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bongobro
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2011 1:41:04 AM

Tonight I saw a Chevy Volt on the street for the first time ever. And, not surprisingly, it was dressed in the livery of the region's major electric utility--and rather bright livery at that--as it moved through the parking lot of the supercenter where I work.

Has anyone actually seen a Volt being driven by Joe or Jane Lunch Bucket yet? If so, where? (I have a feeling you're more likely to see a Chevy Vega than a Chevy Volt, because nobody I know can afford one, much less wants one.)
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 8:16:45 PM

I have seen a few of them. Last year we got one in on trade at the car dealership that I work at.

Refueler2015
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Yep...
gvan
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Yesterday, another bright maroon one known as crystal red tint coat.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 4:37:00 PM

I've seen a few Leafs running around, I've yet to see a Volt... Other then the ones sitting gathering dust in a dealers parking lot that is...
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Not really looking.
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2015 12:12:20 PM

Saw a black one this morning.
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gvan
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Saw a bright maroon one yesterday. GM calls it crystal red tint coat.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 12:03:42 AM

No.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 11:21:43 PM

::::Oil is not bordered, and we do import oil from the Saudis and they can ship it wherever they choose.::::


Are you aware of world events? The supply of crude world wide is overbrimming. There is no place left to put it. They are storing it on tankers anchored at sea. Cushing is near capacity. There are few buyers to consume this glut.

The opec states are in a death spiral. Most need over $100/bbl to fund their corrupt states. Iran needs $130. Venezuela needs $180/bbl. Saudis need $90/bbl. The price trend is down and we have American/CAnadian shale industry to thank.

If Obama winds up giving the Iranians permission to build a nuclear bomb, the world will suddenly get another 4 - 5 million bbl/day dumped on the world markets. What do you think that will do? Can you say $15 Brent? So long middle east, enjoy eating camel dung.

Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 11:10:54 PM

::::::not talking about a public charging spot -::::


You most certainly are. YOu said "they do not allow ICE cars to park there (they enforce parking restrictions well here)."

Enforcing parking regulations is what municipalities do. The only EV parking regulation I know of is CA AB475. What a private company does on its own land is its business. They can do whatever they like. But that is not '"enforcing parking regulations"


::::And Keystone XL - who in their right mind thinks giving eminent domain to a foreign corporation is a good thing. Our government is to put the citizens first::::


By your argument we should build Keystone as quickly as possible. It will displace the last stranglehold the renegade state Venezuela has on the US. Keystone puts the welfare of AMericans first. I'd much rather we bought our crude from a friendly country - Canada, then continue with the status quo, buying from an enemy state which wants to kill us - Venezuela.

Every drop of Canadian bitumen will displace Venezuelan crude. They are both heavy sour and are both delivered to the exact same place - Gulf coast. The bitumen is cheaper to buy. Plus it comes from a politically stable country.

Canadian crude single handedly is a force for world peace. By bankrupting the Chavez/Maduro regime and freeing the enslaved people of Venezuela.

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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 10:11:27 PM

I have a few times.
nru
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 9:39:31 PM

not talking about a public charging spot - my company (aerospace - not a liberal spot in any way) put in charge spots for EVs when we re-did our parking lots. My plant has just under 1700 people on first shift, so the 12 slots are not that many, but they are a start. And because the rules for parking (including restricted and preferential spots) are outlined to all employees well, they tow.

And all the plug in spots require is that you register your car as such with security - we all register our cars no matter how they are powered, and you are supposed to notify if you drive a car that you don't have registered yet.

And to your other points, every little bit helps when squeezing putin and the terrorists (show me where they get their funds in the Middle East - selling dates? - it's all oil money over there). Even if it takes 10 years to put us at 2% of miles driven on electric - it still does away with that much support. Oil is not bordered, and we do import oil from the Saudis and they can ship it wherever they choose. I am old enough to remember 1973.

