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gohiking

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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2007 3:57:33 PM

I am buying an all electric vehicle called the ZAP Xebra. I noticed that there isn't alot of information about electric cars out there, so I'll share my experience here to help others who might like to know more about them.

The Zap Xebra Sedan is known as a NEV or Neighborhood Electric Vehicle which is fully enclosed with 4 doors and seating for 4 passengers. It is a 3-wheeled vehicle, so it is classified as a motorcycle by most state DMVs. The top speed is 40MPH. Because I am getting more advanced batteries than the basic model, I will determine what the Xebra's range will be; The advertised range on the companies web site is 40 miles.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 12:27:11 AM

"I think most people would enjoy the "paradise" weather in California more than in Illinois".

I would never move there.
Its going to be hard to charge them electric vehicles when the power goes out due to your states suicidal energy policy.

"Would never work up here in Canada. We need more heat than what you could get from an all electric vehicle".

Since they will work ok in southern california speedy thinks they will work great every where and that you should buy one.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 8:40:37 PM

Happyherman you make a good point................
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Happyherman
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 5:43:25 PM

Would never work up here in Canada. We need more heat than what you could get from an all electric vehicle.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 4:49:04 PM

"I think most people would enjoy the "paradise" weather in California more than in Illinois."

non-sequitur....

What does the weather have anything to do with the liberal paradise that you enjoy speedy?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 12:45:46 PM

Try surviving without stealing other peoples' water, Speedy. Not to mention air pollution. Your "paradise" is an illusion.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 6/16/2013 12:46:17 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 12:31:07 PM

Checking in on this topic after only a month and a half this time, Shock.

I think most people would enjoy the "paradise" weather in California more than in Illinois.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:37:05 PM

You live in a liberal "paradise" speedy. It's no wonder you like it there...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:36:11 PM

LOL!!!

It only took you 4 months to come up with that Speedy?

LOL!!!
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 11:21:29 AM

Look where you have to live, though, Shock.
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gohiking
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 11:41:47 AM

Even with San Onofre shut down for the past year, electricity prices have been stable because there is so much capacity out there. Without the phony baloney price manipulation of companies like Enron and new appliances using less energy than the older ones, and options like solar panels for homeowners, I don't see any real real crisis anytime soon.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:56:23 PM

Sounds to me like my deal is better then yours speedy...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:54:27 PM

I can say that I pay less for electricity now then I did 5 years ago speedy...

5 Years ago I was paying $.115/Kwh, today I'm payin $.0675/Kwh...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:48:05 PM

What I pay for electricity, Shock, hasn't gone up in over five years. Can you say that?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:47:17 PM

You are right, jimmy544, that the inability of San Onofre to provide a reliable source of power is just another reason for California to continue its march toward energy independence.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:46:45 PM

"You know I have solar panels on my roof, right?"

Yah, Speedy took it upon himself to be pregouged for electric prices...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:44:44 PM

California is the one who decided that they needed a unique blend, so the only persons you have to blame for that predicament speedy, is you and your fellow California voters...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:43:31 PM

bluenvoy: >>Just remember. "Electric rates will necessarily skyrocket under my plan." We have 4 more years of his plan. So, don't count your savings yet.<<

You know I have solar panels on my roof, right?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:42:23 PM

>>Also DOE projects the price of gas to be hit $4/gal (in the normal states) in 2014.<<

California should not have its own blend of gasoline. That only makes it easier for Big Oil to gouge us on the price. How many blends do we really need to make in the United States?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:11:49 AM

Nobody can make any realistic projections of oil prices. We are finding more and more oil, but world usage is increasing. The price is a momentary ratio of supply and demand.
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geobmw
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 11:58:42 PM

so
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 10:00:57 PM

A power plant shut down is nothing to celebrate out in california.

Also DOE projects the price of gas to be hit $4/gal (in the normal states) in 2014.
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 5:31:54 PM

jimmy544 explains:

"In California they may make the San Onofre nuke shutdown permanent due to a botched reactor upgrade. The utility had argued that this plants shutdown would cause brownouts and blackouts and higher prices but none of that happened. This is likely due to aggressive deployment of solar panels and renewable energy of various kinds and lack of growth from the recession."

