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catfish99

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2011 6:47:38 AM

Boycotts and gas outs do not work. The reasons are many, for an in-depth look check out this Gas Buddy thread.
Instead of wasting the effort on things that do not work to lower your energy costs, use your time (and a little cash) on things that do work.
Example: Wrap your hot water heater with an insulating blanket made for the job. They cost about 10-15 dollars, and drop your electric bill about 5%.
Isn't that a better way to spend half an hour than urging your friends to not buy gas on Tuesdays?
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Tucsonhomes
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 6:47:38 PM

The laws of supply and demand always win over time
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2015 8:09:07 AM

But if you do not reduce consumption of the product, you are not boycotting. You will not affect any bottom line if you just switch fro Shell to BP or from Exxon to Sunoco. If a million Exxon buyers suddenly went to BP, Exxon would still sell the same amount of gas. They would just ship it to BP stations. The only people hurt would be the individual station owners, who are almost always small businessmen who bought a franchise after being laid off, or after saving to own their own store, or as a second career. They are the people making less than a nickle a gallon, but sharing that small profit with your daughter's soccer team, or son's baseball team. That is who gets hurt by a boycott - people who can't affect the price but do affect your community.
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hoochie123
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:11:50 AM

Hybrids are overrated. No real value in them.
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coachhow
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 5:24:25 AM

There is no real effort involved in boycotting a product you have issues with. The effect may be minor individually, but it still will help contribute to a smaller bottom line.
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retiredssgt
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2015 8:04:42 AM

Boycotting is a great idea if you can get enough people to commit to the boycott for an extended period of time.
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DEPMEDS
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2015 11:50:03 PM

I love my F150 Crew Cab, no hybrid for this guy!
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ray44512
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2015 9:44:33 PM

Daily/weekly/monthly boycotts do not work. Prices fall when sustained demand falls. If everyone scrapped their SUVs for hybrids gas prices would fall like a rock.
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Yvon2014
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2015 8:23:41 AM

Better to put our energy in something more productive than boycotting
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themahannibal
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2014 8:31:26 PM

We need another gas out/boycott to get gas back UP to $3 so we're not shocked in a year or a few months when it goes up again.
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2014 7:15:08 AM

And gas stations use gas as loss leaders to sell you those cups of coffee. If you buy ten gallons of gas, a soda and pack of gum, the owner just made more money on the soda and gum.
Don't blame station owners for gas prices. They usually make about a nickle a gallon.
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Hacksaw50
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 11:57:32 AM

Hard to boycott in small towns where the gas is close to same price everywhere, but I always look for best price before buying to get best price. Most stations today depend on in store sales for their bottom line, so if they lose in store sales such as coffee, drinks and snacks they will notice this quickly.
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Tucsonhomes
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 11:14:31 AM

I don't think so
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 5:07:29 AM

I have repeatedly said that boycotts positively do not work, period.
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superman1AZ
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 10:48:47 PM

The Oil Boom is here, and we need to encourage our remaining domestic oil companies to use our Domestic Supplies. We are Funding Terrorism from the thugs in the Middle East by buying their oil. The Saudis are warning us to look out for Isis? They Fund them!! Cut off their money by not buying their oil!
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DVader1138
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 2:50:09 PM

@ magpie2013 - Do you think the "big boys" work on commission or something? They get paid the same whether you buy gas today or not. You and 200 of your friends could decide not to buy gas today, and neither the "big boys" nor the their bank accounts would even notice.

@ Leo3614 - When did he say this? And since when does the President of the United States have the power to lower or raise the price of gas??? I can't seem to find that in the constitution. He (Bush) pushed for lower taxes, and got it, so in a way, he DID lower the price of gas. lol

@ Catfish99 - Well said.
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Godozo
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2014 12:52:19 PM

Oil boom my butt, Superman1AZ.

Remember, these guys have to put in millions of dollars for a well that barely pumps out crude after eight months.

If another East Texas field is found, I'm sure prices will drop. In the meantime, we're paying to pump water into holes to break up rocks to free up molecules of gas. We're also paying for the people in Alberta to strip mine oil in sands (you heard me right – STRIP MINE) and for miles long pipes through water to hit at deep oil deposits in the gulf. Price drops would close those sources up.
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 6:55:07 AM

Bush? Really?
Think for youself much, or just parrot others? I think we know.
If you insist, I'll remind you - Nancy Pelosi blocked offshore drilling which would be online and lowering prices today, the EPA and the radical Greens block refinery build-outs so we can't process what we do drill. Keystone is blocked by Obama.
And by the way, US average regular price was under $2.00 a gallon when BUUUUUUSH left office.
Thanks for playing.

Edited for typo.

