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Hemond

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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 11:06:38 PM

With new cars now coming with no spare, what is it like to fix a flat by injecting goo with a can of air? Does this work? Or is it a gimmick?


Seems to me its just an excuse to let car makers cut the expensive of equipping each car with a spare/jack/lug wrench.
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MaggieMae07
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 7:56:24 PM

I had thought about checking out the new Chevy Cruze with the diesel engine, but, they did exactly what you mentioned... eliminated the spare and give you a can of fix-a-flat. I'll stick with my VW Jetta diesel that has a full sized spare for now.
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TomB2
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 1:29:06 PM

I use a can of goo now if necessary, don't want to be changing any more tires if I can help it.
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cDagasGo
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 11:19:50 AM

Guess, just have to get use to it!
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 6:17:47 AM

I agree with Fuelpump.
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FuelPump
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 3:11:40 AM

When I buy my next new car, if there is no spare, and the dealer refuses to supply one, and a space to store it, it will be a deal killer.
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BartandLisa
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 9:55:41 AM

I'll stick with a spare tire and buy my own if necessary
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wrmedic
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 11:13:35 AM

It's just a way for MFG to cut cost. As for saving on fuel the extra weight of even a donut spare and a jack will not affect your economy enough you would ever notice. How is a can of air going to help if you hit something in the roadway or have a blowout. I would never drive a vehicle without a spare.
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Trowinsamoan
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 10:31:16 AM

Anything to keep cars lighter
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:07:14 AM

Cheaping out by the manny's.
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 7:36:41 AM

Good Morning FuelPump. I agree with you entirely. One item of note is, if you don't have a spare tire of any type why would you need a jack and lug nut wrench? Yes, without consumer rebellion, the spare tire and a place to put it will go the way of the Dodo bird! Unfortunately, buyers are caught up with the appearance of the vehicle and high pressure sales tactics and forget about details like a spare tire.

A bit off topic, but closely related to this issue, happened to me. In 1973, I purchased a new Dodge Dart Swinger through Chrysler Military Auto Sales, while stationed in Southeast Asia. The vehicle was dropped shipped to Pittsburgh, PA (my hometown) and all was well. I found a job in Virginia and that state has two license plates (PA had one) and they had to order a bracket for the front one. Fast forward to 2012. I bought a new Chevrolet Sonic 2LT Hatchback. On the list of options was a license plate holder for $15.00. South Carolina has only one license plate. I asked for a credit, since it wasn't needed and was told "We can't do that". I don't know how many states have one license plate, but figure the profits to GM for something you can't use. Granted, you may move to another state, but it is the idea behind it that bothers me. It rides in my spare tire compartment. I wonder if negatively effects my MPG? I'm being cynical now :-(. Take care :-).
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FuelPump
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 4:52:09 PM

Titanic1985

Going back to my comment about providing storage for a spare, its even worse, because there would also have to be provided, a jack and a lug wrench, and of course storage for them too. Somehow consumers have to get the message to manufactures that not providing a spare is no more acceptable than not providing a battery. My concern is so many will just not complain, and cars with no spare tire now become the 'new normal'!
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DerekS
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:46:35 PM

Works for minor punctures but not all punctures. If I get such a car, I am buying a full sized spare. As far as jacks, the compact jack is nice but, worse come to worse, I have a jack that is heavier.
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jimmy544
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 2:58:52 PM

These cans of air and goo have been around since the fifties. They are still a bad idea. Tire shops hate them because they leave such a mess and can unbalance a tire. Run flat tires are a better idea.
Only yesterday I used my jack and space saver tire because the tire shop had too much business. I would have bee out of luck without the jack an spare. Tires are so much better now buut there are still road hazards out there.
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DasAuto92
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:51:22 PM

Here's a partial reason to this reversal of the spare vs the air>
With gas prices increasing at a rapid rate, automakers are looking for ways to reduce car weight and increase gas mileage — and the tire has been given the boot. This year itself more than 14 percent of new models on sale in the United States replaced the spare with the quick-fix kits. The kits themselves are about 20 pounds lighter than a spare and jack, and don’t take up as much space in the trunk, automakers argue.
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GM, who has already made the kit standard on 17 of its 22 U.S. models, told AP, however, that the kit can fix 85 percent of tire punctures. They also said that it was easier to use for people who didn’t know how to change a tire, and it put people back on the road faster. Most new cars also come equipped with an electronic tire pressure monitors and will, in all likelihood, detect the leak before you’re completely stranded.

For those who still want the comfort of knowing they have a spare in the trunk, GM said it would cost an additional $100 to get one put.

[Edited by: DasAuto92 at 11/15/2012 12:52:18 PM EST]
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:48:42 AM

Good Morning 07skydriver. Thank you. I was waiting for someone to post what I expected was going to happen, that being "a spare won't fit in one of my cars". This is the next evolution of the can of air and, in your case, fix-a-flat and a plug kit. Even if you beg, borrow or steal (an old cliche'), you won't have a place to put any type of spare tire.

I said "thank you" for a reason as I am drafting a new topic in this regard. I owned such a vehicle and the "solution" was unacceptable as were several of my friend's vehicles. If you are still checking this thread out, can you supply the year and vehicle information. I'd like to include it in the topic.

