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eagles07

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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 8:55:12 AM

GAS WAR STARTS NOW!!!!!!!!

THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.00 PER LITRE OR LESS!

This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive.

It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Haliburton. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please.

Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea...

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

It's worth your consideration.

Join the resistance!!!!

We are going to hit to $1.50 a litre very soon and by this summer and it might even go higher!!

Want gasoline prices to come down?

We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas ...

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can Really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $0.99 is super cheap. Me too!

It is currently $1.28 at SUNOCO and ESSO for regular unleaded in Hamilton and Ottawa, $1.449 at most gas stations for regular unleaded gas in the Vancouver area, and it is climbing every week!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is CHEAP at $0.87 to$0.99, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace...not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.

The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit the major gas companies in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.

But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies which now are SUNOCO(PETRO CANADA) and ESSO.

If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of SUNOCO(PETRO CANADA) and ESSO. gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on this idea at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers .

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!

Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from SUNOCO(PETRO CANADA) and ESSO. UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO AT LEAST THE $0.99 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

REMEMBER – NO GAS FROM SUNOCO(PETRO CANADA) and ESSO!!!
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 3:57:42 PM

Bumping the coca-cola spam should be grounds for banishment.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 3:35:17 PM

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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 2:58:13 PM

The person that started this topic hasn't been on Gas Buddy in more than a year and a half, the topic has been idle for six months, and the original post has been disproven repeatedly, as well as having been posted multiple times as a "new" topic on Gas Buddy.

This topic should be closed.

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Yetie
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 1:40:46 PM

Boycotts are an inconvenience for us but a necessary evil to show that we cannot be pushed around be corporations the think they have a monopoly on the market.
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StillWillIV
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Message Posted: May 20, 2012 1:28:07 AM

Too bad.
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 5:17:24 PM

eagles may not post here anymore but I will give you the simplest reason this type of boycotte will never work. I have posted this a bunch, but very few of the pro boycotters ever pick up on this simple concept. The e-mail says he learned this from a retired Coke executive and therein lies the rub.

If Coke is succesfully boycotted they can't take all their unsold coke and sell it to Pepsi to be remarketed as Pepsi.(it has a noticable taste difference) If Esso or Sunoco can't sell gasoline to their retailers then they just sell it to Shell, or Husky, or any other brand that is picking up all the business that Esso and Sunoco lost. Gas is gas is gas, and it all tastes the same. If sales increased so dramatically at other brands because the boycotte was succesful then the other brands would not be ready for the increased business and have to scramble to find the gas they needed. They would just buy it wholesale from Esso and Sunoco. Esso and Sunoco would still be selling at the same price and making more money because they would not have to deal with all the individual retailers.

Net effect of your boycotte? Less consumer choice and the two guys you were looking to spank make more money. Great plan!
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red_green17
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 7:36:47 AM

It's too bad really.
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catfish99
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 6:46:33 AM

I love it.
eagles "came to this forum...to get some intelligent feedback".
Max, HD, and others let him know he posted spam...word for word.
Michael gave him a link to snopes to show his "idea" could not work...and suggested using the site to post prices would be an effective way to help people lower their fuel costs.
Gas_Buddy gave him some economic facts about cost shopping and the world market for oil.
Rumble pointed out that the company eagles suggested a retail boycott against does not own any retail outlets, kinda making it tough to boycott.
All in all, some very intelligent feedback. Unfortunately, no one just agreed with him, so he took his ball and went home.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:23:27 PM

eagle07 leaves and never once intelligently posted a price, if you want to pay less check gasbuddy.com for lower prices and reduce driving and combine trips.
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eagles07
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 7:40:35 AM

Hey rumbleseat, no need to worry. THIS IS MY LAST POST. I thought that by comng to this forum I would get some intelligent feedback on how to get the major oil companies to lower gas prices. Instead, I see that it is mostly individuals like you who can't seem to bend over enough for these companies. Now we're getting preached on ECONOMICS from a country that is in total disarray. You keep bending over, drive your car less and see where that gets you. Sure you'll pay less for gas but the major oil companies will continue to rack in billions of dollars a year.