Yes, perhaps the shutdown will be permanent, but likely not; its a major power source in this area. I actually live in this area. The reason that we haven't had brownout has nothing to do with solar panels, which have virtually no impact here. Its because the last couple of summers have been relatively cool, with many fewer hot days. A prolonged heat spell here, and we will. We are already deploying remote shutdown of electric meters here.
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jimmy544
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 1:13:22 PM

In California they may make the San Onofre nuke shutdown permanent due to a botched reactor upgrade. The utility had argued that this plants shutdown would cause brownouts and blackouts and higher prices but none of that happened. This is likely due to aggressive deployment of solar panels and renewable energy of various kinds and lack of growth from the recession. Solar energy is doubling every couple of years now and it is beginning to tip the balance towards surplus.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 11:31:08 AM

Just remember. "Electric rates will necessarily skyrocket under my plan." We have 4 more years of his plan. So, don't count your savings yet.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 11:26:11 AM

It's no wonder that interest in EV's and natural gas vehicles is high. Just look at this week's poll on the home page. Only 15% of GB's think that gas prices will go down in the next year.
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jimmy544
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:12:01 AM

Traffic cop misses one thing about fuel prices that most do not really understand. Oil is a worldwide commodity during the last 5 years the consumption of oil in China and India and other developing countries has skyrocketed. World oil consumption is tight and so are supplies. Or at least that is what they are telling us.

WE have to get off oil. It is running out and destroying the environment the longer we put it off the worse it will be when we are forced to go off of oil. What ever it is fossil fuels will run out eventually. It is better to conserve what we have with high mileage standards and use the time to convert.
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:31:04 PM

When Bush left office, the market was at the bottom of a price over-correction. Gas was about $1.89

The strange thing is that (due to oil leases signed during Bush, and now brought on-line) Obama has presided over increased oil production, het we have seen generally increasing gas prices. They have been hovering in the $3.50-4.00 range, nationwide.

Obama has shown himself to be highly prejudiced against hydrocarbon fuels, and has successfully enlisted the support of shrewd financial insiders (e.g. Goldman-Sachs) and the ever-faithful eco-idealogues.

The root cause is financial, not market dynamics or oil production. That is, the Administration's deficit spending and the Federal Reserve's increasing ("quantitative easing") the money supply.

It now takes you $100 to buy what you paid $80 for in 2008. The Food Commodity Index in 2008 was 145; now it is 210. Remember: before he became Secretary of the Treasury, tax-cheat Timmy Geithner was President of the NY Federal Reserve Bank--second only to the Chairman!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:19:19 PM

"Big Oil's gas prices have been too expensive for about five years."

Oil prices have been comparatively high for far longer then 5 years. In fact the highes national gas price was hit early on in the Bnush adminsitration.

Even with the high gas prices, it's still far more economical to own and drive an ICE over an EV...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 4:53:16 AM

101Speedster - "Big Oil's gas prices have been too expensive for about five years. Let's see, what happened about five years ago? "

"Big Oil" prices have ALWAYS followed the market. Just like everything else.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:11:16 AM

Big Oil's gas prices have been too expensive for about five years. Let's see, what happened about five years ago?
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 2:00:10 AM

101Speedster believes:

"Temporary nature of California price increase? There is no such thing."

Temporary is exactly what they are, given that gasoline in California has dropped more than a dollar per gallon since I last predicted its temporary rise.

[Edited by: E-Squirrel at 12/18/2012 2:02:08 AM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 1:27:45 PM

I buy gasoline when my car tank is empty which is sometimes every other day.

Temporary nature of California price increase? There is no such thing.
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 3:14:35 PM

101Speedster, the electric car champ filled his vehicle's gas tank for $74.20.

At an average California price of $4.654, that would be about 16 gallons.

So tell us, what kind of a vehicle is it? And, why did you wait until yesterday to fill it, given the very temporary nature of this California price increase?

