noblegiant
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 10:21:23 PM
No! Can You Say Tesla Model S
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 7:37:18 PM
"My point is truly wealthy people do not display their assets ostentatiously."
Regarding this very un-scientific survey, all rich people do not display their assets in similar manners...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 7:15:37 PM
"You started a thread on a controversial topic. You have to expect contrary viewpoints to your own."
Contrary viewpoints with regards to the subject matter is justifiable. Attacks against rkt is not - which we have seen many of unfortunately.
"Where is your counter-argument? If you are as much of a proponent of the Volt as you claim, here is your opportunity to express your opinion. You began the thread, continue it."
Read-through the various pages - you'll find what you seek.
"You are also bragging, insulting, and demeaning those who drive ICEs (most people)"
Would love to see a quote that made you come to this conclusion! Enjoying ones purchase is only seen as "proselytizing" and "bragging" by those who have a negative agenda with regards to the topic.
"YOu are proselytizing like a religious zealot. You are also bragging, insulting, and demeaning those who drive ICEs (most people)"
Is this not insulting to rkt? Stick to discussing the Volt if you truly believe what you wrote at the beginning of your post.
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 11:14:09 AM
QUOTE::::There again, you have to pay that much tax in order to get it back!!! It definitely helps the mid to upper income brackets. Maybe that is why many of the posters that hate the Volt feel that way. Lower income people don't pay that much in taxes.:::
You sound like "Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme" that Moliere lampooned in his famous play. You are pushing an elitist viewpoint. Yes, there those wealthy enough to pay $7500 in federal and $7500 in state income taxes. But the majority of mortals don't. And most of them live extremely satisfying lives.
I live a couple of towns over from Newport RI. One of the most affluent towns in the US. I ride my bicycle over there all the time. I see what kinds of cars are parked in their driveways. These are people who can easily buy His & Hers Teslas if they so choose. Know what is parked in driveways? Basic 4 door sedans.
My point is truly wealthy people do not display their assets ostentatiously. Thats something Moliere's Bourgeois did. Buying overpriced economy cars is a way to display one's wallet publicly.
[Edited by: Hemond at 5/11/2013 11:17:10 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 11:03:29 AM
::::It was not really nice, so rather than play down to his level, I decided to erase it. , I will just zap him like the other ones that like nothing more than argue a very stupid point.:::
You started a thread on a controversial topic. You have to expect contrary viewpoints to your own. Where is your counter-argument? If you are as much of a proponent of the Volt as you claim, here is your opportunity to express your opinion. You began the thread, continue it.
All it takes is some knowledge from Google to defend your position. You are not defending your POV at all. YOu are proselytizing like a religious zealot. You are also bragging, insulting, and demeaning those who drive ICEs (most people)
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 10:51:01 PM
"But why start a thread and then not participate?"
Seems he participates pretty frequently to me... What's the problem - he doesn't post 15 responses a day to people like shock to feed them?
"I will just zap him like the other ones that like nothing more than argue a very stupid point."
I could probably learn a thing or two from rkt on this subject...
[Edited by: Weaslespit at 5/10/2013 10:52:31 PM EST]
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Hemond
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 10:08:01 PM
::::ZAP, you are gone!!! :):::
Not exactly. The only one gone is you. There are plenty of people here who are discussing the Volt. You are excusing yourself from the discussion. Which is your perogative.
But why start a thread and then not participate?
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rkt wgn
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 9:58:19 PM
I just finished a statement about the gentleman who called me a liar. It was not really nice, so rather than play down to his level, I decided to erase it. , I will just zap him like the other ones that like nothing more than argue a very stupid point.
ZAP, you are gone!!! :)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 4:06:39 PM
Whatever you say partner - have fun debating that one with yourself I guess.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:51:45 PM
"Actually this is a completely irrelevant point"
Hardly irrelevant, especially when you are making claims about it's postion in the market.
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:31:36 PM
"LOL!! MUSTANG? LOL!!
Show me a mustang taht starts at $40,000..."
Wow, you sure missed the point there, eh? Want another crack at it?
FYI - Google 'Mustang BOSS' and see what kind of prices you see...
"I guess it depends on how the shills are trying to spin at the moment..."
Actually this is a completely irrelevant point - unless you just like to argue for arguments sake (which IMO seems highly likely).
