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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2011 2:03:32 PM

Monthly sales and comments for the sales for these vehicles,
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 10:10:19 PM

I agree, hydrogen was cost as well as infrastructure...



odd that NG is not going anywhere except commercially... and odd that Toyota is not interested in Electric, but that could change... and they could switch from Hydrogen... wonder if they actually do have something that may be a reason for the dropping of electric....

No problem with ethanol as ethanol option....




All of them need to get government intervention out of it.....
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 5:45:43 PM

reb4, I agree about Hydrogen. Infrastructure is definitely an issue, but there is more to it than that alone, of course.

Natural gas has some existing infrastructure and could have a great deal more, but few really seem to see this as a viable vehicle fuel or there would be more fueling stations outside of core cities, public transit agencies, major local truck users (such as waste haulers) and only a few of the utilities themselves.

Electric seems to hold the greatest long-term promise in terms of infrastructure availability yet here we have major manufacturers (like Toyota) moving away from electricity toward fuel-cells.

One of the great promises of ethanol was that the fueling infrastructure was mostly in place, yet that is clearly not enough in the eyes of a large segment of the consuming public to make up for that alternative fuel's other apparent shortcomings.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 10:45:01 AM

as you know profdude, the issue is gas tax on top of supply for diesel.

But You do have a nice higher end vehicle...

I'm with you on the Tesla... LOL if money was no object....My current use would be great with a minimal plug-in... my prius will take a beating on mpg due to the mile back and forth to train station... we commute via train so rarely used.. (need to use the OTHER car...) LOLI just don't see the hydrogen taking off .. even with all the hype.No infrastructure by us.

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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 10:36:15 AM

As always, thanks for re-posting all of this data here, reb4. It is interesting to see the trends.

As much as I enjoy my diesel sedan, and have thus far come out ahead on the fuel price side of the equation, I am sure there will be many months ahead that see gasoline as way lower in price in our area than diesel. This has not been true very frequently since I bought my current daily driver (33 months ago) but that has in large part been due to the recent spate of refinery related challenges effecting gassers in NE Illinois.

If I were in the market today, it would depend greatly on what I was seeking in terms of a vehicle's main purpose as to what I would buy...

If I needed a strict local commuter car, then I might test drive the M-B B-class electric. If money were no object, I would have to say the Tesla all-wheel drive would be my favorite. I might also consider an NGV like the Honda Civic GX if I knew I could refuel somewhere tolerably convenient. Chicago offers promise, the suburbs not so much. And, the Civic may be just too small for me physically. I prefer mid-size in a sedan.

If I was looking for a flexible short-distance commuter and hauler of sorts, I would gravitate toward testing the RAM eco-diesel 1500 in a crew cab layout.

If I wanted a small-medium AWD SUV, then the BMW X5 TDI has appeal.

One thing I am rarely excited about as an automotive consumer is maintaining the status quo. I prefer something different. Something distinctly atypical that tests market demand and offers engineers and auto makers the chance to put new ideas to the test is always more appealing to me. This is a major reason that I owned and drove flex-fuel technology (ethanol/gasoline) for more than ten years and 300,000 miles.

I think it would be great fun to test drive a new power plant such as a hydrogen or fuel cell vehicle for a year or two and provide feedback and data to the manufacturer for their use in developing the technology further.

[Edited by: ProfDude at 11/11/2014 10:40:20 AM EST]
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U.S. Plug-in Hybrid sales for October 2014

1 - 2,589 - Nissan Leaf - Leaf still leading all plug-ins
2.- 1,439 - Chevrolet Volt - Coming in 2nd for plug-ins and 1st for plug-in hybrids
3.- 1,300 - Tesla Model S - coming in (estimate) 3rd ... technically tops in $ volume.
4.- 1,159 - BMW i3* - Really coming on strong since released....
5.- __686 - Ford Fusion Energi - Consistent sales month to month..
6.- __644 - Ford C-Max Energi - Same for the C-Max...
7.-___479 - Toyota Prius - Selling ahead for year, but well below expected volume




Total Plug-ins sold this month... 9,553 .75 take rate.



Plug-in market, despite lower gas prices still doing well.... more than Diesels...





