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catfish99

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2011 6:47:38 AM

Boycotts and gas outs do not work. The reasons are many, for an in-depth look check out this Gas Buddy thread.
Instead of wasting the effort on things that do not work to lower your energy costs, use your time (and a little cash) on things that do work.
Example: Wrap your hot water heater with an insulating blanket made for the job. They cost about 10-15 dollars, and drop your electric bill about 5%.
Isn't that a better way to spend half an hour than urging your friends to not buy gas on Tuesdays?
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deant99
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 8:12:56 PM

boycotting gas won't work, at some point you have to go somewhere using an auto
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 5:24:49 PM

I don't boycott the gas stations, by buying smaller amounts of gas you hurt the big boys at the oil companies. The less you buy the less the big boys get paid. Its high time to let these guys know that we are not going to pay for their lives. Get a bike or walk, let them know that they can't do this without a back fire along the way! Sorry about the gas station owners they can only do what the oil and gas companies let them. We can all make a difference if we would all stick Together!!!!!!! Buy only what you need and let them and the government know that we are getting fed up!:)
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 12:22:15 PM

Why the station boycott? Most stations are owned by small business folks who are not making a lot of money.
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valpal357
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 10:07:34 AM

very interesting replies. i boycott companies or stations entirely, but not for just one day.
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ybegood
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2014 6:42:55 PM

Good point. And eat less meat to lower the carbon in the air more than if you drove a hybrid if you eat a lot of meat. Especially beef. Buffalo is much better for you and the environment.
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violetz
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 3:35:24 PM

The only boycotting for gas that works is boycotting a particular brand or just buying at the cheapest gas station prices also works (unless it is from a brand that should be boycotted like BP)
The other way to boycott is to ride a bike, share a ride, or walk more and drive less.
I have participated in (no buy on a particular date) boycott and it did not work.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 11:09:53 AM

. Boycotting high priced stations every day and only buying at the lowest priced station in your area WORKS... only boycotting one day a week is silly, you just buy more gas the next day... one day boycotts are prolly actually pushed by the oil companies to fool the gullible/religics into thinking they are actually doing something worthwhile... the oil companies really do FEAR customers who ignore high priced stations and only buy at the lowest priced ones... this keeps windfall profits right out of their pockets...
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tklsr
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2014 9:49:48 AM

boycotting gas is not an effective tool.
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bentley86
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2014 9:03:29 AM

Just buy gas at the most economical price
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 9:08:49 PM

BP only owns a handful of stations. They decided years ago to get out of the retail gasoline business because the margins were too low. If you see a BP station it is highly likely that it is a franchise.
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Godozo
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 8:13:30 PM

Boycotting is not just the matter of making prices drop a few cents. That's what GasBuddy.com's about.

The reason there was lots of talk about boycotting BP was to get at them for the Macondo blowout in the Gulf. And as I've said, there were effects – quite a few stations changed, with was a cutback of BP's earnings from the stations (which include a flat 1% off the top for ALL sales – fuel, candy bars, drinks, cooked food sales, etc.). That's still plenty of money lost, even for a company as protected as BP. Those jobbers selling BP gas suffered, admittedly, but the vast majority either adapted or hung on – I've yet to see a BP station strictly close down..

There's also the fact that there used to be Citgo Truck Stops (at least in the areas I've traveled). That changed soon after many right wing thinking people connected Citgo Gas with Hugo Chavez. Then the rumor changed, became "Road Ranger belongs to Hugo Chavez," led to signs on Road Ranger doors saying "We Are Our Own Company. We Are Not Citgo." And that was followed up by the ramping up of the "Citgo, sold by independent owners" advertising campaign which goes on even today.

So yes, boycotts work – as long as the boycott has nothing to do with prices.
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RS101
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 10:02:55 AM

Good point.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 1:53:41 AM

"Actually the Boycott on BP has had an effect."

Did price go down because a few stations changed their signs? No, of course not, because demand wasn't cut as part of a boycott, and some of the stations that changed brands were franchise owners who were deeply hurt by the actions of those who thought they were striking at BP, who could care less if they were hurting their friends, neighbours, and family members who had their life savings invested in their stations, and BP sold the same amount of fuel through other stations anyway.
You can't deeply hurt a brand that doesn't own all the stations, you only hurt the business owners.

