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newsmonger

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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 9:31:47 PM

You can! This is what I do. We all have to buy gas, that's a fact! Buy gas and only gas. DO NOT buy coffee, cigarettes, lottery tickets, newspapers, candy, groceries, or anything else that you can buy from somewhere else. This hurts them. Why would I support a business that is out to rip me off? If we all did this you would soon see prices fall. Tell others.....

[Edited by: newsmonger at 9/17/2012 9:32:31 PM EST]
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Dragonstar5
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 10:20:05 AM

Good point!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 4:12:59 AM

"I might buy even a half of a gallon from any station that is not the lowest price around.!

They will get the message."

What message? That you are silly enough to believe that wasting the fuel to make another stop actually accomplishes something?
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 3:54:24 PM

down2fumes: And what would that message be?
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down2fumes
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 7:38:13 AM

I agree 100000000000000% !!!!!!! That's exactly what I do and suggest to others. IF I am about to run out of gas, is the only time I might buy even a half of a gallon from any station that is not the lowest price around.
!!

They will get the message.
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2amy
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 2:50:12 PM

Sounds like a plan. But you are right.
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skidsteer85xt
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:39:37 PM

i am in sounds good.
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jwbeuk123
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 11:12:33 AM

The general lack of intelligence exhibited by newsmonger is frightening. You do realize that the stations are at the bottom of the food chain don't you? So when you buy your gas only do you use a credit card? My guess is you do. Do you know that by doing so you just gave your credit card company 8 - 10 cents per gallon? Do you realize that 8 - 10 cents is higher then what the station operator just earned on that gallon? Do you boycott your credit card company? Of course not, why? You also stated that the stations have the same fuel in their tanks but increasd their price. Unless you live in a very small town with little to no traffic most stations are turning the fuel in their tanks every 2 - 3 days. You remind me of the people who think because a barrell of crude fell today, the price at the pump should fall today. They conveniently ignore the fact that a barrell of crude is traded on a FUTURES market. Amazing lack of depth in your thinking.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 8:15:17 AM

1Oilman does happen to pass along a lot of good adcice, along with Gas Buddy and a few others on here. Dont be a hater or a basher if you don't like what they say. Its nothing personal here.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 4:56:20 AM

"You can! This is what I do. We all have to buy gas, that's a fact! Buy gas and only gas. DO NOT buy coffee, cigarettes, lottery tickets, newspapers, candy, groceries, or anything else that you can buy from somewhere else. This hurts them. Why would I support a business that is out to rip me off? If we all did this you would soon see prices fall. Tell others....."

Hey genius,

All you'll do is cut into a station's profit margins and more than likely cause them to raise their gas prices to keep the doors open and the pumps on. Your post shows an astounding lack of understanding of the retail gasoline business specifically and economics in general.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:00:25 PM

It could be quite a challenge for some, but that is a great suggestion MARIOWERX.

[Edited by: maxstar at 10/9/2012 10:06:42 PM EST]
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 9:44:25 PM

Maybe someone could just post some prices.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 6:02:37 PM

And you sir need to get a job. On the other hand my life has been full, fruitful and profitable. Life does not get any better than that. Thank you very little :)
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newsmonger
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 2:50:23 PM

Looking at the amount of comments 1Oilman has made since joining it looks to me that he loves the sound of his own voice. Perhaps he should get a life lol.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 1:54:47 PM

No, I did not have the day off with pay 1OilMan.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 1:10:00 PM

Well you know what they say about opinions? Facts on the other hand shall set you free. Nothing like seeing clearly, what was there all along.
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newsmonger
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 12:36:34 PM

You are entitled to your opinion on the subject of this thread and so am I!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 3:14:19 AM

His point is simple - your statement about lots of gas station owners here on Gasbuddy is ridiculous.
We have had very few, in actual fact.
We have had many dumb accusations that most of us are owners, or work for Big Oil, or are paid by Big Oil to post in the forums. I myself have been accused of being paid by big Oil, AND of being paid by Big Ethanol.
If you really think station owners are making out like bandits, why don't you buy a station? Obviously with that much profit at stake, a bank would quickly jump at the chance to give you financing.
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newsmonger
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 9:32:47 PM

1oilman said: "No, just Americans".
.........................
And your point is?
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 6:01:55 PM