[Edited by: catfish99 at 6/17/2014 6:55:42 AM EST]
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leo3614
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2014 4:29:53 PM

What happen to Bush telling us that he was going to lower gas prices.
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EvPv
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2014 12:39:42 AM

Simply use less. Buy more efficient vehicles. Combine trips. I actually do not drive on my days off. I may use my bicycle, but cutting out driving for more than 10% of the week lowers my fuel bill substantially.....and lowers demand.
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superman1AZ
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2014 4:42:56 PM

Thats nice, but we must fight high gas prices somehow. They would like it to be 6-8 dollars/gallon. We have an oil BOOM in this country? Ludicrous to raise prices!!!
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prkuehn
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Message Posted: May 17, 2014 11:56:01 PM

Sure
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 11, 2014 9:10:49 AM

"by buying smaller amounts of gas you hurt the big boys at the oil companies. The less you buy the less the big boys get paid. "

Please explain how that works if you don't cut down your driving, because you end up using MORE gas with all the extra stops!
Now if you are walking more, or riding a bike, that is NOTHING to do with a boycott, it is simply conserving. People are too lazy to do that, and the states counter by raing the speed limits so people use more gas when they do drive! LOL!
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Awing1
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Message Posted: May 9, 2014 8:23:42 AM

Yes, it's better way and I agree with you.
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deant99
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 8:12:56 PM

boycotting gas won't work, at some point you have to go somewhere using an auto
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 5:24:49 PM

I don't boycott the gas stations, by buying smaller amounts of gas you hurt the big boys at the oil companies. The less you buy the less the big boys get paid. Its high time to let these guys know that we are not going to pay for their lives. Get a bike or walk, let them know that they can't do this without a back fire along the way! Sorry about the gas station owners they can only do what the oil and gas companies let them. We can all make a difference if we would all stick Together!!!!!!! Buy only what you need and let them and the government know that we are getting fed up!:)
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catfish99
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 12:22:15 PM

Why the station boycott? Most stations are owned by small business folks who are not making a lot of money.
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valpal357
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 10:07:34 AM

very interesting replies. i boycott companies or stations entirely, but not for just one day.
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ybegood
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2014 6:42:55 PM

Good point. And eat less meat to lower the carbon in the air more than if you drove a hybrid if you eat a lot of meat. Especially beef. Buffalo is much better for you and the environment.
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violetz
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 3:35:24 PM

The only boycotting for gas that works is boycotting a particular brand or just buying at the cheapest gas station prices also works (unless it is from a brand that should be boycotted like BP)
The other way to boycott is to ride a bike, share a ride, or walk more and drive less.
I have participated in (no buy on a particular date) boycott and it did not work.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 11:09:53 AM

. Boycotting high priced stations every day and only buying at the lowest priced station in your area WORKS... only boycotting one day a week is silly, you just buy more gas the next day... one day boycotts are prolly actually pushed by the oil companies to fool the gullible/religics into thinking they are actually doing something worthwhile... the oil companies really do FEAR customers who ignore high priced stations and only buy at the lowest priced ones... this keeps windfall profits right out of their pockets...
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tklsr
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2014 9:49:48 AM

boycotting gas is not an effective tool.
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bentley86
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2014 9:03:29 AM

Just buy gas at the most economical price
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 9:08:49 PM

BP only owns a handful of stations. They decided years ago to get out of the retail gasoline business because the margins were too low. If you see a BP station it is highly likely that it is a franchise.
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Godozo
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2013 8:13:30 PM

Boycotting is not just the matter of making prices drop a few cents. That's what GasBuddy.com's about.

The reason there was lots of talk about boycotting BP was to get at them for the Macondo blowout in the Gulf. And as I've said, there were effects – quite a few stations changed, with was a cutback of BP's earnings from the stations (which include a flat 1% off the top for ALL sales – fuel, candy bars, drinks, cooked food sales, etc.). That's still plenty of money lost, even for a company as protected as BP. Those jobbers selling BP gas suffered, admittedly, but the vast majority either adapted or hung on – I've yet to see a BP station strictly close down..

There's also the fact that there used to be Citgo Truck Stops (at least in the areas I've traveled). That changed soon after many right wing thinking people connected Citgo Gas with Hugo Chavez. Then the rumor changed, became "Road Ranger belongs to Hugo Chavez," led to signs on Road Ranger doors saying "We Are Our Own Company. We Are Not Citgo." And that was followed up by the ramping up of the "Citgo, sold by independent owners" advertising campaign which goes on even today.

So yes, boycotts work – as long as the boycott has nothing to do with prices.
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RS101
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2013 10:02:55 AM

Good point.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 1:53:41 AM

"Actually the Boycott on BP has had an effect."

Did price go down because a few stations changed their signs? No, of course not, because demand wasn't cut as part of a boycott, and some of the stations that changed brands were franchise owners who were deeply hurt by the actions of those who thought they were striking at BP, who could care less if they were hurting their friends, neighbours, and family members who had their life savings invested in their stations, and BP sold the same amount of fuel through other stations anyway.
You can't deeply hurt a brand that doesn't own all the stations, you only hurt the business owners.

The only way to actually boycott and affect prices in a downward manner is to cut consumption. Just shuffling dollars around the block will NEVER result in price decreases, it can actually result in increases.
Even if the prices don't go down when you cut consumption, you have more money in your pockets!
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GOBUTLER
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 9:35:00 PM

no way to have an effect.
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RockShagwell
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 11:00:55 PM

Boycotts will never work for gas
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Godozo
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:17:54 PM

Actually the Boycott on BP has had an effect.

