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BLTHNDR

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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 11:47:26 PM

The mayor in the chicago area suburb of "New Lenox" said to his residents to boycott the stations in his town because of there very high prices and it worked.
The stations lowered there prices imagine that.Who says boycotts don't work?
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Mikeyl
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2013 9:04:20 AM

The reason the prices dropped was because of publicity, not a boycott.

The mayor can get on TV and radio and make a huge stink about anything. The businesses affected had to react to save themselves. Do you count this as a victory? I think not. They raised prices on something else to cover their costs. They also contributed to this mayor's opposition in the next election... no more problem.

Boycotts do not work. As long as there is not another viable energy source available, we're stuck using gas in our vehicles.
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BLTHNDR
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 7:17:59 PM

A year ago last april nothing since then have heard nothing else
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scottyboy
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 8:40:23 PM

when was this?
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John_Q_Gotrox
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 1:19:10 AM

 
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 1:19:13 AM

I have heard of one boycott that worked from some guy in Iowa.
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shootdatthing
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:56:11 AM

Shame on the oil companies who are continually making record profits! you could cut the price of gas in half and still make a decent profit. and no there is no oil shortage quit hugging the trees so hard! be responsible but sensible. humans have domain over the wildlife but i do believe you should try to save wildlife within reason.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:42:38 PM

Don't you go to sleep when it gets dark and go to work when the sun comes up? Those summer days can be extra long but you got to make hay while you can.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:59:18 PM

I agree with Mario!
The night is coming back! It is already getting dark out.
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MARIOWERX
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:33:50 PM

Give it time wait until 6pm and you will be sorry ,OILMAN, but you are making it shorter.
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:08:40 PM

Last night I boycotted the night and within 12 hours it went away. Who says boycotts don't work? lol
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 6:31:19 AM

Government in Detroit works so well that gsabe wants to share the benefits with the nation.
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djp071158
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 9:06:27 PM

I never know how a gas boycott works. If we don't reduce our driving, all we do is delay our gas from one day to another.
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skidsteer85xt
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:30:02 PM

it will if everybody workes together.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 8:28:07 AM

"Boycotts do work.
I dont & won't bother to argue (under the guise of debate) with individuals who disagree."

Looks like someone has taken their toys and gone home!
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cayo32
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 6:08:11 PM

no
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qsabe
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 5:14:50 PM

Gas comes over one big pipeline from the Koch brothers refineries in the south. They set the price of gas everyplace. If the economy starts looking good, the can easily kill it with a gas price increase to keep more of your dollars out of the grocery stores. Fuel oil is what powers the machines that produce our food. That is where your attention should be directed, but it easily slides under the radar because we are so concerned with a few pennies on gasoline. People heating their homes are subsidizing your cheap gas. If anything, I'm for the government doing what they do in other countries when one small group has a stranglehold on the population. Nationalize the oil industry.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:42:54 PM

GB4321 says: "Boycotts do work.
I dont & won't bother to argue (under the guise of debate) with individuals who disagree."

And that is why the average retail price in the USA is now down to 79 cents per gallon!
Oh, wait, they aren't, are they?
Heck, I remember boycott talks in the late 60s. You would think by now they would actually be paying us to take it off their hands!
Maybe rethink that.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 11/19/2012 6:44:06 PM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 9:04:28 PM

Gas_Buddy, when he says he won't debate, it is because he can't debate. He has nothing to offer up in support of his contention that gas boycotts work. He can't win, so he picks up the ball and leaves the court.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:42:23 PM

GB4321:

You wrote "I dont & won't bother to argue (under the guise of debate) with individuals who disagree."

Unless you can say something to explain how they've worked, boycotts against gas stations or gas prices, you're asking us, in the face of demonstrated and substantiated disagreement, to accept your word at face value that boycotts against the oil industry work.

I won't ask you to debate (not the least of reasons is because I can't see what you're debating), but you won't even provide an example of such a boycott that worked, or explain how such a boycott could work? If you won't provide anything other than your good word, and expect us to accept your good word on blind faith in the face of all logic, sorry but your comment "Boycotts do work" has no standing.