A lot of things to consider about how a retailer prices his gas but there are things you need to keep in mind. A tank truck in the US carries about 8,500 to 8,600 gallons per load. Depending upon the competativness of the site a station can sell anywhere from 30,000 gallons a month up to a select few who do as much as 1,000,000 gallons a month. Now consider that variation 3.5 trucks a month on the low end to 117.6 trucks a month on the high end. Prices to the retailer change everyday Monday through Friday and in some situations when gas prices are rising quickly they can change twice a day. When prices are rising retailers and branded wholesalers don't make much money. That's because most major brands don't take 100% of the spot price move to their rack price. Usually in a major up day they will only move about 25% of the increase. However stations that buy pure spot priced gas (unbranded sites like Costco, Sams, Wal Mart and the Mom and Pop site) have to pay the up side and 100% of the move. So when spot goes up 20 cents in a day the branded racks go up about 6 cents while unbranded racks go up 20 cents. The margins during these period for dealers is low 4 to 5 cents if that, and the wholesalers (branded gas companies) many times lose money selling on those days. Whn prices drop they are slow to go to the rack with the reductions. This is when retailers and wholesalers make their money. Now think back over the year and consider how many times prices have dropped for longer periods. Not many. So both the wholesalers and the dealers are not making nearly what you think they are.

Also the prices are much more regionally based than you think. Prices in local regions are driven by refinery output in the region and issues specific to the area. That's why California is seeing the current spike. Those refineries make gas that can only be sold in California and Arizona and no where else. Also remember that California changes from summer blends that cost more to winter blends that cost less on November 1. Refiners do not want to make to much of the summer gas and have a lot left come November 1. If they do they lose money selling it because they have to sell it at the lower winter value even though it is the summer blend that cost more to make.

A lot of the excess cost of gas in this country is directly caused by some 38 different blends plus different summer and winter formulations required by the state and federal government. There are places like California that stand alone and cannot move excess product out of the state when they have to much and cannot import it when they don't have enough. This adds costs. Beyond that the fuels tax in California is 70 cents a gallon. By comparison in Texas where I live the fuel tax is 38 cents. Add to all that this year with the widespread drought ethanol is costing much more because the value of corn has doubled this year.

There are lots of reasons for the high cost of gasoline but I can assure you that it is very hard to pinpoint it all on one piece of the supply chain.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 5:02:44 PM

No, just Americans.
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newsmonger
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 4:26:02 PM

Lot of gas stations owners on this forum isn't there?
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 4:20:39 PM

How else can they pay the holiday pay rate to their employees? But then again I am sure YOU had the day off; with pay.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 10:43:26 AM

I owe I owe, so off to fill my tank and go to work to pay my bills I go......... We work, we need gas to commute to work. If not, happy you for living so close to work you can ride a bike. have a nice day everyone!
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newsmonger
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 4:25:07 PM

Here we go again. This just confirms my point. Long weekend, all the stations increase the price and gouge. The gas in their holding tanks is the same but the price goes up be a lot! Then it slowly comes back down after the long weekend. This is the gas stations doing this not the wholesalers. I will continue to only buy gas and nothing else, ever. Maybe it doesn't make any difference to them but it makes me feel better!!
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Ashleighnicole2
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 5:39:05 PM

I have worked at a gas station before, Although you idea sounds good. There is tons of people that come in to purchase items even as little as gum. When they say i just came for gas. It wouldnt work
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 10:45:26 AM

Mikey thinks making a reasonable profit is a scam. I think Mikey only deserves minimum wage. Let's all band together and force Mikey's pay down by boycotting his employer.
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cr3d0
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 4:09:29 PM

But I like it when they punch my drink card and I get the 4th fountain refill for free. What to do?
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orangecrush35
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:16:54 PM

it costs taxpayers money to pay for everything.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 3:24:28 PM

No matter how you slice it, it's our money from taxes that pay for the government bills....
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:44:31 AM

Mikeyl: Is not that why you go to work? To make MONEY. Duh!!
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Mikeyl
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 8:15:45 PM

I NEVER go inside a gas station unless the pay-at-the-pump machine doesn't spit out my receipt.

I NEVER purchase anything from a gas station, no matter what it is.

