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yodudebc
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I've seen people stop short to avoid venturing into an amber and get rear-ended.
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toms1120
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Manolo1
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California Cities Continue To Dump Red-Light Cameras
Red-light cameras are on their way out in California. To date, more than sixty towns in the Golden State have sent the private, for-profit companies that run the automated ticketing programs packing. On February 27, the cameras in Stockton will be coming down after the city quietly terminated the contract with Redflex Traffic Systems of Australia.
MeTaBall
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justinemt14
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 9:59:05 PM

Strongly against.
Manolo1
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California: Appellate Red-Light Camera Ruling Worries Redflex
One of California’s largest providers of red-light camera systems believes a recent Court of Appeal decision spells trouble for the industry. The state’s second-highest court found that proof of improper calibration was enough to cast doubt on an automated ticketing machine’s reliability. Redflex Traffic Systems of Australia asked the state Supreme Court to “depublish” the California v. Rekte decision, effectively erasing it from the books.
subielover2014
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For.Watch your driving and you don't have to worry.
BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 9:42:38 AM

always against
2Tall
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Tucsonhomes
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2015 11:19:44 AM

I'm not a big fan, but red light running is a major problem
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2015 10:55:23 AM

Red-Light Camera Profits Continue To Tumble
Red-light camera vendor Redflex Traffic Systems saw its stock plummet more than 16 percent overnight as news of its dismal financial performance hit investors. The company on Thursday formally announced a $10 million trading loss for the financial year, even though the company had previously said it would break even.
toms1120
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cDagasGo
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I agree with FuelPump...
FuelPump
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 8:12:28 AM

Against private companies installing and operating them for profit.
Mininana
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 8:08:05 AM

to Manolo1, Buenos dias, nice report,gracias
Mininana
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 8:06:24 AM

'fraid I'm against, seems pretty unconstitutional to not be able to face your accuser, but I'm all for close police monitoring of intersections...ah, if only it were about safety rather than revenue...
dassfg
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 8:03:35 AM

AGAINST! Texas cities shorten the green & yellow light cycles to make people get caught. This causes gridlock when only 1 or 2 cars can get through an intersection prior to the SHORT green changing to yellow then immediately to red. Lots of rear end collisions happening.
toms1120
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2015 1:55:27 PM

Missouri Lawmakers Consider Banning Traffic, License Plate Cameras
A pair of Missouri lawmakers want to keep automated cameras from watching motorists in the Show Me State. A bill introduced by state Representative Eric Burlison (R-Springfield) would ban photo enforcement, while state Senator Rob Schaaf (R-St. Joseph)’s proposes to outlaw automated license plate readers (ALPR, known as ANPR in Europe).
Manolo1
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Puerto Rico Dumps Traffic Cameras, Orders Refunds
The public in Puerto Rico complained so loudly about the photo enforcement program that the territory’s government listened. Red-light cameras went up at three intersections in October dealing out $250 tickets for making rolling right turns, speeding or having a recently expired vehicle registration. On Thursday, Governor Alejandro Garcia Padilla (D) had his transportation department refund every ticket issued.
Manolo1
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Arlington, Texas Residents Rally To Ban Red-Light Cameras
Residents of Arlington, Texas took to the steps of city hall Tuesday to demand a vote on outlawing the use of red-light cameras. The group Citizens for a Better Arlington came armed with the signatures of 11,402 fellow voters — more than the 9651 needed to force a proposition onto the ballot.
Blubird
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2015 8:59:33 AM