It appears that you have been on this forum for 10 YEARS. I've been on it for two days and totally understand the concept. It's just another social utility (similar to facebook, skype) both which I hate with a passion. Do something more productive with your life. Want to pay less for gas....buy a bike, take the bus, walk. It's that simple.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 6:46:00 AM

eagles07, if you can't be bothered making an intelligent read of the SNOPES page, or any of the other market and economic analyses available on the internet, from respected sources such as universities and independent think tanks, then I for one can't be bothered having dialogue with you any longer.
This is my last reply to thise thread.
Like I said, the crap you posted was SPAM many years ago, it is still SPAM, and it was proved wrong, unworkable, and economically impossible many years ago.

You want to targe ESSO? The simplest of research would have shown you ESSO doesn't own a single service station in Canada, they are all franchises. So you would wage economic warfare upon your friends, neighbours, and family who have their life savings invested in their businesses. And ESSO wouldn't notice because the dollar just shuffle around the block, meaning, the gas you don't buy at an ESSO station you will buy at a Shell station, or a Safeway gas bar, or any of a number of other outlets the fuel would be delivered to instead. And a high percentage of Petro-Canada stations are franchises as well. And once a few business owners are out of business, their employees out of jobs, there will be less competition so the prices will go up.

Grade 3 economics, don't take my word for it, go to the library and do some research if you don't trust the internet.

And go post some gas prices, the whole idea of this website is to let Big Oil know we are paying attention and letting our fellow motorists know which stations have better prices on any given day.
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catfish99
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 6:36:10 AM

YES! The Coca-Cola Spam, and it is not even Memorial Day yet. Hey eagles, here is a hint: stuff that shows up in your email is sometimes not true.
Really.
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eagles07
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 11:27:07 AM

Sorry Gas Buddy but the demand will ALWAYS be there, especially in the large US market where there are hundreds of thousands of new cars on your highways/roads each year. And remember, it's not just automobiles that consume gas. If your answer is to sit back and rely on the EUROPEAN/ASIAN markets to dictate the prices in North America, we'll all be long dead along with our children and grandchildren before we see a drop in oil prices.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 11:04:50 AM

eagles07:

"Being a rookie, it probably wasn't the best way to try to get a message across..."

It's not that you're a rookie that posted the spam; it's that you posted spam. The comments against the spam, and this spam specifically would have been written (and have in other threads) if you were a long time member. Posting obvious spam, and this specific spam which has been been posted on this website multiple times in multiple threads, isn't the best way to get the message across period.

"I was under the impression that this way the reason for this forum."

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Posting your comments and your thoughts or your opinions is the reason for this forum. So you can express your views, pro or con, responding to comments of others pro or con. But the forum isn't for posting spam and then expecting people to comment on what your intent was.

"But I'm just as sick to hear those individuals that preach we just need to moderate our consumption or drive the extra 10 minutes to save 5 cents/litre or whatever the conversion is in the US (gallons)."

Most long time members, as do the Gas Buddy moderators, will repeat one thing over and over...and over. Do not drive unnecessarily out of your way to buy gas at a lower price. First, you're wasting gas, meaning that mroe gas needs to be refined simply to make up for used gas. Second, most people end up spending more money on the gas they're using to get to the lower priced station than they save at the pump. Third, most people don't realize that driving any distance - any distance - out of the way, uses gas, and it costs money to drive; if, for example, you get 20 miles to the gallon, and gas costs $3.60 a gallon, it costs 18 cents for each mile driven, regardless of what the reason for driving. We constaantly and consistently tell people not to drive out of the way for cheaper gas. Especially if they're only going to save a couple cens per gallon for maybe a 10 or 15 gallon fill-up. That 20 or 30 cents savings on a fill-up, a $40 fill-up, isn't worth a considerable effort, especially when the same people complaining about the several cents per gallon aren't saying anything about what they pay for their cell phone or texting plan, their cable TV plan with all the movie and sports packages, or their daily coffees and bottled water.As for "By consuming less gas, won't bring the prices down, there will just be a day where the consumer won't be able to afford to use his/her vehicle." I disagree. From the production end, and the investment end (be it stock market, investors, or speculators), people at the upsteram end will essentially lower prices or accept lower returns if people buy less. The selling market prices will adapt to world demand. What you're not talking about, or haven't mentioned, is that the world demand isn't lessening as much as the U.S. demand might be, and you haven't addressed growing economies or growing middle classes in places such as Brazil, India, China. Until you address world demand, you're leaving out a large part of the consumption problem.

