contiki
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 9:03:03 AM
gtngouged says "no,thats illegal in mn."
It is legal wherever quotas are needed to support towns and cities budgets and how they achieve that budget.........
Those police officers that care to talk about it will tell you that quotas exist in most towns and cities...........
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gtngouged
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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 7:00:13 AM
no,thats illegal in mn.
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 6:28:38 AM
I think you have to drive responsively and know quota are there....
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 7:05:01 AM
limegremlin says " Of course there are quotas,"
I think most posters would agree with your comment..........
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limegremlin
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 9:15:46 AM
Of course there are quotas, and anyone who believes otherwise must think the tooth fairy is real too!
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 8:46:09 AM
I believe many cities and towns in North America have quotas..
In many cities and towns quotas are never discuss by police officers but only a few police officers will talk about it or admit it happens........
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 10:19:43 AM
Some are.
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 8:45:03 AM
All the ones I know are getting paid to enforce, depends on who decides about the minor violation... maybe "attitudes" have a say in that... Both attitudes... Quotas can be big/small/average HABetterDay! Silence isn't golden but sometimes Green $$$ saved.
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ReddevilNO
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 7:48:54 AM
Yes! I think so.
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 7:13:36 AM
In Canada.....stunt driving and high speed racing is class as very dangerous driving in Canada....
It is a automatic licence suspension and vehicle empounded.............
In Canada they will nail you if they catch you doing this..........
[Edited by: contiki at 5/10/2013 7:16:16 AM EST]
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 11:47:01 PM
GaugedQC, "Stunting" sounds like "whatever the officer deems it to be."
Now some jurisdictions have two-tiered speed laws, which makes sense. "X" m/k-phr gets you a certain range of fines, and "X+Y" m/k-phr is deemed more dangerous and has harsher penalties. Sometimes the fine is greater, and sometimes it moves the violation up to a misdemeanor, maybe arrestable. But there, the law is specific and precise.
Not so with "stunting."
In Massachusetts, there is "Operating To Endanger," which is a non-arrestable misdemeanor. It allows an officer a fair bit of latitude, but he must be able to present an articulable and persuasive case on his report and in court. Show-off driving would be included.
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retcap201
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 8:36:40 AM
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jrfan6767
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 8:02:17 AM
i dont think they are
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 7:35:32 AM
yes
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 7:23:25 AM
I see on the news the other night that police officers in York Region here in Ontario have been told to write the ticket at what the speed was and NO knocking it down by the police officer............
More revenue can be had now.................
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 8:39:57 PM
not only that, but fines for the same infraction have gone up... and then to collect even more they've come up with a ridiculously stupid designation of "stunting"...
Now, if Im on a highway in virtually no traffic in an exotic sportscar doing a mere 160 kmh which it can do without even batting an eye, and which can stop in a shorter istance from that speed than your average econobox at 110 and which has vastly superior handling...how on earth would that be "stunting".
"A stunt is an unusual and difficult physical feat or an act requiring a special skill, performed for artistic purposes usually on TV, theatre, or cinema. Stunts are a big part of many action films".
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:04:45 AM
nichols you make a good point with your comment.....
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nichols
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:36:58 AM
yes, just look at the large increases in ticket revenue for most places. One of the main reasons that places will not raise the speed limit 5-10 mph even though it would be safe is that their ticket revenue would go down.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:18:39 AM
Some are like the ones in Kilbuck, PA.
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contiki
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:59:43 AM
traffic cop says " That's definitely prostituting the profession. It turns your government into robber-baron overlords"
traffic cop, I am sure that many cities and town in the USA have this same ticket quotas system as well as in Canada and there are stories to be told there as well......
I can't see Canada being the only offenders here.....
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DanFMA
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:33:50 AM
No.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2013 6:31:18 AM
Thanks gougedQC for your report......great details.....
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 10:26:18 PM
That's definitely prostituting the profession. It turns your government into robber-baron overlords.
Perhaps their union (or benevolent association) could take out some ads in the local papers, saying, "We don't like doing this to you, but we have no choice. Call the Mayor's office and tell him to stop squeezing the motoring public dry!"
I'll definitely be spending my vacation dollars elsewhere.