Information provided by hybirid cars.com Dashboard for October 2014 sales

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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 8:57:37 PM

Thanks gasmiser.. haven't put the electric cars in... thanks for reminder.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 8:45:45 PM

I don't want either one... electric cars are to limited in driving distance and diesel is to expensive. The only fuel that hasn't gone down in price.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 1:20:40 PM

U.S. Diesel sales for October 2014




1 - 2,721 Volkswagen Jetta- Top diesel increased sale by 5% over September
2 - 1,449 Volkswagen Passat - Sales down 16% from September (down 40% from last October)
3 - __746 Volkswagen Golf - coming in # 3 and wrapping up VW 1-3 sales in Diesels
4 - __506 Audi Q5 - Audi SUV selling well increasing sales from September and last October
5 - __450 BMW X5 - right behind is the SUV from BMW
6 - __426 Chevrolet Cruze - sales about same as last month, but down 16.5 % from last year
7 - __407 Mercedes GLK Suv wraps to 7 Diesels selling just 400 or more this month.



Diesels sold in the U.S. (October 2014): 9,116 Take-Rate: 0.72%

GOt to imagine that the lower price of Fuel, and Higher price of Diesel is causing sales of Diesels to drop..

Information provided by Hybrid Cars .com - Dashboard for October 2014
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U.S. Hybrid sales for October 2014



1. - 7,326 - Toyota Prius Liftback - THis car is still the leader though losing margin
2. - 3,192 - Toyota Prius C - Solid 2nd position for the low cost hybrid
3. - 2,514 - Toyota Prius V - Prius family takes 1-3 positions...
4. - 2,164 - Ford Fusion - Fusion beats edges camry by 3 cars...
5. - 2,161 - Toyota Camry - Should be interesting next month...
6. - 1,483 - Kia Optima - Significant sales vs. September raises to #6
7. - 1,330 - Toyota Avalon - 7.5% lower but still strong sales Avalon
8. - 1,318 - Ford C-Max - Slightl lower but ford c-max still selling
9. - 1,182 - Lexus ES - 40K Hybrid selling well for higher end....
10.- 1,181 - Hyundai Sonata - one car behind... sonata makes top 10... even with 44% drop
11.- 1,158 - Lexus CT200h - Lexus (Prius) increase 7.5 over september...
12.- 1,130 - Honda Accord - Accord winds up vehicles selling over 1K for October.


Hybrids sold in the U.S. (October 2014): 30,892 - Take-Rate: 2.43%

Less sales of Hybrids, showing price of Fuel matters with sale of these vehicles...




Information provided by Hybridcars.com - October 2014 Dashboard.

[Edited by: reb4 at 11/9/2014 1:04:23 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 12:41:59 PM

LOL, guess I need to check back more frequently...


Personally if some lower priced vehicles came out like the tesla, which has some good recharging options, it would be a much better deal.

I could live with a 65 mile car for most my local driving... It's plenty...

But it would be a Leaf, not a spark....If I have time I'll do some number crunching... My problem is I'm happy with my Prius... THough it would be great for my one mile commutes to train station and back home or short trips to store...

[Edited by: reb4 at 11/9/2014 12:46:31 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 12:34:26 AM

Correction...
$12/15,000.00 should be $25,000.00

(Wife was pestering me...loosing my ability to multi-task)

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 10/13/2014 12:36:34 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 12:23:13 AM

OK....$10,000.00-$15,000.00 for batteries is beyond my comprehension.

Let's see $12,000 of fuel @ $3.00 per gallon should be 4000 gallons...
4000 gallons of fuel should be enough to power a Chev Spark for
140,000 miles or just under 12 years.

I'm too far out for electric...However if I still lived in the city,
was still working a daily job....maybe an electric would make sense.
@ the present offering of electrics....The Smart looks like the best
choice (for me) $12/15,000.00.....68 miles on a charge...plug in at home..
battery assurance plan.
Our kids have left the nest long ago....(just the two of us). We have a
family car (Diesel) for travel.

There's defiantly a market for EV's but that market will remain small as
long as they cost more than their equal in an ICE configuration.

We can thank Tesla for creating a market for EV's in the "Upper" end of the
automotive spectrum.

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 10/13/2014 12:24:20 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 11:19:09 AM

LOL oldhillbillyAZ,
Your paying for the Batteries....
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 10:52:34 PM

I've tried to imagine myself paying $30,000.00 for an electric Chevy Sonic....
I guess I just don't have enough imagination.
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 7:13:41 AM

"Rumor has it that the 200-mile EV could actually be a Chevy Sonic, and could arrive as soon as 2016, though production numbers could be limited and sales directed only at states like California and Oregon, which mandate a certain number of zero-emissions vehicles. That would be a terrible shame if true, because this sounds like a legitimate rival to the $35,000, 200-mile Tesla Model III due out in 2017."