And that's not a rookie problem. It's simply what you wrote and posted. Or what you cut and pasted as your post, without your personal comments and/or perspective and/or opinions.
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eagles07
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Message Posted: May 13, 2012 10:41:20 AM

Being a rookie, it probably wasn't the best way to try to get a message across; however, I was under the impression that this way the reason for this forum. We all hate SPAM email almost as much as high gas prices. But I'm just as sick to hear those individuals that preach we just need to moderate our consumption or drive the extra 10 minutes to save 5 cents/litre or whatever the conversion is in the US (gallons). Until there are alternative modes of transportation that meet the peoples' needs, we all need to commute, whether it be for work and/or pleasure. By consuming less gas, won't bring the prices down, there will just be a day where the consumer won't be able to afford to use his/her vehicle.

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Michael29644
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 9:23:00 PM

"It's too bad their are idiots out there that can't get past the SPAM and understand the general concept."

I thought they were the ones posting the spam. And we get the concept, just like we get the concept of time travel. Unfortunately, neither works.

"I'll just go ahead and not have any jack-rabbit starts, do less idling and consolidate my trips and watch the price of gas magically drop."

Except until this post, you never mentioned any of these items. You simply posted some old, worn out blather about boycotting a couple of brands of gasoline without any mention of reducing consumption.

"The gas companies/government have all the power, it is time for the consumer to take some of this power back."

Yes, too bad there isn't some website where we, the people, can find the lowest gas prices in our areas so that we can take some of this power back by making informed decisions. Oh, wait, there is. It's this one! When are you going to start posting gas prices to help your fellow Ottawarians? Or is it Ottawarites? Or maybe Ottawans, or Ottawarianites? Help me out here. Or are you here just to post chain email spam?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 5:40:20 PM

I have no idea how many gazillion times the Snopes link has been posted, but obviously eagles07 didn't bother to check it out.
The general concept is simple. Want to cut your gasoline expenses, use less gasoline! It doesn't matter what the price is, the less you use, the less you spend.
Disseminating SPAM just nets derision.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 5:33:31 PM

eagles07: "idiots out there that can't get past the SPAM" yet it was you that posted the spam.

If your "general concept" includes "no gas from sunoco(petro canada) and esso". I think others have addressed the "concept" of boycotts.

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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 4:41:22 PM

eagles07:

You wrote:
"It's too bad their are idiots out there that can't get past the SPAM and understand the general concept."

By "idiots" I assume you mean those of us that responded to your post. Maybe I'm naive, and maybe I am an idiot, but the fat is you posted SPAM. You didn't post "the general concept"; you yourself posted the SPAM. How are we supposed to get past the SPAM that you posted, when you yourself only posted the SPAM and didn't post anything about the general concept.

If you posted information or explained the "general concept", than that's what people could and would relate to and respond to. But you posted SPAM; they (we) responded to SPAM.

Sorry if you don't like that we responded to only what you wrote, to only what you posted, and not to what you thought we should understand you might have been thinking about.
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eagles07
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 8:06:18 AM

It's too bad their are idiots out there that can't get past the SPAM and understand the general concept. I'll just go ahead and not have any jack-rabbit starts, do less idling and consolidate my trips and watch the price of gas magically drop.