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 8:32:00 PM
Toronto STar Dec 04 2012
*headlne= Top parking officer single-handedly fined Toronto drivers nearly $4 million in five years
subtitle= Watch out, Forest Hill and North Toronto drivers — the city’s busiest ticket writer is in your ’hood.
(btw ..this guy earns over 100K a year)
FROM CTV NEWS JAN 2013 (story about winnipeg)
Police there issued 57,000 tickets in 2011. In 2012, city hall asked the police to increase their revenue from tickets by $1.4 million.
Critics say police officers are under pressure to issue a certain number of tickets.
“I think most officers would be happy to provide a discretionary warning,” said Mike Sutherland, head of the Winnipeg Police Association. “The difficulty comes when there are significant work place consequences imposed on officers if they fail to hand out a certain number of tickets in a prescribed period of time.”
Most of us would call that a quota, but police management and city bureaucrats are reluctant to use the “Q” word. Mike Sutherland isn’t buying it.
“It can be called by a variety of different names,” he said. “It can be called an objective, or an expectation. Those sorts of terminology are used to disguise the fact that it simply is a quota
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 6:49:09 AM
traffic cop your Chief Executive plays no part in each jurisdiction on traffic.....
Just so you know I have great respect for your President and know he was a Nobel Peace Prize winner and that is great.........
traffic cop,Your humour was misplaced.......lol......
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 10:42:49 PM
Sorry, Contiki, You're dead wrong!
"Canada has some bad stories but I am sure America has some as well......"
Our Chief Executive has set up new paradigms for justice, equality, and fairness. He even won the Nobel Peace Prize! Why, he's launched more drone strikes than all other Nobel Peace Prize winners COMBINED!
You're obviously very mistaken. Those things could not possibly happen here now.
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scoobynuts
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 7:30:16 AM
yes
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 6:44:38 AM
Canada has some bad stories but I am sure America has some as well......
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FLASHY GMC
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 12:13:06 PM
not in Chatham-Kent Ontario.
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waynester1955
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 10:11:20 AM
I've heard it admitted in court.
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L98
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 9:21:49 AM
yes,plus the eternal urge to prove themselves
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 10:09:12 PM
That's absolutely correct, mnrick042.
In Boston, every district has a single "traffic car." Traffic is his primary, but not exclusive, assignment. And he'll be the last unit called, and called only when all other units are on an assignment. He doesn't have a quota, but if he doesn't do a reasonable number of stops, he'll eventually find himself reassigned.
And--in Boston--he has absolute "officer's discretion" between issuing warnings or "money tickets." (There may be occasional exceptions.)
The requirement for money tickets varies from department to department, and sometimes even within a given department. Or even from shift supervisor to shift supervisor.
I notice that the worst stories come from Canada...
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 7:41:27 PM
It probably varies by city. Some cities have traffic units where the officers assigned to those cars are out on the streets specifically to enforce traffic laws. Those officers probably do have a quota just to show that they did something while they were at work that day.
Other officers, if they have a car that has radar equipment in it, might get in a ticket or two in between calls if they have time but are probably not obligated to do any traffic enforcement during their shift.
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krazkar
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 1:06:39 PM
I know Calgary depends on this 'windfall' of money. It is not about safety. It is about the money.
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 3:10:35 PM
Then we have to worry about cops getting commissions and bonuses for more tickets. Just think of that $4M parking officer* in Toronto...!!
*I assume that the parking officer is a specialty, and not a fully "sworn" (law enforcement) officer.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 9:22:15 AM
Interesting........gougedQC you support it with facts.....
Many cities are like Toronto.................
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 7:07:55 AM
Now that we have had several jurisdictions admitting they have quotas after decades of denial, the fact is that city budgets absolutely depend on ticket income..
Parking tickets in Toronto alone rake in about $95 million a year !!!
Traffic tickets about the same.
Cities MUST have that money, and police are pressured to meet targets. When incomes are down, that when police go on temporary blitzes.
Face it folks, its another tax..imposed by uniformed tax collectors
News from the TORONTO STAR April 8 2013: ==== :Top parking officer single-handedly fined Toronto drivers nearly $4 million in five years
Watch out, Forest Hill and North Toronto drivers — the city’s busiest ticket writer is in your ’hood.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:54:03 AM
noblegiant your comment I heard it before from those police officers that talk about it.......