And Keystone XL - who in their right mind thinks giving eminent domain to a foreign corporation is a good thing. Our government is to put the citizens first

[Edited by: nru at 3/17/2015 9:42:06 PM EST]
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 9:22:38 PM

:::::the charge station in the front lot currently has a tesla and two volts in it - they do not allow ICE cars to park there (they enforce parking restrictions well here).:::;




As far as I know, only CA AB 475 have parking restrictions against ICE cars and gives preferential parking to EVs in public charging spots. This has been proposed elsewhere of course but there are huge legal questions as to whether its enforceable.

This opens up all kinds of problems. Such as the EV can be legally towed if it is unplugged. I can see someone unplugging a Volt and then calling the cops. Under the law they get towed. In my area no such California nonsense is tolerated. If you want an EV, fine, its your responsibility to figure out how to charge it. If a charge parking space is available, anyone can park in it. Just like we ICE owners are responsible for filling our tanks, EV owners are responsible for filling theirs. THere is no nanny state here to give preferential treatment to EVs. Its your car, figure out how to charge it yourself.

EV people act like they are entitled to preferential parking near the door. They are mistaken and they are asking to get their car keyed or worse.

Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 9:04:51 PM

::::Why is it that we want to continue to support the terrorists and communists? When you fill your tank with petroleum, you help pay Putin and Al Qaeda. Every Tesla and Volt denies them funding::::


That is the most ridiculous of statements. As I've already proved, there is no possible way even 1 million EVs will have any effect whatsoever on petroleum use.

Then to make the statements about Putin and Al Qadea, well, looks like you have work to do. Just how much oil does the US buy from Putin and Al Qaeda?


Al Qaeda is an insignificant player in the oil business. If you had said Saudi Arabia or UAE or Bahrain, you'd have more credibility. Putin is a player in Europe, not the US, but he is suffering greatly under the American oil resurgence. As is all of opec. The best way to fight communists and terrorists is to cut off their funding. The US oil industry is doing just that. Tesla and the Volt do nothing to free us of foreign dependency, the shale oil revolutions does that.

Obama is in reality the greatest friend of terrorists and communists. He stalls the Keystone for no plausible reason. Meanwhile he chases windmills by propping up EVs and green energy in general.
nru
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 3:48:34 PM

"Those are playthings for rich democrats and liberals", yep like Rick Perry and Marco Rubio

Why is it that we want to continue to support the terrorists and communists? When you fill your tank with petroleum, you help pay Putin and Al Qaeda. Every Tesla and Volt denies them funding
nru
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 3:20:43 PM

"As for recharge stations. You may have 4 in each lot, but how many times have you actually seen an EV in a spot charging? I see plenty of ICE cars parked in those ChargePoints and Tesla stations around here. I've never actually seen an EV in one. In reality I've only ever seen a handful of EVs."

looking out the window of my office, the charge station in the front lot currently has a tesla and two volts in it - they do not allow ICE cars to park there (they enforce parking restrictions well here). And how long it takes to charge matters little for commuting - charge it up at night, and then at work.

The price of electrics will drop fast, and the availability of charge stations will accelerate as we go to more electric vehicles. I might get a Tesla for commuting in a year or two. The Tesla actually outsells the Mercedes S, Audi 8, and BMW 7 series cars.

Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 7:59:26 AM

:::: I wish I could be lucky enough for an SLS electric or a 918 to be in my garage. :::;


Easy enough to do. Become a $millionaire. In the meanwhile a Corolla or Focus are realistic cars.
Moe86
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 10:54:42 PM

No.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 10:48:34 PM

QUOTE ::::We have several volts, a couple Teslas and a lot of hybrid out in the lots at present.:::


How much fossil fuel have all those cars replaced? YOu have listed a handful of cars. How many cars are in Minneapolis? A couple of million?

