, IF they are not be overly excessive, because they know that another more aggressive speeder will be flying by any second.

Here in Virginia, as well as MANY OTHER STATES, they are looking for people on cell phones and not wearing seat belts, as those are offenses that are reason to be ticketed, even if no other violation is observed. The VA State Police are keen on Seat Belt Violators, as that is viewed as a Major Safety Issue. Not only that, but those who refuse to wear their seat belts are very likely doing something else more serious.

Stay Safe this Memorial Day Weekend and EVERY DAY.
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: May 24, 2014 8:13:46 AM

Although several police jurisdiction have admitted -reluctantly- they have quotas, i recently heard one Chief say...no quotas but we have "expectations"

and yes municipalities and provinces absolutely depend on ticket revenues and they pressure police to pull in the money
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Message Posted: May 24, 2014 12:24:38 AM

dont know but have heard that before
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 23, 2014 12:59:28 PM

There is a law being proposed in Illinois to eliminate ticket quotas and forbid supervisors from using ticket numbers as a job evaluation tool.

Ontario could learn from Illinois but I can't see it happening..........

Many cities and towns here in Ontario have come to depend on these revenues from tickets.................
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gvan
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Message Posted: May 23, 2014 12:45:30 PM

There is a law being proposed in Illinois to eliminate ticket quotas and forbid supervisors from using ticket numbers as a job evaluation tool.
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 9:22:21 PM

No
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 16, 2014 12:55:33 PM

I believe they are pressured to complete quotas set by their superiors...
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Message Posted: May 16, 2014 7:37:32 AM

No quota that I'm aware of, but the officers do get told that their performance evaluations (raises and promotions) are based upon what some pencil pusher decides is an expected number of tickets in a certain area.
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toms1120
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Message Posted: May 16, 2014 7:30:49 AM

It's their job.
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morrongiello
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Message Posted: May 11, 2014 9:01:54 AM

definitely believe that they have quotas to meet; not sure how much pressure there is to meet the quota
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