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contiki

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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 8:41:18 AM

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

It’s hard to argue against a traffic ticket that involves public safety. But if you’re frustrated after getting a ticket for some minor violation, you’re not alone.

In times past, a police officer would often give you a warning and send you on your way.
Not anymore.

According to local resident Phil Palter, there can be up to five cops writing tickets on a Saturday afternoon at St. Pauls Square in Toronto.

More than 58,000 traffic tickets were handed out in the city of Winnipeg in 2010, and another 57,000 in 2011.
These days, it seems, nobody gets a second chance. A hefty ticket is the order of the day.

It’s happening in cities across Canada, but Winnipeg appears to be the worst.
Police there issued 57,000 tickets in 2011. In 2012, city hall asked the police to increase their revenue from tickets by $1.4 million.
Critics say police officers are under pressure to issue a certain number of tickets.

“I think most officers would be happy to provide a discretionary warning,” said Mike Sutherland, head of the Winnipeg Police Association. “The difficulty comes when there are significant work place consequences imposed on officers if they fail to hand out a certain number of tickets in a prescribed period of time.”

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

Tell me how you see it.....give me your comments on this issue......

As always please keep it friendly...........
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Vin63
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 10:21:18 AM

Yes.
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eB40
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Yes
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:11:01 AM

yes
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2014 6:57:34 AM

yes.........
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 10:36:32 AM

absolutely, as evidenced by news articles and admissions by police forces. Claims to the contrary ate without foundation, merely opinions, as opposed to clear admissions by several police forces that yes the have quotas. sometimes referred to as "expectations" of performance- ie ticket quotas
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 10:25:24 AM

No
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toms1120
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 7:57:52 AM

Not if they are traffic officers.
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MeTaBall
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 10:41:08 AM

No
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dieselpower2014
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 10:51:04 PM

sure they are. But they just don't use those terms
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 10:31:21 PM

That's exactly the way it should be, bartandlisa. "A reasonable number of tickets." What you didn't say is whether they have discretion regarding written warnings, or whether they must be "money tickets" (fines).

They should also be doing a number of parking tickets, arrests, summons, investigations, "suspicious person" stops, and the like. It varies according to the officer's primary assignment, and the nature of his beat, etc.
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BartandLisa
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 5:40:03 PM

I have been told by an officer that they are expected to issue a reasonable quantity of tickets to confirm that they are enforcing regulations.
An empty book suggests lack of attention to ever-present violations.
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eB40
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 4:37:01 PM

No
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fury3
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2014 8:04:46 AM

yes they are forced to write tickets or the politicians will find a way to lay them off. Then everyone suffers
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2014 8:01:28 AM

Dagas, several police agencies have reluctantly admitted to having quotas. Several news reports have also shown that municipalities are pressuring police to collect in order to offset fast rising policing costs.
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cDagasGo
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 8:06:35 PM

No
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toms1120
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2014 8:24:57 AM

Their job.
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luvmyrv
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2014 1:45:50 PM

in some jurisdictions...yes.
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WilhamClouse
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2014 1:12:01 PM

Yes!
The city needs ticket money to keep up the budget.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2014 12:51:44 PM

Even in our town I have heard of the police officers having quotas each month to maintain.....

Many towns and cities depend on these quotas of tickets for towns and cities coffers............

The bigger the police force the more ticket quotas are expected..........
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2014 9:57:11 PM

Mertie- way earlier in this thread I have news reports where police cheifs have admitted- reluctantly- there are quotas. In a couple of cases internatl emails to that effect became public and so it was hard for them to deny it.
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 4:07:04 PM

MertieMan, what you describe may be true in certain departments. This varies widely, but quotas are, I believe, becoming more common. Many departments have specialized traffic divisions or patrol assignments.

In Boston, there is "Special Ops," which have the motorcycle units. When not engaged in special assignments, like traffic at special events, they do a lot of traffic. But that's not their primary assignment. And every district ("precinct") has one officer (the "Tango55") whose primary assignment is traffic. He's expected to do about 25 traffic stops a day, but has individual discretion regarding warnings vs. "money" tickets. As he should.