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 12:18:37 PM
"Also is no 1 is USA sales for plug in vehicles, with 45% of sales in that market."
Seems like the Volt ahs an identity crisis...
Is it an EV, or is it a plug in hybrid?
I guess it depends on how the shills are trying to spin at the moment...
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 12:16:35 PM
"I would hope it would rate highly given the price one pays. You just compared a Ferrari to a Mustang!"
LOL!! MUSTANG? LOL!!
Show me a mustang taht starts at $40,000...
LOL!!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 12:15:13 PM
I recommend GM-Voltdotcom if you 'really' want to view some Volt propaganda.
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 11:38:02 AM
"This is why the Model S blew the doors off the Volt..."
"I would hope it would rate highly given the price one pays. You just compared a Ferrari to a Mustang! lol"
Any response? Anyone? ;)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 11:36:12 AM
"Did anyone here get $7500 from the goevernment to help pay for their internet?
Anyone?
Anyone?"
Yeah, all the development dollars spent over decades by the military and government-funded private enterprises means nothing because you don't get help with you internet bill in 2013. Right?
LOL!!!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 11:34:54 AM
"I came here to learn , about the owning of a Volt"
Coulda fooled me.
"the last time you bought something , even something big , did you keep up on rebates , price etc. after the fact"
Absolutely. State discounts are widely available and easily accessed. Cali numbers have already been posted.
"I bet not because people just don't think that way , once you own it you mind moves from buying to owning"
Your unsubstantiated opinion.
"the OP only focuses on the sales part and when he does move away as in explaining his MPG he quickly moves to the warranty , again like a sales pitch"
That is because he is constantly being challenged on why this was a good value for him to purchase. Hello?
Your attack was baseless. Just apologize and move on to another thread - I recommend GM-Voltdotcom if you 'really' want to learn about Volt ownership.
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 9:28:34 AM
it still cost way too much for what you get.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 8:36:20 AM
"Better get rid of this internet then, it used government subsidies..."
Did anyone here get $7500 from the goevernment to help pay for their internet?
Anyone?
Anyone?
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:47:17 AM
weaslesspit: so i guess car salesmen can't have a gas buddy account or get in a lot of points , or even keep one for ten years
the last time you bought something , even something big , did you keep up on rebates , price ect. after the fact
I bet not because people just don't think that way , once you own it you mind moves from buying to owning
A car owners blog moves from price, to warranty service , to out of warranty service , to resale value , if you follow the blog long enough
the good the bad and the ugly , i follow a bunch of them
the OP only focuses on the sales part and when he does move away as in explaining his MPG he quickly moves to the warranty , again like a sales pitch
I came here to learn , about the owning of a Volt
this is not where any of this is going
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Hemond
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 6:52:45 PM
QUOTE ::::I also forgot to mention that W Virginia has $7500.00 credit on federal taxes with an extra $7500.00 credit toward state income taxes. Now that is a real good discount off of the $40,000 price tag of the Volt... $25,000 is a really good bargain price for that car...:::
What ever became of the principle of a product selling on its own merits without having to bribe the customer? Why must we taxpayers fund a rich man's car? Why must W Virginia taxpayer's fund a rich man's car?
Why can't these vehicles sell for a profit? These welfare payments to the rich are now completely accepted as normal business practice.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 4:21:38 PM
"If you ahve to rely on government welfare to bring the product down to a level you are comfortable with, then the product simply shouldn't be sold..."
Better get rid of this internet then, it used government subsidies... Nobody uses it now anyway, right?
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 4:20:43 PM
"so if you would please take your sales pitch somewhere else , your not selling anyone here your cars "
No-one forced you to come to this thread either so....
"it looks to me like you must be shill for gm...you could be almost anyone , that's the problem with the internet , people lie about who they are and what they do all the time
the problem with that is your just a lier"
A 9-year member with 2 million+ points? Show some class - at least civility. Just because there are those out there who like the Volt doens't mean that they deserve to be attacked like this. Sad.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 3:43:57 PM
rkt wgn : you have way to much information on the volt
even information on rebates in other states
it looks to me like you must be shill for gm
you could be almost anyone , that's the problem with the internet , people lie about who they are and what they do all the time
the problem with that is your just a lier
so if you would please take your sales pitch somewhere else , your not selling anyone here your cars
if you wish to advertise please contact the offices of gas buddy , i am sure they would gladly work out something for you
[Edited by: CactusBobs at 5/9/2013 3:45:17 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 2:19:16 PM
If I feel the rpoduct is worth it, I pay full price. If you ahve to rely on government welfare to bring the product down to a level you are comfortable with, then the product simply shouldn't be sold...