G M confirms development of 200 mile EV





Looks to be a real competitor to tesla.

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/11/2014 7:14:14 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 7:27:55 AM

Hillbillyaz, lol... Its moving that way now. Top sellers last month. F150, Silverado, ram.....more suv's up there too.

I bought my prius when gas was under 3.... Though i don't see gas going up anytime soon...
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 5:05:35 AM

It would seem as the fuel prices drop so do the sales on fuel efficient vehicles.
Now everyone will be headed to the dealer for pick-ups and the SUV(s).

Myself, I'm waiting for the dealers to start getting aggressive on selling the efficient ones. This bubble won't last long. Next stop $4.50-$5.00 per gallon.
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2014 3:26:09 PM

September 2014 Top Hybrid Vehicle Sales

1. - 7,986 Toyota Prius Liftback - Selling well with more competitors
2. - 3,192 Toyota Prius C - Least expensive Hybrid still sellin woll
3. - 2,746 Toyota Prius V - Prius takes top 3 this month...
4. - 2,134 Hyundai Sonata - STILL INCRESING SALES only one in top 12 from last month.
5. - 1,986 Toyota Camry Hybrid - sales way down, squeak ahead of Fusion
6. - 1,972 Ford Fusion Hybrid - sales down but close to Camry
7. - 1,437 Toyota Avalon Hybrid - Down but ahead ytd last year.
8. - 1,128 Lexus ES Hybrid - just coming in ahead of c-max
9. - 1,109 Ford C-Max Hybrid - Big drop in sales
10.- 1,095 Honda Accord Hybrid - remains in top 10 with strong sales
11.- 1,078 Lexus CT200h - Big drop but remains over 1K sales
12.- 1,003 Kia Optima Hybrid - still selling over 1K

Hybrids sold in the U.S. (September 2014): 31,385 - Take-Rate: 2.53%





Sales down for Hybrid market.... Information provided by Dashboard - September - from Hybrid Cars.com
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U.S. Plug-in sales for September 2014



1. - 2,881 - Nissan Leaf - Still selling well over all vehicles in plugged in market
2. - 1,394 - Chevrolet Volt - Drop in sales but still coming in #2
3. - 1,300 - Tesla Model S - selling consistently (estimates)
4. - 1,022 - BMW i3* - Big numbers of this entry leveling at about 1k . month.
5. -___677 - Ford C-Max - down from last month and last year Sept., but over ytd
6. -___640 - Ford Fusion - DITTO FOR Fusion...



7,340 - Total Plug-in Sales for September 2014 - Take Rate is 0.75


Information on Sales provided by Hybrid Cars - Dashboard September 2014

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/5/2014 3:05:05 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2014 2:40:01 PM

U.S. Diesel sales for September 2014

1. - 2,586 - Volkswagen Jetta - down in sales but still #1
2. - 1,720 - Volkswagen Passat - #2 down about same...
3. - __789 - Volkswagen Golf - #3 VW picking up some of share lost to Passt / Jetta
4. - __496 - BMW X5 - jumps over Q5
5. - __452 - Audi Q5 - down 11% but still selling well % wise
6. - __430 - Chevrolet Cruze - Down this month but still sells over 425 to be included..
**** Ram Diesel is estimated to be @ 3K but not official numbers, or estimates so not included ****

Diesels sold in the U.S. (September 2014): 8,947 - Take-Rate: 0.72%




Information provided by Hybrid Cars.com

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/5/2014 2:40:15 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 8:35:56 AM

Yea, I hear ya Charlie... with the Camry coming out with more price points might help them... Fusion is a competitor... and I am actually enjoying it...

Had Ford not over estimated (being kind) their mpg... who knows what might have happened

a mini van would be a good thing ... But evidently the cost is the issue. Weight does not seem to be a good thing... as you have said all along...

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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:17:41 AM

Thanks, reb4.

Interestingly, while the hybrid take rate for the mainstream Camry and Fusion is 10-15% or so, the take rate for more expensive vehicles, the take rate for the Avalon, Lexus ES and Lincoln MKZ hybrids is 25-30%.

