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chipote

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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 3:15:46 AM

Are you also annoyed by those morons that leave their rear fog lights on?
These lights exist on Volvos, Audis, Mercedes Benz, Bmw and a few other premium cars.
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73amx
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 9:52:55 PM

no
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carinthuist
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 8:46:56 PM

yes
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FarmTech
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 8:10:18 PM

Alexi7 wrote, QUOTING: "Now it seems like pickups(especially Dodge and Ford drivers) have their fogs on 24/7. As if they don't think anyone is bothered by that oncoming searchlight on wheels. Very rude."

My Answer: What is rude is all the a$$holes driving these rice burners, or whatever car they are driving, that think they own the road and that traffic laws and common courtesy do not apply to them. They cannot wait one minuscule fraction of second -- their life is so important they do not have to wait for anybody -- so they do not come to full stops at intersections, cut in front of everybody and cut them off. What they FAIL TO REALIZE is that 3-ton Full-Sized Pickup coming at them does NOT stop like their vehicle. That is why we burn all the lights we are LEGALLY ALLOWED to do, so that other drivers will realize it is a truck and not a car.

PLUS, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. The lights you think are overly bright are ACTUALLY the Headlamps. Think for a minute. The pickup is considerably higher off the ground than most cars. The FEDERAL Vehicle Lighting Standards, that have now been in effect for over 20 years, have the beam very bright below the plane of of the reflector. What light scatters above the plane is much weaker. This is why it can be very difficult to see pedestrians at night, because they are only lit from about their waist down. THE POINT is that the design of the Federal Standards was to keep the brightest part of the beam out of the eyes of oncoming traffic. With a pickup, however, that places the bright part right in the eyes of cars that are lower. There is NOTHING the truck owner can do about that.

MOST people think the lights are too bright JUST BECAUSE they see the Auxiliary/"Fog" Lamps lit. Their mind is fooled into thinking it is overly brilliant, because like a deer they stare into the headlamps, instead of looking slightly away.

FYI, those light are NOT true Fog Lights. The proper designation is Auxiliary Lamps or Lighting, because they only illuminate about 50 feet -- if that far -- in front of the truck and about 10 feet out to each side. In true dense fog, if you were driving at about 15 MPH, it might be enough to just see the edge of the road. When properly aimed, that is all they illuminate. On today's modern truck AND cars with OEM Auxiliary Lamps (i.e. Fog Lamps), they are mounted so that they will NOT get out of adjustment and can NOT actually be adjusted. That keeps them aimed just where the manufacturers and D.O.T. want them to stay.
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watch4you
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:57:04 PM

no
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weddy11
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:58:20 AM

I have only the front fog lights, which are bacically useless in Arizona.
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:54:19 AM

I ownwd a van which was equipted with the older 35 watt sealedbeam type amber foglamps. They were mounted top of bumper level,which was too high to be helpful because the van had large tires,sat high,lights were 18-20" off the road,installed by previous owner(leasure sports hunter).

I very seldom turned them on,they didn't help in fog but did light up the edge of roadway on rainy nights.Never changed them to a correct position for fog use,that might have made them more useful.

Todays low mounted lamps, OEM aux lamps are much brighter,called as fog/driving lamps most 55 watts each help on rainy dark driven areas,fog I don't know,white VS amber? Blue aftermarket? never use them.

Rear foggers,never seen any in use,but a rear amber clearance type lamp mounted below the dual exhaust pipes of a vehicle might help for safety for following in fog,creating more distance between vehicles by the visibility advantage.Combined with a brighter color change when the brakes are applied(remember the blue dot custom jewel lenses)aftermarket tricks.

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Alexi7
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:16:44 AM

Yes, used to be Pontiac drivers(Grand Am,Grand Prix) were the worst offenders. Pontiac was grasping at straws. Oh, make the high schoolers that drive our cars when they're 15 years old think they are rally drivers.