It's all a scam to get our money. Why do you think Speedway has commercials on every break promoting that they are a restaurant with good, quality food? MONEY!
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 5:11:11 PM

raistee62000: Big, big, big difference between government and retail. Retail customers will leave you for $0.01/gal. Government is usually locked in at a cost plus price for a set amount of time. Government doesn't really care because it is not their money. Problem with that is sooner or later they run out of our money and want to raise our taxes.
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pricewar
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 9:04:07 PM

won't work
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 2:08:45 PM

But I still think it's bogus for a station near an airport to inflate their prices, when the same vendor I use delivers to them out here too, for the same price as my deliveries. Go figure.....
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 2:07:23 PM

1OILMAN: Very true!!! thanks for the lesson on this. Fairly new to the civilian side of the business myself, in regards to purchasing commercial fuels, and I find that I learn something new everyday. However I do get frustrted at the prices, knowing more of how it goes on behind the scenes. Lets hope the prices continue to fall in the near future.... For me, I do not have the option to sell other items besides fuel here anyhow. I spent 20 years working the Air Force and Army dealing with fuel, and now do so in the civilian sectors. Big difference when you actually have to deal with the prices and the multitude of vendors to keep happy.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 1:35:52 PM

raiste62000: The highest prices anywhere are near airports. With so many rental cars which must be returned full, it is a no brainer.
Now the speculators; it is a zero sum game. Meaning that for every buyer there is a seller. Thus some buy thinking it will go higher and a equal amount must sell thinking it goes lower. When one side gets out of line with pricing the buying and selling adjust to a "fair" price. Will there be extended times of price swings in BOTH directions? Of course BUT that does not mean it is wrong. The "fair" price will be attained in the due course of trading. You have to grasp the fact that their business is not "to lower prices" but to reach a "fair" price, be it higher or lower.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 12:30:04 PM

1Oilman: Congrats on being in business for 100 years. I see you point on the free market, but still think the speculators need to be regulated more in order to lower the prices....What on earth could be pushing the prices higher and higher, when we see major swings in the trends on the market? I can nderstand competiton to a point, but when I drive a block away from the airport here in Savannah and see prices at a Shell station for $3.79, and then cross a bridge, and see prices at another Shell station for $3.48 something is not right.
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Ladygator2007
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 7:38:52 AM

Station owners make very little selling gas. That is why the price of everything else is usually higher than other places. They need to make money some way
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 4:00:03 AM

Station operators can be charged with, and convicted of collusion or price fixing, if it can be proven conversations took place to come to an agreement on a price hike that all will make that has nothing to do with the markets, wholesale or retail. However, if Joe Blow raises his price 5 cents, and John Q raises his 5 cents to match, that is not collusion, and it certainly isn't against the law to attempt to increase profits.
Exceptions exist for emergency situations, where increases out of proportion to costs count as profiteering, and can, and do, result in charges.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 3:03:15 PM

raiste62000: It is called the free market because the seller is free to charge what he wants and the buyer is free not to buy it. In the end they will reach a "fair" price.
My family has been in this business for 100 years and I have never heard of this at any time. If I do not sale my product I have a negative cash flow because I have already paid for the product. It does me no good to sit on it as inventory.
Theft is one thing, business is another.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 9:28:55 AM

1Oilman: Look at the FERC, and then start bringing together all the other federal regualtions regarding fuel, pricing, and all the political red tape that goes into the pricing. Look at the articles of fuel stations that have been found guilty in the courts of price gouging as well. I may not be 100% accurate, but I do try to put out information based on my experiences, and what some of the regualtions "define" as legal or not legal. Unfortunately, a lot of the "gouging" is still in a grey area. Again, the problem still lies in the hands of the oil speculators. At one point in time only 30% of the total fuel and oil was controlled by speculatores, and now over 80% is controlled by the speculators, which is bad for us. However, with the elections coming up, and noone saying that they will lower prices, because they "can't", I will wait to see what happens come November. I hope I shed a bit more clarity on this for you, if not I will keep digging and get back with you. If I offended you with any of this, that was not the intention.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 1:23:31 AM

cause higher prices
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 5:10:29 PM

raiste62000: What regulations stipulate that stations can only charge so much for their fuel? Under a State of Emergency that is true. However, it also states "unless there is proof of price increase". Otherwise, on a day to day operation they can charge what they want. Did you see the Lukeoil stations in NY or NJ charging $9.999 a few weeks ago? It is your right to not buy it.
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raiste62000
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 2:58:57 PM