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GB4321
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:17:58 PM

Boycotts do work.
I dont & won't bother to argue (under the guise of debate) with individuals who disagree.
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:49:17 AM

Coincidence does not equal causality, and a grandstanding mayor lacking economic education had nothing to do with fuel prices,
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:12:26 PM

KELLIE061563 places like New Lenox are not much better than Texas when it comes to public transportation. However, Lew Lenox is a suburb that is elbow to elbow with other suburbs so smart comparative shopping is easy. That competition is likely the real reason those stations lowered their prices.
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Mikeyl
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 3:51:05 PM

His loud mouth worked.

The squeeky wheel always gets the grease. And, not re-elected.

[Edited by: Mikeyl at 11/14/2012 3:51:28 PM EST]
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KELLIE061563
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 10:12:11 AM

Places like Chicago and New York, boycotts may have a larger impact but only because of the great mass transit systems. But places like Texas where mass transit is a mass joke and the average job is over 20 miles from your home it leaves little options.
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Alfys007
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 7:33:52 AM

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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 3:03:11 PM

Maybe Rham needs to ax da Sous'side to boycott guns?
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 8:19:49 AM

Boycotts work when you have an alternative source. The blanket boycotts we hear about from time to time, never work.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 8:07:49 AM

Most of them don't work, and this one might be an exception. They figure if you don't get gas today, you sure will have to tomorrow. They have a captive audience because they have no competition at the present time, all the more reason for electric and other forms of alternative energy.
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gougenator
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 6:45:47 PM

why on earth is it so hard to utilize the best forum for this? boycott forums
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 1:34:12 PM

Without knowing underlying spot prices in the market during that period there is no way to substaintiate if it worked or not. I price at 3.50 a gallon based on current spot prices, the next day spot prices drop 30 cents and I lower my street price 10 cents. Was it the boycott or was it just the normal day to day movement in the market. Your evidence is lacking.
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DucatiRider
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 12:41:23 PM

A boycott will work when you actually have the power to cut your demand. If you just stop buying for a week you'll be back. Boycotting a certain brand of stations or a certain geographical area will work but the idea of "no body buy gas today, that'll teach 'em" is going to fail because you'll juat buy tomorrow.

Buy a motorcycle, use 1/3 of the fuel.
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AFOS
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 12:34:18 PM

The only time I remember public pressure (maybe) forcing down pump prices was after hurricane Katrina. Speedway hiked prices 50-60 cents across much of the Midwest - to $3.31 in my area (first time ever over $3). This was in response to a monster one day spike in wholesale prices. The Michigan governor complained loudly about price gouging and in a day or two all Speedways in all their markets were back under $3. Never seen a universal 32 cents DROP in prices by Speedway at any other time. Other stations stayed high not willing to sell the product in their tanks at big loss.

As far as the original post, Speedway tends to drive New Lenox prices with 3 stations (and others nearby). Sometimes they are high and other times low compared to nearby town. Speedway normally won't lower their prices any more than necessary to stay competitive (what a novel business idea!) So it was probably the collective fault of all the indy operators in the market if it stayed high.

[Edited by: AFOS at 10/9/2012 12:38:41 PM EST]
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hornet17
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:25:15 AM

Even if it worked for a day, how long is it actually going to work, people will buy where it is convenient at the prices they have to pay.
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deporresd
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:00:57 AM

I won't repeat much of what has been said, but I'm skeptical. The news accounts I read indicated that not all stations lowered prices, and that some who did had already raised them, just a couple of days later. I still believe most gas station owners make most of their profit b selling things other than gas. While it is popular to argue against high gas prices (no one ever talks about low gas prices, even when they were considerably lower than now). While big oil might be recording large profits, there are a lot of steps between the big oil companies and a local station.
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NickoliMB
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 9:38:39 AM

Sounds good. Anything to get those prices down.
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cheap2010skate
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 9:30:23 AM

That's great. It works only if no one goes to those stations and if there are stations nearby in other towns.
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_Sparty_
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 9:13:55 AM

What are prices in New Lenox today?
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Jkent1953
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 12:11:30 AM

They never work. You need gas if you want to get around. Sooner or later you buy.
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BLTHNDR
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 10:09:09 PM

At least somebody is trying once and while ,too bad we all can't get together and run a boycott. Just think what would happen... maybe like winning lotto at the pump even for a few days.
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jcpatriots
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 9:24:43 PM

Yeah, because they were pressured into it by a big political figure who had INFLUENCE, not a single person who passes a chain letter around talking about some magical 1997 gas boycott that never happened.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 9:16:59 PM

Prices in my neck of the woods of Illinois have dropped 30 cents over the last couple of weeks. There was no boycott here.