Inquiring minds....

[Edited by: E-Squirrel at 10/9/2012 3:15:06 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 8:41:23 AM

That's what happens when you own a gas guzzler...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 8:39:40 AM

It cost me $74.20 to fill up my car yesterday with gasoline.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 12:11:11 PM

"All toyota had to do was look at leaf, volt and tesla sales to realize there is no room for another manufacturer to make money on any class of electric vehicles in the U.S. market."

All Toyota had to do was look at the Leaf and Volt to realize not only there isn't room for an iQ there isn't room for the Leaf and the Volt.

Am afraid to offer an even trade of my 5 year old Prius to the Nissan dealer for a new Leaf. Afraid they would accept my offer. Then again I have an SUV also that could serve when the Leaf doesn't.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:49:42 AM

"toyota not "big oil" killed the electric car"

It looks like suicide to me.

All toyota had to do was look at leaf, volt and tesla sales to realize there is no room for another manufacturer to make money on any class of electric vehicles in the U.S. market.
Last time I checked toyota was not an environmental charity.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 8:31:56 AM

I heard they were going to make 100's not 1,000's of evs for u.s. market.
Did not hear they were dropping it completely.

You may want to check multiple sources..
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 3:14:16 AM

Toyota, the developer for the first and, so far, the most successful gasoline-electric hybrid is dropping its plans to sell electric cars and is instead, focusing on building many more vehicles of all types with its proven gas-electric hybrid technology.

Takeshi Uchiyamada, Toyota’s vice chairman and the engineer who oversees vehicle development, told reporters:

“The current capabilities of electric vehicles do not meet society’s needs, whether it may be the distance the cars can run, or the costs, or how it takes a long time to charge".

I guess that now, you can start saying that Toyota, not "Big Oil" killed the electric car.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 9:38:45 AM

"It is already happening in California"

Everybody in California is buying electric cars?

Why do I think this is a false statement?
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 8:08:36 AM

I dont recall how far they went.
But on the british motor ways most of the speed limits are 70mph.
You take a leaf up to 70mph and the 90 or so claimed miles you start out with start dropping off at about a 1:2 rate.
Where you are driving and start out with say 80 miles on the battery life gauge get up to speed and a few miles later you are down to 40 miles and dropping fast.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 9/2/2012 8:10:40 AM EST]
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 7:35:18 AM

40 miles is a why-bother for me. I would have to have double that before it would even begin to have use.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 7:00:02 AM

Just watched episode 5 or 6 of season 17 of top gear.
The leaf and ion they tested required 13 hours of charging off british 220v power to go from empty to full charge.
Your standard British power plug is 220v fused to 13amps, thats 2.8kw.
A standard US out let will give you 120v at 15amps, thats a meer 1.8kw.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 7:23:15 PM

I doubt EVs make up more than 5% of sales in california.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 4:18:15 PM

>>What do you think, EVeryone is going to start buying EV in the next 3 to 5 years?<<

It is already happening in California.
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Bluebird333
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 12:38:23 AM

I would rather have a hybrid at least you can stop and fill up.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 9:27:32 PM

"Electric cars will soon be the norm".
Just because you say something over and over wont make it come true.

I beliEVe it was in 2008 or 2009 DOE published a paper with their estimates on electric vehicles, they said that by 2020 only 3% of vehicles on the road would be EV or plug in hybrid.
So far I would say their 2020 figure is right on track.
And that by 2030 only 10% of vehicles on the road will be EV or plug in hybrid. DOE beliEVes that a large portion of that 10% in 2030 will be plug in hybrid.

I wouldn't call 2030 "soon" or 10% the "norm" or "plug in hybrids" electric cars.

What do you think, EVeryone is going to start buying EV in the next 3 to 5 years?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 4:42:03 PM

Electric cars will soon be the norm.
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jimmy544
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 1:13:44 PM

This vehicle is not cspable for highway use get a Ford Fusion hybrid. Much better.
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gvan
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 12:45:37 PM

ZAP Zebra
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