Chrysler is reported to be working on some sort of hybrid version of the Caravan. That should be interesting to see.
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:31:55 PM

August 2014 Hybrid Sales




1 - 14,724 - Toyota Prius Liftback - Leader of Green comes in Strong with 14% increase
2 - _4,389 - Toyota Prius C - Big increase for low end Hybrid
3 - _4,320 - Toyota Camry - Camry drops but still sells well
4 - _3,506 - Toyota Prius V - Biggest increase of Prius models (28%)
5 - _2,943 - Ford Fusion - Steady Sales keeping even pace for fusion
6 _ _2,451 - Ford C-Max - Good increase for C-Ma
7 - _2,191 - Lexus CT200h - premium prius selling well...
8 - _2,049 - Toyota Avalon - Midsize increases sale
9 - _1,910 - Hyundai Sonata - Big drop but still big sale
10 -_1,628 - Lexus ES - Big Luxury sedan with big increase in sales
11 -_1,318 - Kia Optima - Korean rounding up sales with 14% increase.....

Hybrids sold in the U.S. (August 2014): 48,208 - Take-Rate: 3.05%

2014 Hybrid sales for August courtesy of Hybrid , com Dashboard

[Edited by: reb4 at 9/4/2014 10:32:13 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:09:01 PM

2014 Plug-In Sales for August 2014




1 - 3,186 - Nissan Leaf - Large numbers continue for the EV
2 - 2,511 - Chevrolet Volt - Renewed sales continue For VOlt
3 - 1,222 - Ford Fusion Energi - steady sales for this ford
4 - 1,200 - Tesla Model S - Estimated numbers
5 - 1,050 - Ford C-Max Energi - Increase for c-max
6 - 1,025 - BMW i3* - Breakout number for I3....
7 - __818- Toyota PIP - Very low numbers for PIP...\\\
Plug-ins sold in the U.S. (August 2014): 12,403 Take-Rate: 0.78%

2014 plug-in sales per HYBRID CARS.COM - August 2014 Dashboard
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2014 August Diesel Sales



1 - 3,988 - VW Jetta - Nearly 4K and leader of Diesel vehicles...
2 - 2,767 - VW Passat - Passat increased sales 13% and comes i
3 - __732 - chevy Cruze - 23% increase of sales and takes highest rank for domestic..
4 - __643 - VW Golf - Golf - Big increase comes in #
5 - __508 - Audi Q5 - Crossover wraps up Diesels over 500 sales for month..




Diesels sold in the U.S. (August 2014): 12,102 - Take-Rate: 0.77%


Information for sales numbers provided by Hybridcars.com - Dashboard

[Edited by: reb4 at 9/4/2014 9:51:00 PM EST]
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July 2014 Hybrid Car Sales Numbers




1 - 12,866 - Toyota Prius Liftback - Increase from June but down ytd..
2 - _4,609 - Toyota Camry - Big month for midsize and ahead of last ytd
3 - _3,700 - Toyota Prius C - Commuter low cost leader continues strong #'s
4 - _2,851 - Ford Fusion - slight reduction from June slight dip YTD
5 - _2,800 - Hyundai Sonata - Very big jump to #5 biggest gainer!!!
6 - _2,738 - Toyota Prius V - Jump over June but 20% behind ytd.
7 - _2,163 - Ford C-Max - - Numbers creeping back up again...
8 - _1,979 - Lexus CT200h - big jump in MTD
9 - _1,767 - Toyota Avalon - Continued sales increase for full size hybrid




Hybrids sold in the U.S. (July 2014): 44,488 Take-Rate: 3.11%





Information provided by Hybridcars.com - July Dashboard
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U.S. Plug-in sales for July 2014


1 - 3,019 Nissan Leaf - Leading the Pack, Leaf is gaining momentum in plugin market
2 - 2,020 Chevrolet Volt - Picking up sales Volt took solid #2 spot for July
3 - 1,400 Tesla Model S - Tesla estimated sales gets it to #3
4 - 1,371 Toyota Prius PIP - Big drop from June places PIP in #4
5 - 1,226 Ford Fusion Energi - Continues with steady sales...
6 - __831 Ford C-Max Energi - for both Ford Plug-ins




plug-in sold in the U.S. (July 2014): 9,433 Take-Rate: 0.80%

Information provided by Hybridcars.com 2014 July Dashboard
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2014 10:31:09 PM

July 2014 Diesel Car Sales Numbers

1 - 3,721 - Volkswagen Jetta - Sales jump from June... but behind from last July
2 - 2,442 - Volkswagen Passat - ditto for Jetta
3 - 1,705 - BMW 3-Series - BMW is getting into VW territory numbers...
4 - __980 - BMW 5-Series - slight decrease in sales from june
5_____595 - Chevrolet Cruze - Could this domestic start climing now????