Perhaps it was not a boycott that dropped New Lenoxs prices...
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 8:44:30 PM

Short term fix. Before you know it, they will be back to where they were.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 2:36:18 PM

Let's put this "boycott" in perspective.

The mayor of the town of New Lenox, Illinois, complained that the gas stations in his village were price gouging (his words) after he noticed that gas station prices were "much, much higher priced" than in neighboring towns, as much as 5 cents per gallon higher than in nearby Frankfurt (seven miles away), and that local gas prices were higher than in some other parts of northern Illinois. [Note: Not they were necessarily 5 cents higher, but, in the mayor's words, "as much as" 5 cents higher.] The mayor subsequently urged New Lenox residents to take their business elsewhere. Several gas stations, as of a week later, dropped prices by as much as 11 cents per gallon; not at all the New Lenox gas stations, but at some.

Now the perspective.

First, no one has said anything, including the Mayor, about gas prices nation-wide dropping at the time the New Lenox gas stations dropped prices, let alone gas prices dropping at gas stations in neighboring towns.

Second, the mayor hasn't said anything about several of the gas stations that dropped prices selling gas at or below cost. [Note: In Illinois gas stations are not prohibited from selling fuel below cost; it is prohibited in 11 other states under "predatory" laws.] That means that several gas stations were not necessarily covering their operating costs, let alone getting a return on investment or making a profit for the people owning the stations. And he hasn't said anything about the possible difference of operating costs such as rents and/or local tax, etc.

Third, there was nothing stopping the New Lenox residents from buying gas at nearby Frankfurt (approximately seven miles away) or in other nearby towns. And, in part because of this, it seems that the media coverage was a bigger factor for the station owners than residents’ response. For that matter, I'm pretty sure that most New Lenox residents, before the mayor’s move, didn’t feel forced to buy gas in town and probably did, in fact, look elsewhere to save money.

Fourth, this was a no-lose political stand if there ever was one — seizing upon the public’s anger at rising gas prices and skepticism about how they go up so much faster, sometimes 15 to 20 cents per gallon overnight, than they come down, at the same time that nation-wide prices were beginning to drop, and then taking credit for it. Sort of like the old saying that if you want to be a leader and you see a parade, jump in front of it. It seems that's what the mayor did; he's taking credit for local prices dropping, without noting that nation-wide prices have dropped significantly recently.

But a side note: The mayor hasn't always shown such concern for the taxpayer's wallet. In 2010, just before he retired as police chief of nearby Chicago Ridge, he was given a $70,000 per year salary raise, which resulted in him getting a significantly higher pension paid out of the town police fund, according to Chicago Tribune reporting and Chicago Ridge public records. That was a $70,000 per year salary raise, not a $70,000 per year salary. So much, in my opinion, for the mayor's concern about watching out for other people's money.

Sorry, but I can't really say that a small-town boycott worked when the world-wide price of fuel dropped, and prices dropped - are are continue to drop slowly - across the United States. Not unless you'e also saying the mayor should take credit for those drops.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 9:12:52 AM

They will be high again when the public eyes are not on them.
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 7:48:58 AM

Individual boycotts haven't been so effective. I'm glad to see that a town was able to band together and do something though.
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red_green17
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 7:41:13 AM

I think this boycott worked because it was public, and started by a high ranking official. That said in Canada, I would rather the same mayor go to his superiors in the provincial or federal governments and ask them to lower the taxes on the gas since tat would immediately lower the prices.
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MIT05
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 6:45:39 AM

I'm with u ,if we boycotted more things it would affect them.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 5:26:56 AM

Boycotts will not work in large metropolitan areas because there are far too many stations to buy from in an area like this.
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Buddy2264
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 12:37:39 AM

How about one US national gas price? Just a thought. That will give people something to talk about, but not much then for gas postings. However supply and demand except in this case, in general does not work anymore since we are a net exporter of fuels.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 12:32:14 AM

Boycotts do not work. I doubt if the Mayor had any influence on the price of gas in New Lenox. Prices have come down all over the Chicago area in April. "New Lenox" just went along with that trend.

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