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yodudebc

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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2011 3:03:40 PM

I've seen people stop short to avoid venturing into an amber and get rear-ended.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 5:36:51 PM

Redflex May Leave The Photo Ticketing Business
Ongoing fraud investigations and vanishing profits sparked a revolt at the annual shareholder meeting of Redflex Traffic Systems in the suburbs of Melbourne, Australia on Thursday. Investors voted against the re-election of Michael McConnell to the red-light camera firm’s board of directors, rejected the company’s executive bonus and payment plan and voted down a planned stock award to newly appointed CEO Paul Clark. Clark suggested Redflex may leave the photo ticketing business entirely.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 5:36:30 PM

lorida: Traffic Camera Firms Beset By Lawsuits
A series of decisions by Florida’s second-highest court last month has thrown red-light camera programs in the state into a state of disarray. Several jurisdictions, including Palm Beach County and Juno Beach, have suspended issuing tickets after the Court of Appeals ruled that the contracts between cities and counties and for-profit vendors such as American Traffic Solutions (ATS) violate the law.
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Manolo1
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California Court of Appeal Upholds Anti-Camera Initiative
California’s second-highest court rejected the attempt of a for-profit company to interfere with the right of voters to decide whether photo enforcement can be used in Murrieta. A three-judge panel went further on Tuesday and ruled that Stephen Flynn, the agent of American Traffic Solutions (ATS), must pay the court costs of Diana Serafin, the organizer of a November 2012 referendum that won 57 percent of the vote to bring the cameras down.
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StarkForums
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 9:16:54 PM

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GasMiser718
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justinemt14
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 3:20:38 PM

Against.
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 12:29:46 PM

Against: Too much opportunity for abuse when private, for-profit companies get involved in law enforcement.

This isn't an abstract, "it could happen" scenario. There are many, MANY documented cases of abuse.
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 12:13:17 PM

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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 10:48:49 AM

For, it keep people from running yellow lights.
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toms1120
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justinemt14
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Against.
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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2014 4:47:37 PM

For, so it will catch some of these people that like pushing the yellow light.....
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2014 12:12:16 PM

Don K: In my opinion, there IS a legal and moral difference. Red Light Cameras are operated by private companies. These companies are not sworn law enforcement officers, they are in the business for profit, not for public safety.

There have been many, many examples nationwide where the companies have advised localities to shorted yellow light duration. This is done to increase profit, even at the cost of decreasing public safety. Studies show that longer yellow light duration increases safety. But these companies don't care about safety, they want to maximize profit. One example:

Dayton, Ohio Red Light Cameras Exploit Short Yellows

There have been many, many cases where RLC company officials have been caught bribing local elected officials to enter a new market.

Read this article and then tell us whether you think red light cameras are morally and legally the same as a sworn law enforcement officer writing a ticket:

Guilty Plea Spells Trouble For Redflex In Corruption Trial
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DonKofAK
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 5:17:57 PM

I understand the purpose of "red light cameras" is to take photographs of the driver and license plate of a car which runs a red light instead of stopping. I understand it's a violation of most locales driving laws to run a red light. Rather than spend money paying for an $80 an hour police officer and vehicle, I would be just as happy to have a camera photograph offenders and arrange for citations accordingly.

Is there a moral or legal difference between getting caught by a person watching you run a red light for via a camera and ran a red light?

[Edited by: DonKofAK at 10/31/2014 5:18:44 PM EST]
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Mikeyy1960
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:19:58 PM

against. willk just end up being another way to generate revenue
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poetdog73
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:14:07 AM

for, it creates excitement!


[Edited by: poetdog73 at 10/30/2014 10:14:51 AM EST]
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:11:27 AM

Red light cameras are a racket, plain and simple:

"A racket is a service that is fraudulently offered to solve a problem, such as for a problem that does not actually exist, that will not be put into effect, or that would not otherwise exist if the racket were not to exist. Conducting a racket is racketeering."

There is plenty of evidence that RLC companies act illegally. They operate across state lines. The US Department of Justice should investigate and shut them down.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:55:57 AM

Analysis: Guilty Plea Spells Trouble For Redflex In Corruption Trial
Redflex Traffic Systems, the embattled Australian photo ticketing company, faces an uphill battle maintaining its innocence now that a key party is turning state’s evidence. On Wednesday, Martin O’Malley notified US District Judge Virgina M. Kendall that he would change his plea from not guilty to guilty at a December 10 hearing in the Chicago, Illinois red-light camera bribery case.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:55:38 AM

Court: No Relief For Man Falsely Accused Of Running Red Light
Lawrence E. Armstrong, a white man, was penalized because he shared a similar name with a Mitsubishi-driving black man who was photographed in California running a red light. In that state, red-light camera tickets carry license points, so Armstrong’s insurance rates went up. Armstrong filed a lawsuit against American Traffic Solutions (ATS) and Amco Insurance over the incident, but a federal judge last week decided there was nothing the court could do about it.
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Norm1947
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 12:58:16 AM

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LibertyGuardian
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 11:35:57 PM

Totally supportive of red light camera's...I have no respect for light jumpers and runners with no regard for putting the public at risk.
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 11:29:21 PM

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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 10:32:06 PM

for, maybe it will stop some of these idiot's running the red lights.
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cDagasGo
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 9:24:59 PM

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EZEd
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 2:20:54 PM

"Cristian Pop, a technician for Redflex Traffic Systems of Australia will appear in court October 30 on charges that he stole the anti-camera “Vote Yes on 408? campaign sign on Thursday, tossing it into a nearby field."