Diesels sold in the U.S. (July 2014): 13,287 Take-Rate: 0.93%


Still not showing the numbers Diesel advocates had hoped for....



Information provided by Hybridcars.com July 2014 Dashboard

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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 2:13:40 PM

Interesting information on Plugin numnbers World Wide - through June 2014


Listed by ytd rank... 1st number YTD sales, next is month of June sales'


1. 27.143 -4.794 - Nissan Leaf
2. 14.810 - 3.133 - Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
3. 14.036 - 3.933 - Tesla Model S
4. 10.922 - 1.825 - Toyota Prius Plug-In
5. 9.865 - 1.975 - Chevrolet Volt -
6. 6.295 - 1.949 - Ford Fusion Energi
7. 5.396 - 1.241 - BMW i3 -
8. 5.357 - 1.055 - BYD Qin
9. 5.329 - 1.414 - Kandi EV
10 4,081 - 1,003 - Ford c-max energi


Link to information....

[Edited by: reb4 at 8/2/2014 2:13:58 PM EST]
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Interesting Plug-in Numbers - World Wide Sales (May 2014)
1. 4,757 - Nissan Leaf
2. 2,932 - Toyota Prius Plug-In
3. 2,307 - Tesla Model S
4. 2,296 - Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
5. 1,885 - Chevrolet Volt (and deriviatives)
6. 1,352 - Ford Fusion Energi
Interesting stacking showing the world sales of these vehicles...
Sales # for World Sales
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2014 9:22:44 AM

profdude, I think in next couple of months, that will be the case.

Remember ev's are being given a pretty big incentive... over comes the price issues and also diesel is being taxed at higher level. There may be a slight resistance, but it's not as much as one might think...

I think diesel in larger vehicles is the way to go frankly... though notice the leader of the pack is one of the smaller vehicles...

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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2014 9:01:27 AM

So, if I understand this correctly, people buy roughly the same number of EVs now as diesels. I think M-B, Audi, etal, may be in for a sad surprise that the new diesel offerings (except in the pickup segment) will not penetrate this resistant American market very far.

Yet, time will tell.
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 9:41:02 PM

June 2014 Hybrid Car Sales Numbers

1. 11,277 Toyota Prius Liftback - sales leader even with big drop from May
2._3,874 Toyota Camry Hybrid - @2 sales for this midsize
3 _ 3,291 ToyotaPrius C - Compact reclaims (barely) #3
4.__3,016 Ford Fusion - comes in strong 4th (recalc # drop?)
5.__2,510 Toyota Prius V - Continues strong sales
6.__1,952 Ford C-Max Hybrid - Still strong sales for June
7.__1,523 Hyundai Sonata - Strong sales continue for korean model
8.__1,521 Lexus CT200h - Jumps up couple from may rankings
9.__1,437 Toyota Avalon - coming in strong 9th
10__1,135 Honda Accord - Continues strong sales
11__1,102 Lexus ES - compact executive makes 1k sales in JUNE-
12__1,006 Kia Optima - VERY STRONG sales jumps to 1k sales...



Hybrids sold in the U.S. (June 2014): 39,225 Take-Rate: 2.77%

Information from hybrid cars . com dashboard June 2014

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U.S. Diesel sales for June 2014



1. 3,286 Volkswagen Jetta - compact down owns 25% diesel market
2. 2,316 Volkswagen Passat - this midsize is down 28% but still comes in #2
3. 1,058 BMW 5-Series - big increase leap frogs to #3
4. 972 BMW 3-Series - compact exec vehicle drops 13% but still #4
5. 627 Audi Q5 - luxury exec cross over has steady numbers.
6. 539 BMW X5 - rounding out grouping - luxury midsize Suv



Diesels sold in the U.S. (June 2014): 12,759 Take-Rate: 0.90%

Information provided by Hybrid cars .com - Dashboard June 2014

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EV Sales for Month of JUne



1. 2,347 - Nissan Leaf - Continues strong Sales leading the ev offerings
2. 1,939 - Ford Fusion Energi - Big jump here moving to #2 over PIP and Volt!
3. 1,777 - Chevrolet Volt - Sales slipping but new model should be coming soon
4. 1,571 - Toyota Prius Pip - Big drop in sales from May but close 3rd.
5. 1,400 - Tesla Model S* - Estimated but still pretty big #'s
6. __988 - Ford C-Max Energi - Sales increase with Cmax makes impressive top 6!

