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yodudebc

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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2011 3:03:40 PM

I've seen people stop short to avoid venturing into an amber and get rear-ended.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2014 1:56:53 PM

It’s official. New Jersey’s red-light cameras went dark last Tuesday after state lawmakers chose not to take up legislation to extend their operation. The five-year pilot program generated controversy from the start. Outspoken critics such as NMA ally and state Assemblyman Declan O’Scanlon were quick to point out that photo ticketing was more about generating revenue for cash-strapped municipalities than improving public safety.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 8:59:46 AM

Illinois: Guilty Plea In Redflex Bribery Trial
Corruption in the Chicago, Illinois red-light camera program is no longer “alleged,” it is fact. On Wednesday, Martin O’Malley appeared before US District Judge Virginia M. Kendall to say that he was part of a conspiracy to bribe Chicago officials on behalf of Redflex Traffic Systems, the Australian company that provides automated ticketing services.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 8:58:57 AM

Ohio General Assembly Passes Illusory Speed Camera Ban
The Ohio House of Representatives passed legislation that would outlaw red-light cameras and speed cameras, but this legislation will not be headed to Governor John Kasich’s desk for his signature. Instead, the House voted 55 to 35 on Thursday to approve the Senate-passed “ban” on cameras that does not actually do anything to prevent camera use and contains many provisions that benefit the automated ticketing industry.
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 9:46:18 AM

I am in favor of law enforcement officers enforcing red light laws.

I am STRONGLY opposed to corrupt for profit private companies enforcing ANY law. This is not law enforcement. It is revenue generation. In addition to stealing from citizens, the revenue from these ticket generators is used to line the pockets of corrupt elected officials and police officers.

There is AMPLE evidence that red light camera companies are corrupt organizations as defined in RICO laws. They should be investigated, prosecuted, and put out of business.
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Mahalo5
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 9:30:12 AM

Even though their are pros & cons for it I am against it
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 8:51:41 AM

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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 7:55:30 PM

For, I wish they had more to keep people from running those yellow lights... they alway push it into a red light
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vabites
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 9:33:33 AM

against. we have them in my town. most pickup truck drivers can defeat them here by driving with their tailgates down because the height they're mounted at. also, they trigger if someone stops a few inches over the stop line, but the camera shoots for the middle of the intersection. I know here in Florida the issue is scheduled to go before the state supreme court because the way our law reads a ticket has to be issued by a law enforcement officer (and our red light tickets come from a commercial enterprise). I can't wait to see how that turns out. One possible outcome is that the citys that have employed them may have to refund all of the money. interesting.
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psm80134
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 9:24:23 AM

Against.
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 9:14:35 AM

against, since the information is given to other than state and federal law enforcement.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 9:12:29 AM

California Orders Longer Yellow Time At Intersections
Complaints about the short yellow times at intersections are being heard. Last month, California officials approved the recommendations of a state signal timing committee extending the warning times for intersections statewide. These changes have now received the official go-ahead from the Federal Highway Administration.
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ChiefNolarama
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 12:42:03 PM

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EZEd
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 12:30:23 PM

For those of you who don't believe the traffic camera industry is riddled with corruption, here is a timeline showing the MANY MANY times ALL the camera companies have broken the law:

Red Light Camera and Speed Camera CrimeLine
Timeline of criminal indictments, trials and accusations surrounding the companies and individuals responsible for photo enforcement.

Although red light cameras and speed cameras are presented as tools of law enforcement, these privately owned companies, their employees and public officials are often caught disregarding the law. Highlights of these cases presented chronologically below include FCC fines, fraud convictions, bribery convictions and speed camera vehicles busted for drunk driving.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 8:07:00 PM

Congressman Seeks To Rein In Red-Light Cameras and Speed Cameras
US Representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) is leaving Capitol Hill with a bang. Last week, the outgoing congressman dropped a number of highly controversial legislative proposals, including a measure designed to discourage states from allowing the use of automated ticketing machines. For the District of Columbia, over which Congress has full jurisdiction, Stockman would impose an outright ban.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 8:06:36 PM

Ohio: Longer Yellows Cut Violations in Columbus, Springfield
An extra second of yellow time is costing Ohio municipalities millions of dollars in annual revenue. The General Assembly in 2008 enacted a law requiring all cities using red-light cameras to lengthen the duration of the warning given to motorists approaching a photo enforced intersection. Cities were given until March 12, 2009 to make the change, and the cities that complied saw a dramatic reduction in violations.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 11:06:02 AM

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psm80134
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 5:29:02 AM

Against, on principle.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 1:19:41 AM

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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 12:42:22 AM

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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 10:46:01 PM

For and if someone runs into the rear end of my car, well that will be their fault for not maintaining a safe distance.
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 9:42:04 PM