The only way to actually boycott and affect prices in a downward manner is to cut consumption. Just shuffling dollars around the block will NEVER result in price decreases, it can actually result in increases.
Even if the prices don't go down when you cut consumption, you have more money in your pockets!
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GOBUTLER
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 9:35:00 PM

no way to have an effect.
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RockShagwell
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 11:00:55 PM

Boycotts will never work for gas
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Godozo
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:17:54 PM

Actually the Boycott on BP has had an effect.

Lots of gas stations that could change their signs did do so, going from BP to Shell or Phillips 66 or even Citgo. Some did so soon, others did so after years. This has led to a drop off in profits for BP, since one of their ways of getting $$$ was to charge for EVERY sale at the convenience store - something BP can't do when the store has changed over to the Marathon brand.

Other stations downplayed their BP connections. I know a station that was once all BP become a Luke station with a reduced BP footprint. Not a full change, but enough of a sign showing how much they felt the effects, as the BP station there kept a 2-5 cent premium over the nearby Speedway Stations.

Now I'll grant you that BP suffered less than they should have. The number of refineries has been reduced to a critically low number – low enough that one or two going out can cause a wide-ranging jump in prices. And since BP has a BIG-ASS refinery where I live (Northwest Indiana), this means they're supplying a lot of local gas stations. BP, Shell, Luke, GoLo/Save, Philip 66, 23rd Street Gas (on 24th street, go figure) – they all get their fuel from the local BP refinery.
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bikemannc
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:56:14 AM

Excellent response there Mikeyl back in May..

..."You can't get people to stop using gas. It won't ever work. Let's boycott BP. That means the stations on the other three corners of the intersection all increase their business by 1/3 (dividing up BP's business). So, how will THEY react? Less competition and more demand means PRICE INCREASE. You've screwed yourself.

All we can do it REDUCE the amount of energy we consume"...

Unless we find a replacement for the energy we all know we use and need why fool yourselves in thinking 'electric' cars are better or we can do more with using less? Electric cars need,not want,but need to be recharged via your homes outlet and the juice is mainly, let's see 82-83% Coal powered electricity. I realize this may be a 'shocker' to some here but all the total production of/by the alternative,green,renewable energy sources in the USA is 17-18%. Are you willing to give up 80% of whatever energy you use to use less or stick to renewable only? Until it's really possible,if ever, I'm not. What are our choices,how can we use it more efficently, when can we drill/use our own sources,and enjoy what we have? Btw, the NDakota oil field (Bakken for one)is estimated to be larger than the Saudi oil sources.If it wasn't on private land we could not feel the affects of lower oil costs=gasoline,etc. in time.
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Mover
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:42:56 AM

so true
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Mover
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:42:45 AM

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 7:40:12 AM

gisandy1 and SammyDA, you both exhibit a total misunderstanding of the supply and demand nature of retail gasoline, and basic marketing.
If you don't advocate actually cutting consumption, you are only advocating pushing dollars around the block.
Refusing to buy from one company means that company will be selling to another company where you are buying, you will be getting the same gas, you will be putting pressure on the supply line of other stations, which will actually put upward pressure on prices. It will also contribute to lay-off of your friends, family, and neighbours that work at the stations you choose to boycott.
You CAN'T push a company to lower prices below their cost. Remember, most retail stations are owned and operated by franchise owners who have their life savings tied up in the business, not by Big Oil.

You want prices to go down? USE LESS!
Simple logic tells you that, even if they don't go down, you spend less money!

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 10/16/2013 7:41:23 AM EST]
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 10:23:47 PM

"THEY DO WORK - PEOPLE CAN'T GET IT OUT OF THEIR HEAD'S - BUY CHEAPEST IS THE #1 RULE IF YOU BUY GASOLINE.

THE COMPANIES SELLING GAS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IT CAN'T WORK, SO THEY MAKE BIGGER PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Shouting it doesn't make it true.
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SammyDA
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 4:46:03 PM

THEY DO WORK - PEOPLE CAN'T GET IT OUT OF THEIR HEAD'S - BUY CHEAPEST IS THE #1 RULE IF YOU BUY GASOLINE.