Total EV sold in June - 11,493

Information from Hybrid Cars . com June 2014 Dashboard..



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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 11:35:16 PM

reb4 ....No to either but I have lived in FL, TX, WA, CA...(all for short periods.)
I know IL used to be one of the cheapest places to license a car.....
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 7:38:15 PM

lol oldhillbillyaz..... RE Taxes, did you ever live in Illinois or Chicago area????

ProfDude, I thought of you when I read that article.. Very Impressive though the vehcile was modified to expand range (Larger gas tank) and also I am sure there was some serious hypermiling going on...

I don't fully understand the different prices for Diesel, though I do know taxes are more on Diesel.... THere will be tremendous pressure to raise all taxes on all fuels for roadways.
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 5:32:33 PM

ProfDude sez..
After 240 years, we still tend to distrust government and loath taxes.

Yeah so many complaining...so few leaving.....so many coming in through the cracks.

IMO Taxes are like rent... it's the cost to live here...It's never going to be paid off.
After working 50+ years I still don't remember getting the memo that says I have the right to dictate how all my tax dollars are spent.

Kinda reminds me of the forest and the trees thingy

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 6/29/2014 5:35:45 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 10:25:40 AM

OilerFan, I wonder how the Volvo V60 AWD diesel hybrid wagon is doing in Europe?

I would also be very interested in a diesel hybrid. Living in the upper Midwest, I would prefer an AWD version, and not many of these are available in diesel vehicles.

As it stands, I am not optimistic that the new round of diesels will be very well received here. I am on diesel sedan #4, my first coming in 1977, yet I think that Americans will continue to rail against the typically higher fuel price driven in part by higher fuel taxes. After 240 years, we still tend to distrust government and loath taxes. (Diesel prices in or near Chicago are often lower than gasoline.)

reb4, thanks for the monthly updates and the opportunity to focus on the various attributes of the high mpg vehicles in our marketplace.

[Edited by: ProfDude at 6/29/2014 10:26:20 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 9:13:42 AM

Ever since I learned about turbo-diesel technology that vw and other german manufacturers use, I have wanted a turbo hybrid combination. I knew that the gas mileage would be outstanding.
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 9:10:10 AM

From Africa to England on one tank of fuel - Mercedes Diesel Hybrid



June 27, 2014 10:40 AM"



A Mercedes-Benz E-Class has just completed a 1,223-mile (1968-km) non-stop journey from Tangier to the Goodwood Festival of Speed without a single refueling stop.

And when the diesel-hybrid car, driven by UK motoring journalist Andrew Frankel, arrived at its final destination on Thursday evening, after clocking up 1,968 km, there was still enough left in the tank to go a further 100 miles (160km).

That means that the standard production executive sedan averaged 73.6 mpg (3.1l/100km) despite heavy rain, intense heat, traffic jams and steep inclines, not to mention passing through four countries, two continents and three time zones.

Impressive as the feat is, Frankel did have a little bit of help in his mission. Firstly, he had a relief driver -- starting and shutting down the engine and building up speed from a standstill are all bad for fuel economy. And secondly, his car was fitted with the optional 80- rather than 60-liter fuel tank which is a £100 (€120) cost option on the E-Class."


[Edited by: reb4 at 6/29/2014 9:10:35 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2014 10:44:51 PM

ProfDude: "Hybrids seem to be nominally overrated with the standard test whereas diesels are typically underrated for highway mileage."

It depends on the hybrid. The Toyta Prius, Prius C, Prius V and Camry hybrid reports on Fuelly are very close to the EPA ratings.
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2014 9:07:44 PM

I have no arguement with anything you said ProfDude.

The problem is that Ford got it wrong with the C-Max not once.... but twice.

And frankly they could have promoted the capabilities on the size alone, quicker, and the all important (in some people's mind) domestic....