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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 4:40:53 PM

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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 5:36:51 PM

Redflex May Leave The Photo Ticketing Business
Ongoing fraud investigations and vanishing profits sparked a revolt at the annual shareholder meeting of Redflex Traffic Systems in the suburbs of Melbourne, Australia on Thursday. Investors voted against the re-election of Michael McConnell to the red-light camera firm’s board of directors, rejected the company’s executive bonus and payment plan and voted down a planned stock award to newly appointed CEO Paul Clark. Clark suggested Redflex may leave the photo ticketing business entirely.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 5:36:30 PM

lorida: Traffic Camera Firms Beset By Lawsuits
A series of decisions by Florida’s second-highest court last month has thrown red-light camera programs in the state into a state of disarray. Several jurisdictions, including Palm Beach County and Juno Beach, have suspended issuing tickets after the Court of Appeals ruled that the contracts between cities and counties and for-profit vendors such as American Traffic Solutions (ATS) violate the law.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 5:35:36 PM

California Court of Appeal Upholds Anti-Camera Initiative
California’s second-highest court rejected the attempt of a for-profit company to interfere with the right of voters to decide whether photo enforcement can be used in Murrieta. A three-judge panel went further on Tuesday and ruled that Stephen Flynn, the agent of American Traffic Solutions (ATS), must pay the court costs of Diana Serafin, the organizer of a November 2012 referendum that won 57 percent of the vote to bring the cameras down.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 9:16:54 PM

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Against.
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 12:29:46 PM

Against: Too much opportunity for abuse when private, for-profit companies get involved in law enforcement.

This isn't an abstract, "it could happen" scenario. There are many, MANY documented cases of abuse.
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 12:13:17 PM

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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:48:49 AM

For, it keep people from running yellow lights.
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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2014 4:47:37 PM

For, so it will catch some of these people that like pushing the yellow light.....
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2014 12:12:16 PM

Don K: In my opinion, there IS a legal and moral difference. Red Light Cameras are operated by private companies. These companies are not sworn law enforcement officers, they are in the business for profit, not for public safety.

There have been many, many examples nationwide where the companies have advised localities to shorted yellow light duration. This is done to increase profit, even at the cost of decreasing public safety. Studies show that longer yellow light duration increases safety. But these companies don't care about safety, they want to maximize profit. One example:

Dayton, Ohio Red Light Cameras Exploit Short Yellows

There have been many, many cases where RLC company officials have been caught bribing local elected officials to enter a new market.

Read this article and then tell us whether you think red light cameras are morally and legally the same as a sworn law enforcement officer writing a ticket:

Guilty Plea Spells Trouble For Redflex In Corruption Trial
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DonKofAK
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 5:17:57 PM

I understand the purpose of "red light cameras" is to take photographs of the driver and license plate of a car which runs a red light instead of stopping. I understand it's a violation of most locales driving laws to run a red light. Rather than spend money paying for an $80 an hour police officer and vehicle, I would be just as happy to have a camera photograph offenders and arrange for citations accordingly.

Is there a moral or legal difference between getting caught by a person watching you run a red light for via a camera and ran a red light?

[Edited by: DonKofAK at 10/31/2014 5:18:44 PM EST]
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Mikeyy1960
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:19:58 PM

against. willk just end up being another way to generate revenue
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:14:07 AM

for, it creates excitement!


[Edited by: poetdog73 at 10/30/2014 10:14:51 AM EST]
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:11:27 AM

Red light cameras are a racket, plain and simple:

"A racket is a service that is fraudulently offered to solve a problem, such as for a problem that does not actually exist, that will not be put into effect, or that would not otherwise exist if the racket were not to exist. Conducting a racket is racketeering."

There is plenty of evidence that RLC companies act illegally. They operate across state lines. The US Department of Justice should investigate and shut them down.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:55:57 AM

Analysis: Guilty Plea Spells Trouble For Redflex In Corruption Trial
Redflex Traffic Systems, the embattled Australian photo ticketing company, faces an uphill battle maintaining its innocence now that a key party is turning state’s evidence. On Wednesday, Martin O’Malley notified US District Judge Virgina M. Kendall that he would change his plea from not guilty to guilty at a December 10 hearing in the Chicago, Illinois red-light camera bribery case.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:55:38 AM

Court: No Relief For Man Falsely Accused Of Running Red Light
Lawrence E. Armstrong, a white man, was penalized because he shared a similar name with a Mitsubishi-driving black man who was photographed in California running a red light. In that state, red-light camera tickets carry license points, so Armstrong’s insurance rates went up. Armstrong filed a lawsuit against American Traffic Solutions (ATS) and Amco Insurance over the incident, but a federal judge last week decided there was nothing the court could do about it.
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