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dabne

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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2014 11:22:10 AM

I quit this site years ago because the professional point chasers voted that it wasn't Ok to post the lowest price unless it was an every day price. The Centex next to me for example has a 2 cent lower price on WEDs and FSATs & SUNs. Wasn't allow to post that - stupid eh?

Boycotts - only one I ever heard of working was by Chris Pearson many years ago in Lethbridge where they actually forced the closer of a gas station because of there efforts. None of you have what it takes to pull of what he did. I brought him in to speak to a public meeting I organized for gas buyers and to present the option below - not one single person showed up.

The reality is, high gas prices are not that big an issue for enough people - it is strictly media hype. most people realize they just have to suck it up and settle for the futile alternative of chasing the lower gas price for a few measly dollars in savings.

The simple reality is that oil companies and their retailer gas stations represent a huge organized power that you as an INDIVIDUAL gas buyer have absolutely no pawer to influence. The absolute only way you could possibly have a small impact on what you pay for gas, is to organize consumer gas buying into a cooperative group and then target one station or brand. As a buying group you have a little negotiating power but, a large organized buying group could make a bit of a dent. It takes size and power to beat size and power.

Good luck.
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2014 7:56:50 AM

magpie, if you mean reduce your personal consumption of gas, then that is a doubly good thing, since lower demand = lower prices, and lower personal demand = lower cost.
If you are advocating some kind of scheme where no one fills their tanks to somehow affect the distribution system, that is a different story. The "no fill" idea has been debunked many times.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 3:30:02 PM

magpie2013:

Can you explain what not filling up "OUR TANKS" will do? Or what effect not filling up "OUR TANKS" will have on anything?

You may understand what you mean, but I doubt the rest of us do.
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 12:09:36 PM

If we would all stick together and not FILL UP OUR TANKS, we could make a difference. But most of us are willing to complain and only a few of us are willing to try something!!!!! Walk, ride your bike, DON'T FILL YOUR TANKS!!!!!
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sirreal1984
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2014 3:44:57 PM

What's an FSAT?
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HeavyDuty_cache
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 8:44:00 AM

Have you ever read the posting guidelines?

If you were not happy with the policies you should have contacted those in charge, after all it is their site not ours.

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rocknvox
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2014 2:39:42 AM

This is totally strange
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 9:01:55 PM

rumbleseat:

I understand what you're saying but what was in the original post isn't (not the way I read the post) was that the price on Wednesdays (and FSATs and Sundays) was the pylon or overhead sign post as well as being the pump price, and that price was for everyone. No membership, no extra purchases, no club cards, etc., were required.

Instead, it was "This is the price of gas on Tuesday...on Wednesday it will drop two cents and the price of gas will be [Tuesday price minus two cents]; gas is going up two cents on Thursday over the Wednesday price."

I think,
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 7:56:07 PM

rumbleseat:

I understand what you're saying but what was in the original post isn't (not the way I read the post) was that the price on Wednesdays (and FSATs and Sundays) was the pylon or overhead sign post as well as being the pump price, and that price was for everyone. No membership, no extra purchases, no club cards, etc., were required.

Instead, it was "This is the price of gas on Tuesday...on Wednesday it will drop two cents and the price of gas will be [Tuesday price minus two cents]; gas is going up two cents on Thursday over the Wednesday price."

I think, if I remember correctly, the issue was how everyone interpreted "discount" differently, whereas, in this case, instead of the word "discount", you could instead say "Prices drop two cents every Wednesday, every FSAT, and every Sunday."

I do, however, understand your post. Cheers.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 4:58:28 PM

Unfortunately Gas Buddy, you are advocating a position we were absolutely NOT allowed to to follow. I should have kept all the e-mails, but it was several years ago, so it has long been settled.
However, references to this, and the e-mails I received, still exist in our Winnipeg forums.
For a long time we followed a policy that was okayed by JT in a message, that said the price PAID by everybody was the price we posted, then that was over-ruled, and we were told no exceptions, the price on the pylon was to be posted, and any discount, even if it was available to everybody in the world, could be noted in comments.
We went around this for a long time, and I think it was in 2008 that I received a notice that said I had to post the pylon price, and it implied I could be banned for posting wrong prices if I continued to post pump prices that were different from the pylon price, whether it was a one day sale, or permanent.
This all came over Safeway.
They gave a 3.5 cent discount to Club holders, and posted the discounted price on the pylon. The first time another chain matched the discount Safeway dropped their price. After a few go-rounds, everybody matched Safeway price AT THE PUMP, but not on the pylon.
In other words, if everybody posted 107.9, Safeway posted 104.4, but everybody else had 104.4 on the pump. They didn't change the pylon to avoid continuous price wars. We were ordered to stop posting 104.4 pump price for all the stations that sold for 104.4 if they had 107.9 on the pylon.
I received an e-mail on April 2, 2008 asking me to report any GasBuddies who reported the actual pump price if it was not the pylon price.