Here is summary from another site on C-Max

Interesting that this was article last year and the C-Max ratings were quite suspect back then.....
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2014 1:02:19 PM

EPA testing is reasonably accurate as a judgment base for typical gasoline powered vehicles, but it is not so great for hybrids or diesels.

Hybrids seem to be nominally overrated with the standard test whereas diesels are typically underrated for highway mileage.

With so many technological changes happening to the industry, everyone seems to have trouble keeping up.

Even this website is challenged in dealing with so many alternative fuels and various methods of payment, all driven by changes in technology of one sort or another.

I expect the trend not only to continue but the pace to quicken. In general, the very technology we are most excited to create and to have, is significantly reordering the world in which we live.

[Edited by: ProfDude at 6/19/2014 1:03:28 PM EST]
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Ford re-stating MPG ratings“Ford is absolutely committed to delivering top fuel economy and accurate information,” said Alan Mulally, Ford president and CEO. “We apologize to our customers and will provide goodwill payments to affected owners. We also are taking steps to improve our processes and prevent issues like this from happening again.”This is 2nd time the C-Max has been downgraded... Both Fusion and CMax are now at neary the same ratings as comparable Toyota's yet Ford Heavily advertised their "significant" dominance ....

That is the only fault I have....
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2014 7:28:05 AM

profdude, considering the bmw x3 series sold 10K in may, the diesel is doing quite well over a 11% of vehicles sold...

I would imagine that awd would do quite well... just such a hit typically on gas mileage.. Of course there were times this winter where even awd was a task driving.... Had to do quite a bit in my little Prius (bigger of two cars) and even I was wishing for awd (or maybe just snow tires)....



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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 11:04:16 PM

Well reb4, it looks like the new BMW 328d is a relative hit for BMW. I wonder how the new M-B E250 will fare in that it is larger but posts similar fuel economy numbers to the new BMW 3-series diesel. Personally, if I had the dough, I would look at the BMW 535d instead. If I am correct in the above, I wonder how many all-wheel drive 328d units are being purchased compared to the rear wheel drive only versions.

When I bought my E320, I would have greatly preferred an all-wheel version (available in Europe) to deal with Midwest winters and mid-latitude ice storms that I seem to encounter more frequently nowadays.

As always, many thanks for the updates.
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U.S. Hybrid sales for May 2014

1. 15,944 - Toyota Prius Liftback - Stellar month for the Leader
2. 5,199 - Toyota Camry - Strong sales continue on coat tails of all camry!
3. 4,641 - Ford Fusion - ALL TIME HIGH THIS MONTH!!!!
4. 4,590 - Toyota Prius C - Significant growth being eeked by fushion.
5. 3,567 - Toyota Prius V - Very strong sales 48% increase
6. 2,094 - Hyundai Sonata - kept pace from April....
7. 2,051 - Ford C-Max - Just under 30% just getting eeked out by Sonata
8. 1,957 - Toyota Avalon - 26.8% sales increase for ALL TIME HIGH THIS MONTH!
9. 1,762 - Lexus CT200h - just under 9% increase for month...
10 1,530 - Honda Accord - ALL TIME HIGH for new Hybrid from Honda!

Hybrids sold in the U.S. (May 2014): 52,227 - Take-Rate: 3.26%

Information provided by www.hybridcars.com May 2014 Dashboard
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 9:13:09 PM

May 2014 Battery Electric Car Sales Numbers

1. 3,117 - Nissan Leaf - Out Sold all Plug-ins and EV's, best sales month ever
2. 1,400 - Tesla Model S* - still consistently selling well - for 70+ K!

Battery Electrics sold in the U.S. (May 2014): 5,802 Take-Rate: 0.36%




Information provided by www.hybridcars.com - May 2014 Dashboard
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 9:07:57 PM

U.S. Plug-In Hybrid sales for May 2014



1. 2,692 - Toyota Prius Plug In - Biggest sales month takes May sales lead..
2. 1,684 - Chevrolet Volt - Slump in sales but still consistent #?
3. 1,342 - Ford Fusion Energi - Fusion challenging Volt???
4. __782 - Ford C-Max Energi - Nearly half of Fusion....


Plug-In Hybrids sold in the U.S. (May 2014): 6,651 Take-Rate: 0.42%



Information provided by www.hybridcars.com - May 2014 Dashboard

[Edited by: reb4 at 6/6/2014 9:08:15 PM EST]
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