Now it seems like pickups(especially Dodge and Ford drivers) have their fogs on 24/7. As if they don't think anyone is bothered by that oncoming searchlight on wheels. Very rude.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:35:54 AM

yes
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:32:00 AM

I have not seen these.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:08:02 AM

Haven't see it
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:03:25 AM

yes.
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04Ram1500
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 12:15:04 AM

Yep
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 10:24:27 PM

I really think they are back-up lamps that also act as flood lights for the rear camera.Seen many on Mercedes. I think it's a short or just over-priced POS.
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FarmTech
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 10:12:44 PM

I think I have seen about 15 vehicles in over 40 years that ever had Rear Fog Lamps, and I am guessing from the vehicles they were and the years when observed, they were probably all aftermarket. I knew some were definitely aftermarket.

The only one I have ever seen as factory equipment was when we recently considered a 2013 BMW X-Drive that had them as an option. The salesman demoing the BMW stated that they were either supposed to turn off after a few minutes or when you take the vehicle out of reverse, but we do not remember which it was. I think, but not 100 percent sure, that you had to manually engage them while in reverse. The Bottom Line is that are not supposed to stay on for any great length of time. Besides that are really Auxiliary Lights and NOT true Fog Lamps. All they do is light about 15 feet behind the vehicle, while being aimed very low -- about 12" -- off the ground. This is just like 90 percent of all the "so-called" Front Fog Lamps that come as options on today's vehicles.
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 8:29:41 PM

I have never seen them.
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14smoke
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 2:34:19 PM

My wife's Volvo is equipped with a rear fog lamp, but, every time you turn off the engine, the light turns on and you have to manually turn it back on.

Personally, no, I'm not worried about them being on, as the extra lights are just more of a warning to distracted drivers that the car is there.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 10:21:43 AM

I've never seen a car with rear fog lamps, and I've been on the road since the mid 1950s. The possibility exists that I have, and just didn't realize what I was looking at. Oh well, something different to look for I guess ..
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 9:39:58 AM

My daytime running lights are my Fog Lights on my car. So, don't get excited.
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gvan
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 9:14:55 AM

I had a 2001 Olds Aurora with rear foglights....the only American car I remember having them.
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 8:44:12 AM

My thoughts are in heavy fog especially driving 2 lane County roads if you are following a vehicle pressing the time interval to get to work by keeping close to the vehicle ahead of yours,then you ase too dam close. Red tail-lamps dont shine very far in heavy fog,if the driver ahead makes a mistake,the chances are you will too,becauses of poor vision,reaction time,road conditions.

Low mounted amber foggers have the ability to alert the other drivers of another vehicle in motion,not so much as they help to drive faster for the conditions,that is a minor benefit.

The color amber can shine farther if mounted low to the road,where the fog is not as dense about 4-8" above the road surface. Why I don't know but a weatherman might know.The low clearence beam is then visible farther away to be noticed,while lighting up objects.

All the pile-up on interstates due to fog is often due to watching red tailights ahead,daring drivers pushing the weather issue with a visionary of saving time,false security of keeping in sight of the driver ahead.Like playing "PEEK A BOO" Often the speed/vision distance is the factor.

So if the heavy Fog attacts you and amber rear foggers are close ahead,back off its your life... habits are easy to change,notice that amber rear turn signals are way more noticable flashing than reds. After allsaid I would be more concerned about the guy following behind.. AMBER!
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 8:28:47 AM

Aesthetics....why bother?
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EdPG
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 7:31:26 AM

Yes, I don't like the rear fog lamps. I do have front fog lamps on both cars.
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gtngouged
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 7:13:34 AM

yes.mine put out a wideer beam,and i spot alot more deer along the ditch
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chipote
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 5:25:07 AM

They are supposed to be used only when visibility is 50 yards or less, in dense fog or rain at night. The problem is that drivers think that because they have them on their car they must use them. These lights are much brighter than brake lights.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 5:10:44 AM

I see no purpose in these lights at all, and they should be cited for leaving them on.
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jes
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 5:04:00 AM

Guess I don't live where premium vehicles do this.
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