Against people who run red lights
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47pickup
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Manolo1
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Missouri: Public Fights Back Against Red-Light Camera Cities
Residents who led the successful ballot initiative to ban red-light cameras and speed cameras in St. Charles, Missouri are now fighting back at three cities that are attempting to use the courts to thwart the will of voters. Carl Bearden and Dan Rakers on Monday filed to intervene in the circuit court case brought by St. Peters, Lake Saint Louis and O’Fallon to overturn the charter amendment banning automated enforcement adopted in November by 73 percent of the vote.
Manolo1
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California Appeal Court Finds Red-Light Cameras Unreliable
Legal controversy continues to dog California’s automated enforcement programs, despite the best effort of state lawmakers to encourage photo ticketing. The second-highest court in California decided Thursday that the red-light camera program in Riverside “did not produce reliable evidence” in rejecting the $500 citation that Redflex, a private, for-profit vendor, had mailed to Viktors Andris Rekte.
Manolo1
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Missouri: ATS Settles Illegal Red-Light Camera Tickets
American Traffic Solutions (ATS) began issuing red-light camera tickets in Missouri nearly a decade ago knowing what it was doing was illegal. Lawyers hired by the firm advised against acting without legislative authorization, but ATS pressed forward anyway, eager to seize the “first mover” advantage. ATS did lock up most of Missouri’s contracts, and the firm’s less daring competitors missed out. Now ATS is paying for its haste in the form of a partial refund.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2015 4:38:20 PM

Purported Ohio Speed Camera Ban Fizzles Out
Lawmakers in the Ohio General Assembly loudly trumpeted their passage of legislation last month that would “ban” red-light cameras and speed cameras. Without exception, local news outlets reported that camera use would “come to an end” without explaining that the provisions of the new legislation did not actually ban automated ticketing machines. On Monday, Dayton became the first city to formally announce that Redflex Traffic Systems of Australia would continue to mail tickets to vehicle owners within city limits.
redfish67
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2015 11:19:43 AM

anti
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2015 10:19:34 AM

Independent studies show that traffic accidents of all types, particularly rear-end collisions increase, often dramatically, when red-light cameras are installed at intersections. Injuries and deaths are included in this increase.Independent Studies

[Edited by: Manolo1 at 1/5/2015 10:20:00 AM EST]
AlpharettaAK47
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2015 10:07:42 AM

AGAINST!!!
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2015 2:01:12 PM

Redflex Employment Bias Trial Proceeds
Photo enforcement vendor Redflex Traffic Systems faces more legal trouble than just the ongoing federal bribery trial in Chicago, Illinois. The US District Court for the Southern District of Ohio continues its evaluation of the claims of former photo ticketing salesman Catherine Petzel who alleges that the top management at the US division of the company discriminated against women and against Australians. Earlier this month, Redflex asked Judge Peter C. Economus to throw out the case.
EZEd
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2015 10:22:24 AM

Red light cameras and corruption: They go together like Al Capone and tax evasion. I don't know which comes first, the cameras or the corruption, but they always appear together. Here's yet another example:

Mayor Has Police Chief Dismiss Camera Ticket Issued To His Employer

Willis, Texas police chief asks for dismissal of red light camera tickets issued to the employer of the mayor.

Motorists who receive a red light camera ticket often find themselves in an uphill battle to defend their innocence, in many cases finding they have no chance of appeal. That is not the case for officials in Willis, Texas where the police chief asked American Traffic Solutions, the Arizona-based company in charge of issuing automated traffic tickets, to dismiss a citation mailed to the mayor's employer.

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dassfg
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 8:57:55 AM

Red light cameras only raise money and cause rear end collisions
GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 8:37:24 AM

Well around here you will have three people running the yellow!!!!!
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2014 6:59:48 PM

Ratings Firm Worried That Northeastern Cities Drop Ticket Cameras
The state of New Jersey, Nassau County, New York and Suffolk County, New York decided to pull the plug on photo enforcement last week. New Jersey’s red-light camera program expired, Nassau County’s school zone speed cameras were unpopular and Suffolk decided to drop plans before any cameras were ever installed. These developments have Moody’s Investors Service, a credit rating agency, worried about the impact on the bottom line for jurisdictions that have come to depend on automated ticketing revenue.
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2014 6:59:19 PM

Missouri Towns Sue County Voters Over Red-Light Cameras
Three towns in Missouri joined together to sue the the residents of St. Charles who voted to ban red-light cameras. St. Peters, Lake Saint Louis and O’Fallon are asking a county circuit court judge to overturn the charter amendment banning automated enforcement adopted in November with the support of 73 percent of voters. City leaders argue that the 69,469 residents who voted for the measure had no business limiting the right of local politicians to use automated ticketing machines.
EZEd
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Ratings Firm Worried That Northeastern Cities Drop Ticket Cameras

"Twenty-six jurisdictions in New York and New Jersey drop photo enforcement, triggering revenue warning.