THE COMPANIES SELLING GAS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IT CAN'T WORK, SO THEY MAKE BIGGER PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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gisandy1
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 9:04:19 PM

Boycotting will work if it can be organized to get a group as a whole to participate. If we can organize when to boycott a certain company at the same time ,they will notice it in a big hurry. When they adjust their prices to a lower level that is in out favour, we then reward them by purchasing their fuel as a group as well. It will work!
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 3:53:12 PM

A boycott won't work. A boycott basically means rather than watch one TV program you watch another. So rather than buy gasoline from Exxon you buy from Chevron. Won't work.

If you want lower fuel prices then you have to QUIT BUYING fuel. Or at the very least cut your consumption significantly.

But then the part people keep missing is that once prices fall you have to INCREASE CONSUMPTION so the provider gets the message that lower prices will sell and you'll cut back again if they rise.

What doesn't work is postponing filling your tank until prices get to where you like, or your tank is empty, whichever comes first.
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stonejd
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 3:21:10 PM

I think this is a dead topic.
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lisenclose
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 5:51:52 PM

people dont come together and when they do they get all off topic & fight about the issues so nothing ever gets solve
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 6:45:51 PM

The topic has been active for 2 years I do not think anyone had been confused by the term "hot water heater". I guess I was wrong.
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TheJediCharles
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 1:37:28 PM

"Hot water heater"?
If you aren't going to call it a water heater, wouldn't it make more sense to call it a "cold water heater"? After all, if the water's already hot, why heat it?
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 7:10:23 AM

67, if you are not reducing your total consumption of gas over a sustained time, you cannot affect price with any local scheme.
Dealers do not control the underlying price, and shifting to lower priced stations, while making good sense, will not affect the wholesale price of gas.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 3:59:42 PM

"They do work, but people will not try. Stay away from a particular station for a day or two and see what happens, but you will not see that happen, because there is always someone filling up at the higher priced station."

There are a couple of local stations that I never get gas from, and I hardly ever see anyone getting gas from them and they are still among the most expensive in the area. Go figure. Boycotts against fungible commodities do not and have never worked. Most vehicles run on gasoline or diesel only. If they would alternatively run on bananas or water, then maybe it would work. But unless everyone completely quits driving, the demand (and therefore gasoline sales) will always be there. Get a clue. Your boycott call is tantamount to asking people to boycott food. It cannot work.
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67Leafs
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 11:48:44 AM

They do work, but people will not try. Stay away from a particular station for a day or two and see what happens, but you will not see that happen, because there is always someone filling up at the higher priced station.
Wake up people!
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phat14u
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 3:57:01 AM

walk
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tedrodgerspa
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2013 9:37:11 PM

Take a bus / use mass transportation
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 5:31:33 PM

Thinking about boycotting?....they never work.............
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33gort33
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2013 7:45:11 AM

I'm not sure I'm buying that...
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2013 8:49:57 AM

"As a Retired Union Officer and still a strong union supporter, I have seen many boycotts, pickets, marches and stand offs work. They don't work as well in these times because of all the cry babies that are so insecure, lazy, and self centered that they only think of themselves and can't sacrifice anything for anyone else. It means giving up driving and who will do that. And who will give up time to do informational pickets, marches, and protests to promote your cause and using the media to promote to spread the word and your demands. Yes, you will have to sacrifice to make it work, and most people won't give up anything. They will just cry about it. Wah Wah!!"

I find that post to be quite ironic (and very condescending) considering it came from a 8+ year member who doesn't post gas prices to help their fellow members find the lowest prices in their area. Tell me, were these boycotts, pickets, and marches against fungible commodities? Or were they made to encourage the development of alternatives to driving for people who have no other reasonable alternate means of travel, such as mass transit?


[Edited by: Michael29644 at 6/9/2013 8:50:43 AM EST]
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olympusman2004
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2013 1:14:38 AM

okl
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paddiej
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2013 3:36:27 PM

As a Retired Union Officer and still a strong union supporter, I have seen many boycotts, pickets, marches and stand offs work. They don't work as well in these times because of all the cry babies that are so insecure, lazy, and self centered that they only think of themselves and can't sacrifice anything for anyone else. It means giving up driving and who will do that. And who will give up time to do informational pickets, marches, and protests to promote your cause and using the media to promote to spread the word and your demands. Yes, you will have to sacrifice to make it work, and most people won't give up anything. They will just cry about it. Wah Wah!!
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bighatch65
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2013 10:38:56 AM

Ok
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crayolagirl61
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 10:29:11 PM

If you use oil to heat your house consider converting to natural gas if 1. you can afford the expense and 2 if it available in your area. Better heat source. Less expensive and better for environment.
Boycotts do not work. Eventually everyone needs to fill the gas tank and/or oil tank.