Hi Hemond. Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it just did, no option for a spare tire at all. Take care :-) . MGY
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 9:24:11 PM

A spare won't fit in one of my cars. It has an air pump, fix-a-flat and a plug kit. Unless the tire shreds, it can be fixed quicker than changing a tire.
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 8:52:45 PM

Hi 14smoke. You're right about the wording. What is really strange is what I posted previously, that being a deduction on the window sticker to remove the "donut" spare tire and give you a can of air/sealant. Who, for $110.00, would give up their ability to drive off a roadway and fix or replace their tire? Doesn't make sense, does it?

FuelPump has it right. If a enough buyers walk away from a purchase, maybe just maybe we would see the return of the "donut" spare or possibly run flat tires. What doesn't make sense is the $110.00 reduction was in a high priced 2012 Ford Mustang, but my low cost 2012 Chevrolet Sonic did come with a "donut" spare.

It is, as others say, a cost cutting move. Even when they put a full sized spare in, with few exceptions, it is put on an inexpensive steel wheel which doesn't match the other four. This issue came up in another Topic about tire rotation.

I just reread FuelPump's post again where he said, "...and provide storage for it." Take that thought one step further and the auto manufacturers may not provide a storage area for a spare tire -- then what? Where will you put a one? I hope it won't be in the engine compartment! I fought a car fire with the tire there and we couldn't put out the fire from the burning rubber. The vehicle was a total loss!

[Edited by: Titanic1985 at 11/13/2012 8:54:18 PM EST]
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Bridge2012
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 7:22:18 PM

any thing they can do to save a $ and still jack up the price
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FuelPump
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 7:21:09 PM

Its true that some new cars do still come with a spare tire, however there seems to be an increasing number of new cars that do not. If consumers really balk, I would look for spare tires to re-appear on those cars that currently are not equpped with them. If we just accept it as the 'new normal' spare tires will dissapear from all new cars.
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14smoke
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 2:38:21 PM

Seems to me that this posting should be amended to "some new cars now coming with no spare..." as I know of several new cars that still offer spares, even if they are donuts.
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FuelPump
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 10:17:38 AM

More and more new cars are delivered without a spare tire. Its a deal breaker for me, I would expect the dealer to supply one if the manufacturer doesn't, and provide storage for it.
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 10:13:30 AM

Good Morning mileena202. You said, "The can doesn't work in very cold weather." How so? Does it freeze, does the valve not work properly or is the distribution of the fix solution within the tire inadequate? I've never used it and this is the first time I heard of temperature issues.

You also said, "...makes it hard for the tire tech to clean out everything." Perhaps that should be changed to nearly impossible and it consumes an inordinate amount of time and shop supplies. It also renders a patch repair "unreliable" even when using an abrasive on the interior of the tire's surface where the damage is. Hemond's description of "goo" is accurate.

Take care :-) . MGY
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mileena202
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 10:21:30 AM

The can doesn't work in very cold weather. It also ruins the inside TPMS monitor and makes it hard for the tire tech to clean everything out.
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toms1120
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 10:17:32 AM

Sorry to see that.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 9:38:57 AM

Done use a spare very much. But it's good to have one.
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97PearlCat
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 9:16:51 AM

I works on slow leaks, but if you drive on the flat it will not work.
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EdPG
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 8:38:05 AM

My new 2013 has 32x18 Spare {Full Size}
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jes
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 8:30:51 AM

It does work, but not on all flats. I would much rather have a spare tire, even if it just the "donut". This was an option on my wifes 2010 Malibu. She chose the spare rather than a can of "fix a flat". Supposedly eliminating the spare tire and jack reduces weight and gives better gas mileage. I'll take the extra weight thank you.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 7:47:15 AM

Not so, my car and truck both have spare tires, thank you, but of course I drive Toyotas.
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 5:17:42 AM

I think it's a bad idea. The goo does work. I've done it, but as stated earlier, it isn't for all tires. If they sell cars without a spare, they're probably giving people and inflated (pardon the pun) sense of mpg, because the weight of a spare would slightly affect the weight of the car, and the mpg. It seems like a dumb idea. Just provide a spare.

Maybe they're thinking that people would prefer the extra trunk space.
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 4:42:01 AM

Hi Hemond. This idea of injecting "goo" in place of a spare is not good.

First, if a tire is badly damaged (e.g. blowouts or ruined by driving on the tire's casing to a safe place), compressed air will not inflate the tire. It will also not work if the tire separates from the rim.

The "goo" you speak of must comply with manufacturers specifications or result in damage to the TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) valve. This is documented in my 2012 Chevrolet Sonic Owner's Manual (it does have a donut spare).

The "goo" can also prevent a successful patch repair on the inside of the tire. One company's product has been out for decades and when I worked in the garage we were left with two options, put an inner tube in it or scrap the tire. Most of those tires were bias ply and not radials.

One other point of this "fix" is that it only lasts 100 miles (documented).

I recently went to an auto show that offered a $110.00 credit for taking out the spare and putting in compressed air w/sealant. Most highway tire failures I see are major. You would need to be towed and purchase a new tire.

I feel strongly that a full size spare should be included. This statement that it saves weight and thus gas doesn't justify leaving you stranded. Hemond, I also think people should know the donut's have a speed rating of 55 MPH (I think) and many drive over 70 MPH with them. Not only can this cause tire failure, but also handling issues since the donut is typically smaller than the rest of the tire.

I agree with your statement, "Seems to me its just an excuse to let car makers cut the expensive of equipping each car with a spare/jack/lug wrench."

Take Care :-) MGY

[Edited by: Titanic1985 at 11/11/2012 4:45:59 AM EST]
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