Yet *ANOTHER* example of dirty, underhanded tricks and offenses committed by the criminal racket that is the red light camera industry. These companies' are corrupt, and their employ henchmen, not employees.
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:10:56 AM

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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:04:47 AM

Florida Appeals Court Strikes Down Red-Light Cameras
In a dramatic reversal of a decision handed down six months ago, the Florida Court of Appeal decided Wednesday that the way red-light cameras are operated throughout the state is unlawful. A three-judge panel unanimously set aside its April 23 opinion, replacing it with a decision that represents bad news for automated ticketing vendors and cities that rely upon them.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:04:28 AM

Controversy Brews As Voters Take on Traffic Cameras
Red-light camera and speed camera companies are seeing their market diminish rapidly, and employees are nervous. In two weeks, voters in three states have a chance to outlaw automated ticketing through local ballot measures. Cristian Pop, a technician for Redflex Traffic Systems of Australia will appear in court October 30 on charges that he stole the anti-camera “Vote Yes on 408? campaign sign on Thursday, tossing it into a nearby field.
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Boyrr
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 12:15:58 PM

they are not to be trusted
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 10:07:24 AM

Chicago, Illinois Resists Short Yellow Refunds
Officials in Chicago, Illinois are doing their best to resist the increasingly loud calls for a refund of 77,000 red-light camera tickets issued at intersections where the yellow warning time was illegally short. Joseph M. Ferguson, the city’s inspector general, revealed on Friday that tickets were issued at intersections where the yellow time was 2.9 seconds, which falls before the bare minimum 3.0 seconds required under federal regulations.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 10:06:24 AM

Orange County, California Advances Ordinance Banning Red-Light Cameras
America’s sixth most populous county is fed up with red-light cameras, and the Orange County, California Board of Supervisors is determined to do something about it. On Tuesday, they unanimously approved to the first draft of an ordinance that outlaws the use of automated ticketing machines on roads within the incorporated areas of the county. This includes Coto de Caza, Ladera Ranch, North Tustin and Santiago Canyon. Board Chairman Shawn Nelson explained that the measure only affects ticket cameras.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 10:48:22 AM

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against...crooked!
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EZEd
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 11:42:46 AM

Camera companies are corrupt, criminal enterprises, and should be investigated under federal RICO laws. Too many documented cases of companies bribing city officials, as well as sworn LEOs, for this activity to be "just a few bad apples." It is pervasive. It is part of the business plan. Get rid of them!
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:13:10 PM

Against.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:27:36 AM

Bankrupt Traffic Camera Company Sends Ohio Town To Collections
Cities that sign up for speed cameras and red-light cameras sometimes wind up with greater expenses than they bargained for. American Traffic Solutions (ATS) sued the city of Houston, Texas and won a $4.8 million settlement two years ago, an amount the 4th largest city in America could readily pay. The $638,093 judgment defunct traffic camera company Nestor Traffic Systems won on Wednesday against East Cleveland, Ohio, on the other hand, represents about three-quarters of the cash-strapped town’s entire property tax revenue for the year.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:26:59 AM

Dayton, Ohio Red Light Cameras Exploit Short Yellows
Ohio’s red light cameras have generated more than $8 million over the past two years. Many of the $85 automated tickets are issued at intersections where the yellow signal warning times fall short of the minimum allowed under state law.
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2014 8:07:48 AM

Against.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 5:17:56 PM

Having worked in a downtown office, dodging red light runners as I walked from my parking spot, I lost all desire to listen to any arguments against them. Put them everywhere, and increase the fines. Threaten my life with your car and I don't much care that you don't like being caught on film.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/28/2014 5:18:45 PM EST]
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krazkar
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 3:25:54 PM

Against.
All it does is collect money, it does nothing to solve the problem of running a red light.
Plus here many are speed on green also.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 3:22:48 PM

Opposed.
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Against.
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 10:54:39 PM

Ohio Supreme Court Slams City That Blocked Anti-Camera Vote
The law director of Maple Heights, Ohio was left with egg on his face as the state Supreme Court wholly rejected the legal arguments he came up with to block a public vote on red-light cameras and speed cameras. In a unanimous decision Friday, the six justices insisted that the city’s attempts to drag its feet and avoid a public vote on the operation of speed cameras and red-light cameras violated the clear legal requirement of the state constitution that the council put a measure on the ballot “forthwith” once the signatures are certified.
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TriniB
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 10:44:59 PM

For, absolutely.
Everyone of my GasBuddy do follow the regulation, especially for Traffic Lights. So, we are not really worried about cameras on Red Light. It's rreally for those who beak the law and even more important, a danger to orhers.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 9:28:54 PM

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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 7:26:16 PM

New Jersey Governor Slams The Door On Red-Light Cameras
Red-light cameras in New Jersey will almost certainly go dark before Christmas. Governor Chris Christie (R) on Thursday said that he was unlikely to support renewal of the program that expires December 16, and his approval is necessary. Christie appeared on New Jersey 101.5 radio’s “Ask the Governor” program to deliver the message to state lawmakers that it would not be worth their time to put a reauthorization measure on his desk.
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