One thing to take into consideration is the fact that different states have different taxes to apply and adjust for in regards to ppurchasing and selling fuel to the local person. I deal with fuel commercially, nothing but fuel, and right now the bulk of control is in the hands of the speculators. If power is taken away from them to stop driving up prices on a barrel of oil, and we start producing more, prices will drop marginally. Regulations stipulate that stations can only charge so much for their fuel. Once they jump outside the legal limits, then they can be charged with price gouging. Major problem is the speculators, who drive the prices up on the "chance" of a problem. However, new rules are set to chain them down. If they bid on 30 million barrels or oil, then by law they have to show the 30 million barrels in storage, ready for use. No more invisible oil barrels out there will help the economy out a lot.
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twillis5
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:49:59 AM

You have it all wrong. Its not the gas station ripping us off, its the Oil traders, driving up prices on what they believe the price should be based on several issues. If you dont want to buy coffee from a gas station, then dont. But do not try to spin up people to take out their frustrations on hard working people who are just trying to make a living and support their families.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:06:55 AM

With all due respect, I don't think it's appropriate to puposely attempt to hurt retailers who are trying to make a living. Profit is not a dirty word. And, I think most would agree that the items sold in the convenient store stations are likely where much of the profit from this kind of retail business is taken.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how the "world works" everywhere else, but in this part of the country gas stations seem to be making more than a "penny or two" per gallon whenever they can.

Around here, pump prices routinely increase $.20-$.30 per gal. in a day(and sometimes more) apparently as a function of the future cost of wholesale fuel even though stations may not need immediate refueling. This typically triggers increases by all neighboring stations regardless of brand, and then the average price in the area slowly decreases a "penny or two" each day until the price settles back somewhere near where it started. Stable prices only last a few days at most before the whole cycle restarts.

This short term cyclical retail pricing suggests that many stations are able to increase their profit margins substantially when they have on hand fuel purchased at the lower wholesale cost during sharp spikes in retail pricing and the subsequent slow leveling off. I suspect that over time this translates into a lot more than they may otherwise make on fuel.

Again, there's nothing wrong with profit. But let's not start feeling sorry for retailers because they don't make enough on the gas they're selling; at least not here in the heartland.

RG

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catfish99
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:38:38 PM

So news, you want them to make less than the penny or two they clear per gallon? Try learning how the world works, then get back to us.
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2012 12:48:11 AM

newsmonger, First, let me thank you for joining just to make 4 posts.

Second, do you think that the station owners set the price for the gas they sell?

Please do some research...
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 3:45:38 PM

You know I find this type of argument funny. I make more money, net, selling a dealer a gas nozzle and hose (gross $150) than I do selling him a load of fuel (gross $29,000).
And the dealer makes more selling you a soft drink and a candy bar than he does selling you a full tank of gas.
So newsmonger, how do you suggest he stay in business to sell you your gas?
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 3:18:01 PM

hhenkes0560:

You wrote " All the gas retailers post the same price. Which in its self is counter productive. Why? Well you would think that someone would say, Why don't I sell gas cheaper? I am sure the vast majority would flock to buy gas at this location. So why doesn't it happen?"

If one gas station has a lower price than your gas station, would you lower your price, even if it meant being the same price as the other station, or would you continue to have a higher price in order that the other gas station said "Why don't I sell gas cheaper" and lowers it's price, and people flock to buy gas at that location, would you continue to sell your gas at a higher price so you're not counter-productive, or would you lower your price to what the other gas station is selling for in order that you can take some of the "flock of customers" that he's getting, and you're not getting, because your prices are higher?

Simply said, if you were a gas station operator, wouldn't you try to match the price of your competition? And if two or three or four gas stations had the same lower price than you had, wouldn't you try to match them all so that you don't stand out as the "high priced gas station..." even if it meant all the gas stations were now the same price?

Note that newsmonger, the member who started this topic, hasn't said how he's fighting back high gas prices. All he's doing is saying that he'll continue to buy gas, just that he'll no longer buy items in the store that he "can buy from somewhere else" in order to hurt the gas station. Somehow, in his opinion, this will make the prices fall.

Of course he hasn't said anything about gas being about the lowest mark-up item sold at the gas station, and he hasn't said how not buying other things will lower the price of gas. The gas stations have little mark-up on gas to begin with, and the gas station cannot sell gas below the price they paid for it. By fighting back, the way newsmonger suggests, you're simply putting the gas station out of competition, and potentially out of business, meaning there's potentially less competition to keep gas prices low. Hard to see how newsmonger's suggestion, one he wants us to "Tell others....." about, makes any sense.

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