[Edited by: crayolagirl61 at 6/1/2013 10:30:51 PM EST]
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 9:04:37 AM

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MichaelWalker8
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 6:19:04 AM

It doesen`t matter what we do because it will not make a difference. They can charge whatever they want for gas and we will have to pay if we want to get from one place to another in our own vehicle. These are businesses that only care about making more and more profits.
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Mikeyl
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 10:59:45 PM

Finally, someone with a brain AND they know how to use it! Way to go, Catfish99!!!

You can't get people to stop using gas. It won't ever work. Let's boycott BP. That means the stations on the other three corners of the intersection all increase their business by 1/3 (dividing up BP's business). So, how will THEY react? Less competition and more demand means PRICE INCREASE. You've screwed yourself.

All we can do it REDUCE the amount of energy we consume.

Turn your car off. Walk. Ride your bike. Take the bus or train.
Turn off your lights except for one in the room you're in. Replace your old light bulbs with fluorescent bulbs or, better yet, the newer LEDs. They cost more, but use 15% of the energy and last 100 times longer! You make money in the end. Turn your air condition up one degree or lower the heat by one degree and save 10%.
Fix the leak in your faucet and save 100s of gallons of water (and all the energy needed to produce the water).

Really, this stuff works. It's not rocket science. It won't hurt, either.
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 9:29:53 AM

Figures
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PatVV
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 10:22:24 AM

Even if as few as 15% of BP and Shells customers bought gas elsewhere BP and Shell would reduce prices to bring those customers back! And as the gas prices at BP and Shell drop their competition would also drop prices to remain competitive!
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ronbo2010
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 5:12:31 PM

I think instead of boycott, try to find a more efficient way to do things. I used to take the car even for short hop trips, I am talking something that is right around the corner from my house. Now, I take my bike or walk.
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 2:15:01 PM

No
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catfish99
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 6:12:53 AM

Steveo - two points.
1. ExxonMobil does not own stations. Mom an dPop folks (who you claim to support) own stations with the Exxon and Mobil brand. They buy a franchise, and the owners I have spoken to put in twice the hours of most workers. Hurting them does not affect Exxon at all.
2. ExxonMobil has hundreds of billions of dollars invested in their business. Of course they make billions - if they could not make 5-10% return, they would get out of it. You need to look at percentages of the amount of money sunk into a business, not the raw return. McDonalds made a higher percentage the last time I looked. I'm still waiting for the "Ronald McDonald is a gouger" thread, though.
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 7:46:04 AM

Seldom works on anything
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SteveoBeano
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 2:23:48 PM

There ARE ALTERNATIVES...right now I depend on Gas Buddy to direct me to the lowest price gas stations. And I make the extra trip to fill up at those stations.

As far as not buying anything BUT GAS at a Gas Station, if they want me to again become a loyal customer, they will make SURE I along with everyone else has a quick, convenient way to use their loyalty points at a gas pump, instead of making 4 trips to and from a cashier to "Pre-Pay". While savings are nice, my time is worth more than that.

The "Convenience Stores of Speedway" cam go whistle! Before I buy Milk, Oil, or anything else, a gas station will by my very LAST RESORT. In fact, I'll go out of my way and even go without. The smaller mom and pop tobacco stores, local grocery stores, and doughnut shops that I now buy my morning coffee at appreciate my business. AND I'm not contributing to RECORD PROFITS OF OIL COMPANIES but instead, supporting independent smaller businesses that DON'T make BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROFIT OFF GREED AND FLEECING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

In the 1st quarter of 2012, Exxon made a record breaking 13.2 BILLION DOLLARS in PROFIT. The highest single quarter EVER for any company in existence.

Exxon Mobil replaced Apple for the number 1 spot in profit and sales on the NYSE. Over the Billions of new iphones, itunes, and apple app stores COMBINED.

So excuse me if I don't buy anything from a gas station except gas...but I really don't see your logic here Michael29644. But just when did you get the impression gas stations and oil companies weren't raising prices ALREADY just to make more money, and add to their already record breaking profits?

I'll take my quiet boycott all the way...
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