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contiki

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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 8:41:18 AM

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

It’s hard to argue against a traffic ticket that involves public safety. But if you’re frustrated after getting a ticket for some minor violation, you’re not alone.

In times past, a police officer would often give you a warning and send you on your way.
Not anymore.

According to local resident Phil Palter, there can be up to five cops writing tickets on a Saturday afternoon at St. Pauls Square in Toronto.

More than 58,000 traffic tickets were handed out in the city of Winnipeg in 2010, and another 57,000 in 2011.
These days, it seems, nobody gets a second chance. A hefty ticket is the order of the day.

It’s happening in cities across Canada, but Winnipeg appears to be the worst.
Police there issued 57,000 tickets in 2011. In 2012, city hall asked the police to increase their revenue from tickets by $1.4 million.
Critics say police officers are under pressure to issue a certain number of tickets.

“I think most officers would be happy to provide a discretionary warning,” said Mike Sutherland, head of the Winnipeg Police Association. “The difficulty comes when there are significant work place consequences imposed on officers if they fail to hand out a certain number of tickets in a prescribed period of time.”

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

Tell me how you see it.....give me your comments on this issue......

As always please keep it friendly...........
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 6:00:43 AM

I still believe that most towns and cities have quotas to maintain.....

Many towns and cities need the monies from tickets to kept their coffers up....
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MeTaBall
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 7:01:32 PM

Nope
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2015 11:32:12 AM

no
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 7:01:37 AM

It is sad to say the motorists have to break laws so cities and towns can get their revenues they need so badly.....

They depend on motorists breaking the law...warnings produce no revenues...

It is a shame the it has come down to this situation to get monies for city and town coffers.....
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toms1120
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2015 7:42:29 PM

Their job.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 1:40:55 PM

Many of them are
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 1:29:41 PM

Should have read:

eyegotgas2 says " I have gotten a few warnings over the years in BC "

In Ontario not many warnings are given..no money is made by given out warnings.......

My guess is in Ontario they figure warnings don't give any revenues......

Cities and towns need revenues for their coffers......so here is the ticket....
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 6:42:43 AM

eyegotgas2 says " I have gotten a few warnings over the years in BC "

In Ontario not many warnings are given..no money made by given out tickets.......

My guess is in Ontario they figure warnings don't give any revenues......

Cities and towns need revenues for their coffers......
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2015 8:23:21 AM

Everyone knows they are
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2015 8:21:30 AM

I have gotten a few warnings over the years in BC
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eyegotgas2
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I don't know but it makes you wonder
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2015 8:10:40 AM

Most police have another name for it and it is not called quatas..........

Different police forces different names.............
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2015 6:19:23 AM

Illinois just passed a law outlawing quotas....

You won't see that happening here in Ontario...too much money being made...
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gvan
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2015 11:52:59 AM

Illinois just passed a law outlawing quotas....doesn't mean they won't exist though.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2015 6:37:36 AM

traffic cop says " People need to raise hell in places like Toronto. "

What good would be achieved........this is the way business is done....

Toronto wants it's revenues......and will get them.....

Police will do what is expected of them to keep a job.....

[Edited by: contiki at 1/2/2015 6:38:59 AM EST]
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WilhamClouse
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2015 1:52:27 AM

yes
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2015 11:59:19 PM

I'm still on the same page with you, Contiki. With quotas, cops go to where they can get the most tickets the fastest--your proverbial speedtrap, for example. Enforcement should be a balance between the officer and the first two levels of supervisors (typically, sergeants and lieutenants--this varies). They should be guided by their overall law enforcement needs, with input from the community and informed parties such as traffic and accident analysts.

Traffic enforcement can be useful for various other agendae, such as suppression of gang activity (I loved impounding some goon's car), discouraging commuters who short-cut through residential streets, and the like. But revenue? An absolute never!

People need to raise hell in places like Toronto.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2015 6:34:14 AM

Many cities and towns want you to break the law to keep up revenues...

Toronto, Ontario has proven this by complains by city officials that police are not writing enough tickets and only giving out warnings instead...

Police warnings don't bring in any revenues.................

I think is sinful to expect motorists to break the law to keep up revenues for many cities and town....

[Edited by: contiki at 1/1/2015 6:34:46 AM EST]
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vabites
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2014 7:57:32 AM

Just goes to show you the municipalities view ticketing violations as a revenue stream vice a public safety concern. This will lead to higher fines as citizens wise up because the scumbags putting pressure on the LEOs are drug addicted (money being the drug in this case).
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2014 7:50:52 AM

Of course. The Chief invents a different name (minimum expectation instead of quota) and enforces his quota system.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2014 7:07:50 AM

Toronto, Ontario has proven this by complains by city officals that police are not writing enough tickets and only giving out warnings instead...

