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contiki

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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 8:41:18 AM

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

It’s hard to argue against a traffic ticket that involves public safety. But if you’re frustrated after getting a ticket for some minor violation, you’re not alone.

In times past, a police officer would often give you a warning and send you on your way.
Not anymore.

According to local resident Phil Palter, there can be up to five cops writing tickets on a Saturday afternoon at St. Pauls Square in Toronto.

More than 58,000 traffic tickets were handed out in the city of Winnipeg in 2010, and another 57,000 in 2011.
These days, it seems, nobody gets a second chance. A hefty ticket is the order of the day.

It’s happening in cities across Canada, but Winnipeg appears to be the worst.
Police there issued 57,000 tickets in 2011. In 2012, city hall asked the police to increase their revenue from tickets by $1.4 million.
Critics say police officers are under pressure to issue a certain number of tickets.

“I think most officers would be happy to provide a discretionary warning,” said Mike Sutherland, head of the Winnipeg Police Association. “The difficulty comes when there are significant work place consequences imposed on officers if they fail to hand out a certain number of tickets in a prescribed period of time.”

Are police officers under pressure to write tickets to fill quota....

Tell me how you see it.....give me your comments on this issue......

As always please keep it friendly...........
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eB40
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2015 4:19:05 PM

No
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cDagasGo
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2015 7:39:54 AM

I still believe the most police forces have a quota to fill on writing tickets.....
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Fish2tail
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2015 8:00:11 PM

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xmstr
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2015 6:44:08 AM

In some places absolutely (e.g., most of Florida). In the parts of SE Michigan where I routinely drive I think the answer is no.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2015 6:20:07 AM

traffic cop, we learn so much from your past experiences in police work....

Thanks for your postings.....
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2015 11:58:04 AM

The fact is, cops (and regulators) can use various laws to accomplish other ends. Example: an administrator who uses environmental laws to prevent a certain party (a political enemy, perhaps) from building on a certain site by aggressively defining the site as "wetland." Sure, the owner can go to court, but it costs him time, money, and he can still lose. It's not right- butpeople with power do it.

I know high-ranking brass who carry parking and "mover" books and write the occasional ticket.

Once, off-duty, a bunch of jerk valets had me boxed in and were not cooperative. I started writing parking tickets for the double-parked cars, and that got them moved fast enough! Was I write to use my police "muscle" that way? Maybe not, but it worked!

This thread is about using "various laws" designed to effect the public good for another, arguably inappropriate, "public good:" raising money. It varies widely, but I think it's increasing, and it is wrong.

But cops can and will use things like traffic and "breach of the peace" laws to accomplish other ends. These ends may be legit, like "brooming" riff-raff from your sector, to illigit, like harassing your ex-sweetheart or raising money for the public coffers. You either trust they're doing the right thing, or you don't.
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yes
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 6:28:45 AM

Interesting reading from traffic cop......

A inside look at police work......
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 10:07:57 PM

Sorry, MertieMan, you're remark doesn't square with reality. Investigative and special units are not likely to do traffic or parking enforcement--it's not their job description. This thread applies only to patrol units and parking enforcement officers. I posted on a previous post, all officers and troopers can write traffic (moving) violations, and parking tickets as well. In most cities, parking officers write ONLY parking tickets.

But yes, a detective can write a ticket, as would, say, a youth service or evidence management cop. But they rarely do. It's the patrolmen who do.

As a traffic specialist, I did assist some street detectives and anti-gang units with traffic violations on occasion. It's a great way to harass the pants off some lowlife. I could go over some jerk's car and hit him with hundreds of dollars of vehicle violations, then call for a tow--make him feel VERY unwelcome in our district!
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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 11:06:31 AM

Yes, I do believe they are... Money for the city.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 11:01:55 AM

Our police officers do not have traffic quotas as one section of them is a patrol unit, others are detectives and other specialty units.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:19:41 AM

In most towns and cities quotas are the normal I think.......

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eB40
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 10:42:06 AM

If you worked at Lance's cracker factory and your job was to squeeze cheese on a cracker. would you be under pressure to squeeze the cheese? No, it's your job!
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 1:04:00 PM

tregal16 says " they are called public contacts around here... and yes they are to make x amount of public contacts per shift. "

tregal16, I never heard or saw the term used before.....

Thanks for sharing.....
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hacienda
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yes
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 11:37:43 AM

Maybe that faint little voice that relates (job security) on calm days, then has an incentive effect, the voice that never utilizes the ear's function, Hey!.. HEY MAN (louder sometimes)...."talking Wax maybe" LOL!
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 6:45:15 AM

I still think many towns and cities depend on the revenues from tickets issued by police......
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WilhamClouse
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 12:33:57 AM

Yes.
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ChillyVee
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 9:03:39 PM

CA is broke.

Tickets are a source of revenue.

Doesn't take much to figure this one out.