"The state of New Jersey, Nassau County, New York and Suffolk County, New York decided to pull the plug on photo enforcement last week. New Jersey's red light camera program expired, Nassau County's school zone speed cameras were unpopular and Suffolk decided to drop plans before any cameras were ever installed. These developments have Moody's Investors Service, a credit rating agency, worried about the impact on the bottom line for jurisdictions that have come to depend on automated ticketing revenue."

This is further proof that red light SCAMeras are all about the revenue, and have nothing to do with public safety.

Even the banks and financial entities are worried about the loss of income if they go away.
gvan
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2014 10:16:49 AM

After reading the Chicago Tribune analysis (more to come) I'm against red light cameras. There just doesn't seem to be any reason, other than generating revenue, for the camera system. Maybe I would change my mind if the city would overhaul the red light system, reduce corruption and place the cameras where they would do the most good. Part of the study indicated that right angle accidents were reduced by 15% but rear end accidents were up 22%.
EZEd
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2014 9:59:10 AM

Missouri Towns Sue County Voters Over Red Light Cameras

"The suit alleges the charter amendment will result in "a loss of revenue" and, therefore, each of the cities has standing to sue."

There you have it folks, the most clear indication that cities put up red lights for revenue, NOT for public safety.

In case you're wondering, a former mayor of one of these cities is also proof that these red light companies are corrupt, and they corrupt local government wherever they go:

"St. Peters was the first American city to see a red light camera corruption trial. Former Mayor Shawn Brown was convicted of soliciting a bribe from Redflex Traffic Systems of Australia. He was released from prison in 2008."

[Edited by: EZEd at 12/23/2014 9:59:31 AM EST]
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2014 1:56:53 PM

It’s official. New Jersey’s red-light cameras went dark last Tuesday after state lawmakers chose not to take up legislation to extend their operation. The five-year pilot program generated controversy from the start. Outspoken critics such as NMA ally and state Assemblyman Declan O’Scanlon were quick to point out that photo ticketing was more about generating revenue for cash-strapped municipalities than improving public safety.
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 8:59:46 AM

Illinois: Guilty Plea In Redflex Bribery Trial
Corruption in the Chicago, Illinois red-light camera program is no longer “alleged,” it is fact. On Wednesday, Martin O’Malley appeared before US District Judge Virginia M. Kendall to say that he was part of a conspiracy to bribe Chicago officials on behalf of Redflex Traffic Systems, the Australian company that provides automated ticketing services.
Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 8:58:57 AM

Ohio General Assembly Passes Illusory Speed Camera Ban
The Ohio House of Representatives passed legislation that would outlaw red-light cameras and speed cameras, but this legislation will not be headed to Governor John Kasich’s desk for his signature. Instead, the House voted 55 to 35 on Thursday to approve the Senate-passed “ban” on cameras that does not actually do anything to prevent camera use and contains many provisions that benefit the automated ticketing industry.
EZEd
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 9:46:18 AM

I am in favor of law enforcement officers enforcing red light laws.

I am STRONGLY opposed to corrupt for profit private companies enforcing ANY law. This is not law enforcement. It is revenue generation. In addition to stealing from citizens, the revenue from these ticket generators is used to line the pockets of corrupt elected officials and police officers.

There is AMPLE evidence that red light camera companies are corrupt organizations as defined in RICO laws. They should be investigated, prosecuted, and put out of business.
Mahalo5
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 9:30:12 AM

Even though their are pros & cons for it I am against it
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