Oilerman, a well-run department has sergeants and lieutenants who know what their officers are doing, and how they're preforming. There should be a balance of traffic, arrests, community service, investigations, etc. It varies. A regular patrol unit should be given a rough EXPECTATION of what he might get on his sector. Even a detective can do a few traffic stops a month, including "community service," youth, animal control, administrative (etc.) officers.

Goodness, if you're out there, marked or unmarked, and you see a jerk run a red light, a diligent cop should pull him, over, right? But not because there's a quota.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 10:03:47 AM

Police Officers do not have actual quotas. This is called a Selective Enforcement Unit, which is unmarked and working problem areas for speeders.
This is not to say that a regular patrol officer can't issue you a citation.
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WilhamClouse
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 9:32:30 AM

yes
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 8:44:23 AM

Definitely. I know a police department that bases their performance reviews of the officers, on a certain number tickets they're to issues. The officers are frustrated because in some cases, the areas where they work are lower traffic, but some pencil pusher gets to decide how many tickets they should issue, and the officer feels that it's unfair to punish him/her on their performance evaluation, just because they can't meet the quota that someone came up with, that is unrealistic for the traffic in that area.
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 7:50:33 AM

yes
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2014 6:30:50 AM

I agree with you traffic cop but it stills happens.....

Towns and cities depend on this revenue and have for many years now.......
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krazkar
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 11:10:52 PM

Yes, yes, yes.

The city needs that revenue! If all of a sudden everyone was perfectly keeping the law, there would be trouble.
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 10:32:12 PM

Contiki, I don't like saying (or having to admit) that "towns and cities DEPEND upon on this revenue." It's more like an alcoholic or an addict that the chemically dependent person "depends" on. Take it away, and they just can't function very well. But it's really in their better interest.

Getting healthy hurts the addict, but it's necessary. The political ruling class needs to become fiscally healthy and stop "depending" on the easy fix of extorting their public with fines.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 6:46:23 AM

Getting quotas shouldn't be part of their job but most motorists would agree that it is..........

Towns and cities depend on this revenue from tickets..................
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CommanderTech
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 11:28:28 PM

Yes
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 9:05:39 PM

wb40-- tax collecting is their job?
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:25:14 AM

yes
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eB40
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2014 4:57:11 AM

It's their job.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 9:38:24 AM

I still believe there are quotas in many towns and cities......

Towns and cities depend on this revenue from tickets..........
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 7:53:55 AM

yes
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 6:56:27 AM

Yup! all the time.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 5:58:04 AM

Yes
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 5:26:50 AM

yes
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2014 7:56:58 AM

gougedQC says " In winnipeg they 've bought a new type of radar that can scan you from a side street so they dont even have to be line of travel now and apparently the already high ticket rate is even higher

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/photo-radar-tickets-spike-by-nearly-30k-in-winnipeg-1.2531275 "

In Ontario the OPP [Ontario Provincial Police] can get you on radar 2 km away without even seeing you and going the other way on the highway........

I know because I received a ticket two summers ago that cost me over $200.00 for speeding when I wasn't even aware I was speeding way out in the country...........as I was just talking to my wife and never notice....
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 5:28:02 AM

yes
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 7:58:20 PM

In winnipeg they 've bought a new type of radar that can scan you from a side street so they dont even have to be line of travel now and apparently the already high ticket rate is even higher

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/photo-radar-tickets-spike-by-nearly-30k-in-winnipeg-1.2531275
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 7:45:10 PM

yes
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csh7586
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 6:38:19 PM

Yes, and because they all have cameras in the cars, they are under even more pressure.
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Cooey
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 3:39:43 PM

yes
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Bowlerman10
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 1:35:28 PM

of cource. when there is a budget line for ticket revenue for the city, you bet cha it needs to grow.
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gvan
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 1:01:54 PM

Here's my favorite response:

No sir, we don't have quotas anymore. We used to, but now we're allowed
to write as many tickets as we can
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 11:17:45 AM

No
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scoobynuts
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yes
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cDagasGo
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 11:53:12 AM

In Canada... Yes
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2Tall
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no
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