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rkt wgn
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 12:53:29 PM
I also forgot to mention that W Virginia has $7500.00 credit on federal taxes with an extra $7500.00 credit toward state income taxes. Now that is a real good discount off of the $40,000 price tag of the Volt... $25,000 is a really good bargain price for that car... There again, you have to pay that much tax in order to get it back!!! It definitely helps the mid to upper income brackets. Maybe that is why many of the posters that hate the Volt feel that way. Lower income people don't pay that much in taxes.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 12:31:58 PM
"So, the Volt based car sold 30,090 cars world wide.
Also is no 1 is USA sales for plug in vehicles, with 45% of sales in that market. Hmmmmm."
Exactly. Shock keeps ignoring that inconvenient fact that I keep bringing up about 30K+ sold...
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rkt wgn
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 11:47:44 AM
An article written by John Voelker on Jan 24, 2013:
The Chevrolet Volt is by far the best-selling plug-in car in the United States.
Last year, it represented almost 45 percent of all plug-in electric cars sold during 2012.
But how's it doing outside the U.S., compared to the Nissan Leaf--which is sold globally in North America, Asia, and Europe?
First, while the Volt is sold in Canada, China, most European countries, and Australia, the number of sales outside the U.S. is small.
Just 1,336 Volts found buyers outside the States during the portions of the year the car was on sale--against 23,461 in the U.S.
Of those, 1,225 of them were sold in Canada. China and Europe together accounted for only 111 Volts.
There's an explanation for that, though. It's called the Opel/Vauxhall Ampera.
The Ampera is essentially a Volt with a nose job, sold in Europe under the German Opel badge (except in the U.K., where right-hand drive versions are called Vauxhalls but are otherwise Opels).
In Europe, customers purchased 5,293 Amperas--about 23 percent of the number of Volts sold in the States.
So total global sales of Volts and Amperas together in 2012 was 30,090.
That may or may not put it ahead of the Nissan Leaf, for which we're still trying to get global sales figures.
Meanwhile, if global Volt sales follow the curve that they did in the U.S., they may rise substantially during 2013
And if "a rising tide lifts all boats," the arrival of more than a dozen new plug-in cars on global markets this year should boost awareness and likely Volt/Ampera sales along with it.
End of article.
So, the Volt based car sold 30,090 cars world wide.
Also is no 1 is USA sales for plug in vehicles, with 45% of sales in that market. Hmmmmm.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 11:36:50 AM
"I agree that the Tesla is a great looking car with extremely good performance, BUT, They had several years to build a big backlog of prospective owners, and I think it will only be a matter of time till it slows down greatly."
Agreed.
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rkt wgn
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 11:31:13 AM
I agree that the Tesla is a great looking car with extremely good performance, BUT, They had several years to build a big backlog of prospective owners, and I think it will only be a matter of time till it slows down greatly.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 11:06:27 AM
"If the Volt is such a great car, why did it not have pending orders for 'years and years'?"
Major auto makers (ie GM, Toyota, etc) don't work that way - they don't promise a car and take orders for it making their customers wait for 5 years to take delivery...
"This is why the Model S blew the doors off the Volt..."
I would hope it would rate highly given the price one pays. You just compared a Ferrari to a Mustang! lol
Nay, the reason for the high 'deliveries' for the Tesla the past 2 months is the backlog of orders they are finally filling. You'll see, time will prove my point.
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 9:26:13 AM
Consumer Reports is calling the Tesla Model S the best car it has ever tested. The Model S, an all-electric plug-in car, earned a score of 99 out of a possible 100 in the magazine's tests
This is why the Model S blew the doors off the Volt...
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 5/9/2013 9:28:17 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 9:24:54 AM
If the Volt is such a great car, why did it not have pending orders for 'years and years'?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 9:15:25 AM
"It just demonstrates how, in just a matter of a few months, it has blown by the Volt..."