So take it as you will, I agree totally with you, but several years ago I was slapped down, as were Gasbuddies in several Western Canadian cities where the same situation with Safeway gas bars existed.
Safeway no longer discounts on the pylon, the discounts are only available when store purchases add up on the Club Card account, but I will never forget being told I had to follow rules that meant I had to post prices for most of the stations in town that absolutely nobody was paying at the time.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 3/2/2014 5:00:00 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 1:12:12 PM

A one day discount, if available to everyone, is no different than if a gas station reduced the price and increased the price the following day.

If there are restrictions on receiving the discount, such as being required to buy something else in order to receive the discount, or if the discount was for a short period of time "between the hours of." (for example, 6 and 8 a.m.), that would be different. But posting a price that's in effect all day is no different than posting if yesterday's price dropped today, and you know it will go back up tomorrow; you wouldn't not post today's gas price because you know it will increase tomorrow, would you?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 7:32:15 AM

We have some Domo stations that have discount days. The price is effective that day only, back to regular the next.
The discounted price is on a sidewalk board, not the pylon, or occasionally on a poster. We have ALWAYS asked the regular price be put on GB, and the discount to be noted in comments.
The actual price hasn't changed, it is a temporary discount. It was made very clear to us some time back that the GB policy is to post the pylon price, and this was made official in the FAQ.
"When entering prices for stations that provide discounts (ie, Member Prices, Price With Car Wash, Price After Store Purchase, etc.) we ask that the price be listed BEFORE any discount. The discount price may be entered in the provided Comments field, however; a comment is not absolutely required."
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 7:16:46 AM

Not to be disrespectful, but if you organize a meeting and no one shows up, you did not organize a meeting.
Gas prices are not set by individual stations, other than their mark up.
Station owners usually clear around a nickle per gallon, so no station boycott is going to affect pricing.
If the station he "forced the closer" of was pricing gas way above normal markup, public choice was going to close it with or without Mr. Pearson.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2014 7:21:07 PM

First, if the Wednesday, FSATs (whatever that is, Friday or Saturday or both) and Sundays prices were the prices available to the general public (that is, no gas card or membership necessary, no buying something else to get the discount, etc.), then that is (or was) the lowest everyday price. Just because a price goes up the next day doesn't mean you can't post the price; prices go up and down every day in many areas and that's why Gas Buddy members post prices - to keep the viewing price current. Not sure who said you weren't "allow to post" those prices.

By referring to Chris Pearson I assume you mean the former Yukon politician who recently passed away, but I don't know of anything concerning his efforts forcing a gas station to close. Sorry, but what's the point? That he, for whatever reason, boycotted a specific gas station and forced it to close? Was that the point of his boycott, to force the station to close? Or was there something else that was the goal of the boycott, and the station closing was a by-product of the boycott?

Second, you wrote, "I organized for gas buyers and to present the option below..." Maybe I'm misreading your post, but what "option" were you presenting? The option that high gas prices aren't a big issues? Or that "INDIVIDUAL gas buyers have absolutely no pawer to influence"? Those aren't "options"; those are statements, comments, beliefs, opinions, or whatever, but they're not "options", at least not as I understand what "options" are.

Sorry, just trying to get a better understanding of what your points are.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2014 7:08:42 PM

"The Centex next to me for example has a 2 cent lower price on WEDs and FSATs & SUNs. Wasn't allow to post that - stupid eh?"

Ah, no, because you post that lower price on Wed, and somebody goes Thurs and it is wrong.
But it works really well to post the regular price and put "2 cents off on Wed" or some similar comment.
And targetting a brand hurts franchise owners, not companies, because they just sell you the same gas at another outlet. Most cities only have dedicated distribution of a couple of brands at most, and all the others come from depots where the additive package is added at the truck level.
Gasoline is traded on the markets, no business owner is going to sell for less than what he has to pay, if he doesn't have enough in the til to pay for the next load he is out of business.
There is a big reason oil companies like Esso have dumped company owned stations, and it is because they make money on distribution, they didn't make enough on retail operatons, and they don't have to worry if some town or city actually does manage to organize a movement such as you suggest, they are still selling their product to you.
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