LOL
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tregal16
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 7:43:22 PM

they are called public contacts around here... and yes they are to make x amount of public contacts per shift.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 6:23:42 PM

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 10:51:05 PM

Nope
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 10:59:39 PM

It's probably increasing, but avoid over-generalizing, folks. What's important is to realize that the political ruling elite (Democrats especially, but this is a non-partisan problem) increasingly want to exploit, not serve, the public.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 4:29:05 PM

LuckyD43 say " OF COURSE they are, there's no doubt about it. I have a police officer in the family, and he admitted that they are actually REPRAMANDED if they don't write enough tickets. After all, the cities need their revenue. "

I have heard from some of our local police officers here in town and they have told me the same story that you speak about.......
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SGLuz
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 3:16:41 PM

Having been in L.E. for 33+ years, my experience was if you produce (8 hours work for 8 hours pay), the Sgt is happy and stays off your butt. For those officers who bow their backs, the Sgts zero in on them and leave me alone....For those who have been in L.E. we all know there is always someone in the squad who has to be the center of attention, which leaves the rest of us gliding under the radar!
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 1:57:23 PM

OF COURSE they are, there's no doubt about it. I have a police officer in the family, and he admitted that they are actually REPRAMANDED if they don't write enough tickets. After all, the cities need their revenue.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 11:55:28 AM

no
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 11:26:06 AM

traffic cop, thanks interesting reading.....thanks for the posting...

A look inside police work.....many of us know so little about...
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2015 1:47:56 PM

Refueler2015 & Contiki: Parking tickets and "moving violations" are different matters. In most jurisdictions, "sworn officers" (cops, troopers) write both, but parking enforcement officers ("meter maids," etc.) write only parking tickets. Parking tickets are written aggressively for revenue: all of it goes to the city or town. Money collected from "movers" (speeding, red lights, etc.) is likely to be divided among the police agency, the town/city, the court, and perhaps another agency such as a turnpike authority.

Officers may or may not have authority to write a ticket for violating HP spaces on private property. We do in Massachusetts, but I don't know if that's typical. I have written tickets in shopping lots, but I'm kind of a rare bird. Another remedy is for the property owner to arrange for automatic towing of such rude jerks under trespass (improper use of premises) laws.

Cops don't write many tickets in Massachusetts for various reasons, and the driving habits reflect that.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2015 8:41:22 AM

Refueler2015 says "Although I do believe that ticket quotas exist, I also believe that not enough tickets are written. I see many violators that get away with it. I have no sympathy for people who illegally park in handicap spaces. I see it all over the place. People who abuse the handicap rules because they are too lazy to walk the distance or the ones who think that their time is more valuable than everyone else's. "

Refueler2015, you make a very good point in your posting....
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 11:02:25 AM

Revenue-seeking imperils the relationship between police and the public, and imperils civil liberties and, realistically, public safety and order. Really!

Overly zealous revenue-seeking enforcement policies were practiced in Ferguson. City demographics increased minority population while the police force and political leadership remained mostly white. Thus the growing minorities perceived themselves as put-upon, partly because of the pressure for revenues from fines and court fees.

This dynamic aggravated the racial tension, but it can also happen in mostly white communities. As a cop, I'd rather hear, "Did I do something wrong, Officer?" instead of, "Trying to fill you quota, Officer?"
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 4:59:07 PM

I believe they are, or they just enjoy writing them.
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Refueler2015
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2015 6:06:32 PM

Although I do believe that ticket quotas exist, I also believe that not enough tickets are written. I see many violators that get away with it. I have no sympathy for people who illegally park in handicap spaces. I see it all over the place. People who abuse the handicap rules because they are too lazy to walk the distance or the ones who think that their time is more valuable than everyone else's.
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Happyherman
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2015 5:35:52 PM

I know several cops in Calgary who freely admit they have quotas to fill.
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I just think taxpayers want to know that they, each officer/officers will just Blow their Whistles occasionally! Like Toot Toot maybe....
Whistle Blasts cause PANIC! "Don't-u-know"....... lol1
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eB40
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2015 1:05:52 PM

No, it's their job.
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is the pope under pressure to pray?
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contiki
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2015 6:49:39 AM

I still believe most police forces have quotas........
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No
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Yes
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They may call it a "minimum expectation for job performance", but if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and swims like a duck.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 7:52:02 AM

I still believe that most police forces have quotas....
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subielover2014
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 2:40:51 PM

No.I don't think they write enough.I see lots of violations all the time.They should be driving everyday cars(not crown vics or impalas) and not parked on the side of the road.Blend in with traffic and watch for the speeders,weavers,tailgaters,etc.,etc.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 6:55:53 AM

Mininana has a experience first hand what can happen when by saying " no doubt in my mind... driving along the I-290 north of Buffalo, it's like driving through a cash register. oh, and may I say, contiki, that's a beautifully posed question, you should get extra points... and if you come our way, beware on the I-290 between Grand Island and Amherst north of Buffalo"...

I am glad that you still enjoyed your trip...........
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Mininana
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2015 9:23:36 AM

nice story... was driving on a lonely rural road through Oklahoma, Route 62, which we did end to end (Niagara Falls to El Paso) and there he came up behind us, gave a long walk-around to a mirage packed with three weeks clothes for two folks 64 years old... gave us an official warning, along with a wry "do try not to get another one"... that warning, 4-by-6, is one of the treasures of our trip.. and we didn't...
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Mininana
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2015 9:20:58 AM

no doubt in my mind... driving along the I-290 north of Buffalo, it's like driving through a cash register. oh, and may I say, contiki, that's a beautifully posed question, you should get extra points... and if you come our way, beware on the I-290 between Grand Island and Amherst north of Buffalo...

[Edited by: Mininana at 2/15/2015 9:26:36 AM EST]
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