Police warnings don't bring in any revenues.................

They want motorists to break the law to keep up revenues...go figure...
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 8:03:12 AM

Yes...in my cities and towns............
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 10:02:04 AM

Yes. . . .
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 7:58:41 AM

I think this topic has show more than enough that there is pressure on many police to write tickets to keep cities and town's revenues up........

Toronto, Ontario has proven this by complains by city officals that police are not writing enough tickets and only giving out warnings instead...

Police warnings don't bring in any revenues.................
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Tucsonhomes
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 11:21:11 AM

Sure they are
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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 11:11:54 AM

Yes I do beleive that, makes money for the city...
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 8:06:30 AM

yes
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 8:05:51 AM

You bet they are
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 7:51:04 AM

Absolutely! Fort Worth PD just lost Fed & State funds because they got caught with a quota system.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 6:54:42 AM

I saw on CTV NEWS the other night, the city of Toronto, Ontario the police officers are not writing as many tickets as needed......more warnings now by police instead......

The city of Toronto says revenues are way down in their coffers because police officers are not writing enough tickets and tickets are way down from the year before......

The city of Toronto want more tickets issued by police officers because they need the monies and have said so.......

Many cities and towns want motorists to break the law so more tickets can be issued to keep the revenues up........go figure........

More proof that police officers are under pressure to write more tickets and do to keep the revenues up.................

Only in Toronto, Ontario the police are following behind what is expected of them...................

[Edited by: contiki at 12/12/2014 6:56:54 AM EST]
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DerTaubman
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Illegal in Michigan.
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no
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cDagasGo
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 9:36:04 PM

If you worked in a ball bearing factory... would you be under pressure to make ball bearing? Of course not!
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 7:22:44 AM

Not in Lexington, Kentucky as we have Selective enforcement units that monitor traffic areas everyday. They are usually in different locations each day.
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 6:43:00 AM

Very few towns across the country ever do this, but there have been a few, one here in Florida that got caught and disbanded.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 6:25:42 AM

I saw on CTV news last night, the city of Toronto, Ontario the police officers are not writing as many tickets as needed......more warnings now by police instead......

The city of Toronto says revenues are way down in their coffers because police officers are not writing enough tickets and tickets are way down from the year before......

The city of Toronto want more tickets issued by police officers because they need the monies and have said so.......

Many cities and towns want motorists to break the law so more tickets can be issued to keep the revenues up........go figure........

More proof that police officers are under pressure to write tickets.....


[Edited by: contiki at 12/6/2014 6:30:27 AM EST]
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Tucsonhomes
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 12:00:18 PM

I think many, if not most are
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 11:34:55 AM

I think it is part of the job to write so many tickets per shift.....
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Of course
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no
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No
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Yes I think so... Tax revenue for the city.
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Some are for sure
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2014 7:00:12 AM

I do not know if they are "under pressure", but I think it plays a factor inn their reviews if they do not write enough.

I agree with you WEPSMAN ...........
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 8:49:29 AM

I do not know if they are "under pressure", but I think it plays a factor inn their reviews if they do not write enough.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2014 7:26:33 AM

I still believe there is pressure to write tickets by police officers as part of their duties of the job.....
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 7:04:36 AM

Ballylane thanks for your posting on the issue......

Inside information to what goes on.......
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Ballylane
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 8:01:44 PM

Yes they are.............How do I know ..........I used to be one. It's not a quota but a means to measure their performance, though it was strange that some of the best officers that wrote few tickets but made many arrests got told to improve their performance/workload.
You know the old adage: s..t rolls downhill well the pressure to write tickets comes from the city managers to the Chief who passes that pressure down to the rank and file via the Superintendents and Inspectors.
Officers and especially the parking enforcement officers really feel the pressure.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 7:57:24 PM

yes to generate revenue
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YES
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 5:34:08 PM

It may not be a 'quota', but revenue generation is very important for the city budget.

That is very true......

I personally don't think looking for ways to make money off people making mistakes in their driving to maintain a budget in the right way of doing thing yet many towns and cities use this plan...........

Town and cities counting on people making wrong decisions or mistakes in driving in their life to keep revenues up and the budget......not a good thing for sure......

It is a build in system for towns and cities to always get monies.......

[Edited by: contiki at 11/18/2014 5:41:45 PM EST]
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