The gas companies/government have all the power, it is time for the consumer to take some of this power back.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 12:46:51 AM

Ah, another idiot!
There should be a war on stupidity, and some way of burning up the computers and crazy-glueing the fingers of those that fall for and disseminate this very tired and misused SPAM!

There is no Coca Cola executive!
There is no retired Haliburton executive!

Geez, study some basic economics, maybe borrow some books from a Grade 3 student and learn something about how the world works before you fall for the same garbage that has been floating around for years, and has been debunked more times than you have bones in your body.
1965, when I earned my driver licence, there were versions of this sent as chain letters, different brands, different prices, different fictitious characters, but just as useless then as now.
Some things make me downright cranky, and this crap does it.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 5/12/2012 12:47:18 AM EST]
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: May 12, 2012 12:00:49 AM

<sigh>

This debunked nonsense has been floating around for over a decade.

Snopes debunking of gas company boycotts

Please stop reposting it here. We've all seen it dozens of times. Had you bothered to read the forums before posting, you would have known that.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 10:32:14 PM

I can't believe that anyone from Ottawa would post this drivel without checking it's validity. I have not idea, eagles07, if you got this from an e-mail or you read it in another thread, but it's been posted nearly word for word in at least a two dozen different threads, maybe more. Unless you yourself are saying that you know the person who sent it to you is, in fat, a retired Coca Cola executive, virtually no one believes there this material was ever sent by any Coca Cola executive, retired or otherwise, nor is there any "engineer buddy" who thought it up, let alone one from Haliburton.

What's so funny about this thread that started, is that your wording makes it seem like you're yourself are writing the introduction (the "THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS...This was sent by a...It came from one of..." when in fact that's the same wording that others have used, pretending (my word) that they got this from a retired Coca Cola executive. If there ever was such a retired Coca Cola executive, he's got an awful lot of friends he sent this to that are members of Gas Buddy, most of who post their first or one of their first posts with identical wording as his other "friends" who are Gas Buddy members.

The bottom line?

What you're posting is the same crap (my word) many others have posted on Gas Buddy, and in other forum. Hopefully you'll do something more productive as a Gas Buddy member than posting things without first checking its validity. Perhaps even posting gas prices, which is something productive in providing information to help your Ottawa Gas Buddy members be smarter shoppers, and perhaps help save them money when shopping, regardless of what gas prices are.

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eagles07
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 5:29:24 PM

While a few individuals appear to be against a boycott, they haven't been able to supply any suitable suggestions on how to stabilize or lower gas prices. I've read numerous articles that have stated that it is simply about consumer demand and if we just purchase less gas then the price should adjust accordingly. HELLO PEOPLE, passenger vehicles in the US alone have increased steadily since 1960, indicating a growing number of vehicles per capita. Go ahead and adjust your fuel consumption, it will be simply be replaced by one of the hundreds of thousands of new passenger vehicles that hit the road each year. We need to find a solution fast before prices get out of control.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 3:57:51 PM

eagles07: do not post spam. Boycotts do not work. To find out why read some of the other 5000 topics in this territory.

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[Edited by: maxstar at 5/11/2012 4:03:01 PM EST]
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eagles07
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 2:50:12 PM

A boycott will be successful only if consumers are willing to target a specific company or companies. It is clear that we ALL NEED GAS but the consumer has a choice on where/who to purchase from.

For HeavyDuty, who has been posting on this forum for over six years, can you just educate me on the ideas that you have put forth to try to keep gas prices from rising? It is SPAM mail, however, the concept makes sense.
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HeavyDuty_cache
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 2:04:51 PM

OH MY GODS! Why would you post that SPAM email? Did you actually read it before you posted it? Do you really and I mean REALLY believe what it says?



[Edited by: HeavyDuty_cache at 5/11/2012 2:06:00 PM EST]
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ontheroadBC
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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 10:58:49 AM

boycott's don't work. you think this really works? at some point someone will need gas and most people accept the fates of the governments - unless we get alternative fuels and vehicles we are ....
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