Lets say there are 100 that you've seen and there are 1 million total in the area. That is 0.01%.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 10:37:49 PM

::::we switched from horses even though there was much the same attitude many years ago.:::


We switched from horses to cars because it was practical to do so. Probably with the invention of the Model T. Until such time as EVs become competitive to buy, they will remain a curiosity.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 10:35:25 PM

QUOTE ::::: No gas motor has the torque of the electrics, and as Tesla, Mercedes, Porsche, and Ferrari kick out monster electrics, and there become more and more charge stations (we have 4 in each parking lot at my plant), :::


Utterly irrelevant to the argument that electrics have the potential to replace ICE cars anytime soon. It is unimportant how much torque they have. What matters is how much you can buy one for without a welfare payment from Uncle Sam. What matters is can you recharge one in 5 minutes similar to refilling an ICE car with gas.

BTW, I don't see all that many exotics like you mention driving around. Those are playthings for rich democrats and liberals, not for your basic Joe.

As for recharge stations. You may have 4 in each lot, but how many times have you actually seen an EV in a spot charging? I see plenty of ICE cars parked in those ChargePoints and Tesla stations around here. I've never actually seen an EV in one. In reality I've only ever seen a handful of EVs.

I've seen 3 Leafs, 1 Tesla, maybe 6 Volts, I Fiskar.

nru
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 10:03:59 PM

Hemond - we switched from horses even though there was much the same attitude many years ago. No gas motor has the torque of the electrics, and as Tesla, Mercedes, Porsche, and Ferrari kick out monster electrics, and there become more and more charge stations (we have 4 in each parking lot at my plant), the electrics will start showing up more. We have several volts, a couple Teslas and a lot of hybrid out in the lots at present. I wish I could be lucky enough for an SLS electric or a 918 to be in my garage.

[Edited by: nru at 3/16/2015 10:05:22 PM EST]
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 8:43:38 PM

QUOTE migwitch :::::Not a false argument. The state has decided it is in your and the country's best interest to stop burning fossil fuel.::::


Au contraire, it is an entirely false argument.


There is no possible way that EVs will ever even hope to put a dent in US fossil fuel use. According to Wiki, there are 254 million passenger cars in the US. Obama's now discredited goal of putting 1 million EVs on the road in 2015 would have replaced O.39% of those cars.

HOwever according to Wiki, there are in reality about 254,000 total EVs running around in the US today, both pure EVs and pluggins. Thats 1/4 of Obama's goal. That means EVs have only replaced 0.097% of cars on the road.

From these pitiful numbers its clear that EVs offer no hope of replacing fossil fuel use.
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 7:40:55 PM

Saw one today
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Yes.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 10:35:16 AM

The Volt is upscale? Hmmm. It is essentially a Cruze. Just because you spend a few extra dollars on upgraded interior appointments, does not make it upscale.

I judge upscale cars by how many I see in the ghetto. The bros drive big luxury SUVs, or Mercedes, or BMWs or 300s. There are still a few Magnums around, once the definitive ghetto ride. No self respecting bro would seriously consider a Volt. It would be a dinky toy in the ghetto.
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 9:21:37 AM

When it was new in 2011 this thread had some relavemce. Not in 2015.
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Yes
drydem
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 4:08:03 AM

One or two Chevy Volts commuting into Bethesda, Maryland.
Chevy Volt is an upscale alternative energy vehicle and
its primary drivers are not Joe or Jane Lunch Bucket ...
it seems to me that the drivers are more likely to be
Dr. Joe or MBA Jane.

The price of a used 2012 Nissan Leaf is becoming more affordable
so maybe you might see Jane the housewife driving one
with her dog Wags in the back with his tongue out.

I bought my Prius during the runaway toyota affair.
never looked back

[Edited by: drydem at 3/11/2015 4:15:27 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 12:33:39 AM

I have seen a few.
Norm1947
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 9:58:14 PM

:::::I ASSUME that you're starting a grass roots campaign to overturn EV and PHEV tax incentives. I'll look forward to a link to your website.::::


Such a totally ridiculous post. Do they teach you this stuff in enviro school? Anyways. EVs are collapsing under their own bad economics. Only the most jaded of greenies would buy one. Rational people are in a Cruze or a Focus or some such.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 9:53:33 PM

Of course its a false argument. There is no possible way EVs can have any impact at all on fossil fuel use. Even if Obama had succeeded in his original goal of getting 1 million EVs on the road this year - it would have had zero effect on fossil fuel use.