Lots of gas stations that could change their signs did do so, going from BP to Shell or Phillips 66 or even Citgo. Some did so soon, others did so after years. This has led to a drop off in profits for BP, since one of their ways of getting $$$ was to charge for EVERY sale at the convenience store - something BP can't do when the store has changed over to the Marathon brand.

Other stations downplayed their BP connections. I know a station that was once all BP become a Luke station with a reduced BP footprint. Not a full change, but enough of a sign showing how much they felt the effects, as the BP station there kept a 2-5 cent premium over the nearby Speedway Stations.

Now I'll grant you that BP suffered less than they should have. The number of refineries has been reduced to a critically low number – low enough that one or two going out can cause a wide-ranging jump in prices. And since BP has a BIG-ASS refinery where I live (Northwest Indiana), this means they're supplying a lot of local gas stations. BP, Shell, Luke, GoLo/Save, Philip 66, 23rd Street Gas (on 24th street, go figure) – they all get their fuel from the local BP refinery.
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bikemannc
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:56:14 AM

Excellent response there Mikeyl back in May..

..."You can't get people to stop using gas. It won't ever work. Let's boycott BP. That means the stations on the other three corners of the intersection all increase their business by 1/3 (dividing up BP's business). So, how will THEY react? Less competition and more demand means PRICE INCREASE. You've screwed yourself.

All we can do it REDUCE the amount of energy we consume"...

Unless we find a replacement for the energy we all know we use and need why fool yourselves in thinking 'electric' cars are better or we can do more with using less? Electric cars need,not want,but need to be recharged via your homes outlet and the juice is mainly, let's see 82-83% Coal powered electricity. I realize this may be a 'shocker' to some here but all the total production of/by the alternative,green,renewable energy sources in the USA is 17-18%. Are you willing to give up 80% of whatever energy you use to use less or stick to renewable only? Until it's really possible,if ever, I'm not. What are our choices,how can we use it more efficently, when can we drill/use our own sources,and enjoy what we have? Btw, the NDakota oil field (Bakken for one)is estimated to be larger than the Saudi oil sources.If it wasn't on private land we could not feel the affects of lower oil costs=gasoline,etc. in time.
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Mover
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:42:56 AM

so true
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Mover
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:42:45 AM

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 7:40:12 AM

gisandy1 and SammyDA, you both exhibit a total misunderstanding of the supply and demand nature of retail gasoline, and basic marketing.
If you don't advocate actually cutting consumption, you are only advocating pushing dollars around the block.
Refusing to buy from one company means that company will be selling to another company where you are buying, you will be getting the same gas, you will be putting pressure on the supply line of other stations, which will actually put upward pressure on prices. It will also contribute to lay-off of your friends, family, and neighbours that work at the stations you choose to boycott.
You CAN'T push a company to lower prices below their cost. Remember, most retail stations are owned and operated by franchise owners who have their life savings tied up in the business, not by Big Oil.

You want prices to go down? USE LESS!
Simple logic tells you that, even if they don't go down, you spend less money!

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 10/16/2013 7:41:23 AM EST]
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 10:23:47 PM

"THEY DO WORK - PEOPLE CAN'T GET IT OUT OF THEIR HEAD'S - BUY CHEAPEST IS THE #1 RULE IF YOU BUY GASOLINE.

THE COMPANIES SELLING GAS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IT CAN'T WORK, SO THEY MAKE BIGGER PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Shouting it doesn't make it true.
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SammyDA
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2013 4:46:03 PM

THEY DO WORK - PEOPLE CAN'T GET IT OUT OF THEIR HEAD'S - BUY CHEAPEST IS THE #1 RULE IF YOU BUY GASOLINE.

THE COMPANIES SELLING GAS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE IT CAN'T WORK, SO THEY MAKE BIGGER PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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gisandy1
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 9:04:19 PM

Boycotting will work if it can be organized to get a group as a whole to participate. If we can organize when to boycott a certain company at the same time ,they will notice it in a big hurry. When they adjust their prices to a lower level that is in out favour, we then reward them by purchasing their fuel as a group as well. It will work!
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 3:53:12 PM

A boycott won't work. A boycott basically means rather than watch one TV program you watch another. So rather than buy gasoline from Exxon you buy from Chevron. Won't work.

If you want lower fuel prices then you have to QUIT BUYING fuel. Or at the very least cut your consumption significantly.

But then the part people keep missing is that once prices fall you have to INCREASE CONSUMPTION so the provider gets the message that lower prices will sell and you'll cut back again if they rise.

What doesn't work is postponing filling your tank until prices get to where you like, or your tank is empty, whichever comes first.
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stonejd
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 3:21:10 PM

I think this is a dead topic.
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lisenclose
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 5:51:52 PM

people dont come together and when they do they get all off topic & fight about the issues so nothing ever gets solve
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 6:45:51 PM

The topic has been active for 2 years I do not think anyone had been confused by the term "hot water heater". I guess I was wrong.
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TheJediCharles
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 1:37:28 PM

"Hot water heater"?
If you aren't going to call it a water heater, wouldn't it make more sense to call it a "cold water heater"? After all, if the water's already hot, why heat it?
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