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:12:04 AM
Mostly At The Beginning And End Of The Month (Take Note)!!
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 10:28:21 PM
Then my job is done Have an excellent long weekend out there.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 7:18:15 AM
Banjoe, your comment gave me quite a chuckle reading it.........
Thanks for your comment and the chuckle it gave me..........
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 7:13:15 AM
contiki - I have to agree that you've got some nut bars cursing around but you've also got a monster population base on your roads. Your percentage of driving coocoobats and criminally insane is much smaller than our local collection of certifiable out patients. I'd put up our drivers up against all comers when it comes to being purposefully bad and intentionally dangerous.
There are worse drivers out there that don't know don't see/don't understand but our clowns know what they should be doing and just don't care. I can understand stupid on the road, but it's the huge percentage of stupid that impresses me. We live in some kind of brain warping vortex that afflicts normal people as soon as they begin rolling more than 3 mph. Maybe something to do with northern lights, annual flooding, too many stop signs or mosquitoes, or perhaps just putting up with the other brain dead troglodytes on the road.
In case i didn't say it, i enjoy driving in Toronto when things are moving along. When those freeways become parking lots, it gets a little less fun.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 7:14:07 AM
Banjoe says " On the contrary - I suggest a driving visit to Winnipeg for everyone. When you get back home, you'll enjoy the excellent drivers that don't purposefully endanger your lives or mindlessly stop traffic flow. "
Banjoe our traffic to Toronto isn't any treat either..........
Many drivers cut you off, won't let you by ,even give your the finger....
Bad drivers and bad driver manners are not just unique to the Winnipeg area because we had them here as well........
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 8:14:55 AM
On the contrary - I suggest a driving visit to Winnipeg for everyone. When you get back home, you'll enjoy the excellent drivers that don't purposefully endanger your lives or mindlessly stop traffic flow.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 9:53:08 AM
Banjoe, thanks for your comment..........
It was a good read..........
I'm learning about Winnipeg and how the driving is........
Thanks again Banjoe...........
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 9:52:38 AM
Banjoe, I'm beginning to think that maybe I should reconsider my planned holiday in beautiful, friendly Winnipeg.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 9:13:46 AM
Yes
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 8:53:53 AM
Tickets are a way to quantify the work they are doing.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 8:52:03 AM
yes
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 8:41:30 AM
I've driven for over 50 years in major cities from San Diego to New York City, and Key West to Anchorage, as well as across Canada, and I can tell you that our local drivers are the consistently and predominantly worst. I've seen a good sampling of exceptionally bad examples in Los Vegas and, for some reason, Atlanta but they are a marginal few and nothing like the major percentage that thrive in 'Friendly Manitoba' as it says on our license plates. Boston was found to have very congested roads during our time there but the drivers were on their game when it came to give and take to keep everyone moving. Toronto is always a pleasure to drive as there isn't a stop light/sign every 14 yards. Not sure what all that tailgating is about but your drivers are quite skilled for the most part.
Not sure how our poor drivers ever learned that we are supposed to just slow down for stop signs and have to come to complete stops in merge lanes. I have to keep on top of visiting drivers and warn them when they follow cars into a merge, that the Winnipeg merge consists of speeding to get ahead of as many cars as possible before going into the merge lane, drive as far as possible while blocking the lane, bringing the car to a complete stop, crank around in the drivers seat to do a 30 second shoulder check to ensure that there is a least a half mile of clear roadway, then slowly drive onto the main road without a signal light. I really believe that all Merge and Stop signs should be exchanged for each other here as our drivers slide through Stops and stop at Merge signs.
Try to change lanes by using your signal lights here causes the next lane driver to speed up to keep you from shifting lanes so locals have given up even signalling to avoid being cut off. And don't get me going on tailgaters.
Common sense and courtesy are completely lacking in a scary proportion of local drivers and I see things continue to slide in quality. I don't have a clue how these drivers survive when visiting areas where people drive properly.
If you end up driving in this area, I suggest taking a cab, drive like a complete coocoobat just to blend in, or at least drive a rental car that you don't need to get you back home.
Then again, if I ever see a signal light on our roads, I'll know it's you and let you slide over.
Thanks for letting me vent.
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