So you are discounting the pre-orders that have been pending for many, many years so as to claim the Karma has 'blown by the Volt in monthly sales'? Whatever it takes to justify your disdain for the Volt, I guess.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 8:56:16 AM
"WOW - they sold 30K+ since June of last year? Or did you miss that part in your haste to try to make a condescending post?"
Why would I miss that? It just demonstrates how, in just a matter of a few months, it has blown by the Volt...
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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 8:17:18 AM
"Yep, Tesla's Model S outsold Volts in the first quarter of this year, and they only started selling these in late June of last year....
OOPS...."
WOW - they sold 30K+ since June of last year? Or did you miss that part in your haste to try to make a condescending post?
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 11:01:42 PM
I told you guys the other day that my wife is getting around 58-60 MPG, well tonight my son-in-law was at our house, and I asked him what his volt was getting, he turned on the electronic dash, and it showed 102 MPG. That is kinda what I expect when my wife retires. Fantastic. Now you got to remember that he only drives short trips around town, and once or twice a week he goes about 30 miles round trip, so that is the way the volt is intended to be driven. He said that today he went 45 miles on electric power alone. Nice weather, open windows, only thing using power was the electric drive and the radio, and power steering.
I don't care what the nay-sayers say, it is a fantastic car...
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 12:05:33 PM
"REALLY?"
Yep, Tesla's Model S outsold Volts in the first quarter of this year, and they only started selling these in late June of last year....
OOPS....
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 5/3/2013 12:07:53 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 9:11:39 AM
Might be okay but early in the technology arena
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:55:13 AM
"How about when the Tesla out sells it?
OOPS... Already happened..."
REALLY? I must have missed where the Tesla sold 30K+ units...
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:52:12 AM
As soon as the Fisker Karma outsells it..."
How about when the Tesla out sells it?
OOPS... Already happened...
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:45:03 AM
"and ahead of it's time".
This is very true of the Edsel. Ford also did a horrible job slotting it with regards to price (priced within the Mercury segment instead of between Ford and Mercury).
[Edited by: Weaslespit at 5/3/2013 8:46:06 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 11:40:10 PM
When will Chevy admit this is the next Edsel
Please do not confuse yourself of these 2 vehicles.The Edsel was a fine looking car, and ahead of it's time, and is a true collector vehicle, something these EV cars will not be.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:07:01 PM
QUOTE :::When will Chevy admit this is the next Edsel.:::
Feel free to visit my GB Volt / Edsel thread. We discuss exactly the premise you just brought up.
Link here.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:46:08 PM
"When will Chevy admit this is the next Edsel."
As soon as the Fisker Karma outsells it...
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:43:15 PM
Chevy Volt sales fall 11 percent in April.
When will Chevy admit this is the next Edsel.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:58:40 AM
::::Well, I guess we can assume that your post of the "clunkers" was a mental mistake then.
:::
Let me try once again to make it clear. I'm hoping you are capable of understanding. My post offers argument that Motor Trend is an unreliable authority. Its track record is poor. Its appeal is mostly to adolescent boys who have finished off this month's copy of Mad magazine. It is the automotive equivalent of a supermarket tabloid.
In any case the more important issue is the ongoing failure of the Volt in the marketplace.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:40:28 AM
"Gm is going to be forced to somehow cheapen this car to get the price down."
GM - and every other EV maker...
"The sales disaster of the Volt continues in April. They sold 1306 for the month."
Oh hyperbole... So entertaining (if not factual).
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:14:54 AM
"What this track record amounts to is no better than flipping a coin. No better than random guessing. Anyways no serious car buff reads Motor Trend. The editorial quality is bush league at best. And thats being generous. Well, maybe 16 yo's get MT - to look at the pictures."
Well, I guess we can assume that your post of the "clunkers" was a mental mistake then.
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 10:06:07 PM
The sales disaster of the Volt continues in April. They sold 1306 for the month. Sales are clearly trending down now. With 8600 in inventory they have no choice but to shut production down. 7 months inventory.
Gm is going to be forced to somehow cheapen this car to get the price down. Like they are planning to do with the equally dismally selling Ampera. They will have to shrink the battery. Maybe a 15 mile range will get the price down.
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