Of course that goal collapsed almost instantly. How many Volts did they sell in 4 plus years? 60K? Only 940,000 to go! At that rate we will be using warp drive before they sell 1 million.

When the goal gets achieved next century, we will have replaced 0.3% of gas powered cars.
Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 3:09:54 PM

"Not a false argument. The state has decided it is in your and the country's best interest to stop burning fossil fuel"

THey are not doing a very good job convincing people. Even with the Huge handouts, sales are miniscule at best...

Just further welfare for the rich....
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 2:06:24 PM

Not a false argument. The state has decided it is in your and the country's best interest to stop burning fossil fuel. If YOU don't like it, I ASSUME that you're starting a grass roots campaign to overturn EV and PHEV tax incentives. I'll look forward to a link to your website.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 11:29:59 AM

:::::So, Hemond, have you ever taken a mortgage interest deduction? Charitable deduction? Medical expense deduction? Education expense deduction? Student loan interest deduction?
::::


False argument.

It is in the best interest of the state to induce people to live in their own homes, support charities, take care of their health and especially improve job prospects by advanced education.

All these things pay off in a stronger country, with less dependency on Uncle Sam. They also lead to much higher incomes - thus higher tax revenue for longer periods.

EVs have no such positives. They are strictly a welfare payout to the rich. There is no possible way that EVs will ever reduce dependency on foreign oil. That is the liberal cover story. Au contraire, EVs will enslave us ever more deeply as the need for rare earth elements will put a new noose of obedience around our necks.

Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 11:22:24 AM

Looks like all things come to an end. The tax payout Georgia was offering to EV buyers is apparently ripping a hole in the state budget. They have introduced 3 bills to sunset the payout scheme. Looks like Georgia legislators value keeping the books balanced more than keeping the enviro greenie crybabies happy.

As it should be. If there is any real demand for these cars, the public will beat a path to the dealership. These cars need to stand on their own merits. Not be artificially propped up with taxpayer financed welfare payouts.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 11:18:23 AM

:::::Lots of them along with many more Nissan Leafs. EVs are making inroads.::::


Not exactly. If you read my link, the Atlanta market is # 2 nationwide for EV sales. Why? Generous welfare payments to EV purchasers.

$7500 federal plus $5000 state makes for a compelling reason to buy an EV. Couple this with a free private commuter highway reserved for EVs and its a no brainer.


If you read my linked reportage, the Leaf dealer was leasing 150 Leafs a month (nearly all Leafs are leased) Why? You get a new car for $199/month and a free private highway. The dealer also said all those leased Leafs are now rolling back in, flooding the market. But since the lease deal for a new one is so much better, there is no interest in the off lease ones.

migwitch
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 9:41:24 AM

"Tax incentives are welfare payments"

So, Hemond, have you ever taken a mortgage interest deduction? Charitable deduction? Medical expense deduction? Education expense deduction? Student loan interest deduction?

In short, have you ever taken any tax deduction or received any tax credit of any kind? Because if you have, you've just become a welfare queen by your own definition.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 8:53:46 AM

Lots of them along with many more Nissan Leafs. EVs are making inroads.
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Black one this morning
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 8:31:49 AM

QUOTE ::::Here in Los Angeles they are all over.:::;


EVs make tremendous sense in LA. EV owners have their own private highway system for their personal use. Imagine being able to drive anywhere in LA at any time during rush hour with no traffic? To have your own personal highway. That is the the reality of EV owners.

All it takes is a $199 lease and you never have to be in a traffic snarl in LA. You have to be a fool not to buy an EV.

Plus now with used Volts and Leafs available with 75% depreciation, the toll barrier is reduced to insignificance.

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