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whamel04

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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 7:28:59 AM

I drive a 2010 Ford Fusion 3.5L V6 and all it requires is regular 87 octane gasoline. However since moving down to Mississippi from Chicago, I notice many stations have side-by-side options to purchase 87 with ethanol and 87 w/o ethanol. The gas w/o ethanol is about 11 cents more a gallon, but in the long run, if I filled just non-ethanol gasoline for the next say, 10,000 miles, would it have any impact (pos/neg) on my engine and it performance?
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:39:56 PM

Nah, I don't think so. Use a couple of tanks and see what happens. Use the fuel logbook on this site to record your figures. You should be able to make a decision in about a month or two. If your vehicle conks out, just take it back to the dealer and they will give you another one.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:53:28 PM

plans72 wrote:
"87 Octane w Ethanol is what is sold in this area"

jason54915 wrote:
"all I run is 87 no ethanol and my 2011 Kia Optima SX loves it ;-)"

Can either of you explain how your answers respond to question in the original post?
Your telling him that they sell or don't sell a certain item in your area doesn't seem to explain how a switch in fuel will affect his engine and performance. And Telling him how your car loves a certain fuel doesn't seem to tell him what he should expect from HIS vehicle.

Maybe you can provide a more complete or better explanation in answering the original post. Just a suggestion.
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plans72
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:11:50 PM

87 Octane w Ethanol is what is sold in this area
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Niteowl9
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:59:53 PM

The 7-Eleven stores in the OKC area (which are not part of the national chain) sell both E10 and 100%. There is a sign on the pumps that they don't charge excessive amounts for 100%. For example, one close by is $2.99 for E10 and $3.03 for 100%. I get about 3 more mpg with 100% (normally 22 mpg, with 100% I get 25) so the 4-cent difference is worth it.
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Saab93turbo
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:24:10 PM

You can try to test it. Some cars have mpg meters on the computer display. Those are not too accurate but are not too bad. Fill and then reset it. Drive the same route. The meter is most accurate for long drives but even 2 miles, it will be ok. Make sure the car is already warmed up, though, as this makes a big difference in fuel economy measurements.
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jason54915
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:17:46 AM

all I run is 87 no ethanol and my 2011 Kia Optima SX loves it ;-)
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Tommyguns45
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:50:16 AM

I will be glad when Illinois has the choice of buying ethanol or not which I wont since it cost more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol not counting the higher cost of our food from using so much corn. The brightest out look for the future is when we have compressed natural gas at all the stations.
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whamel04
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:06:48 AM

Thanks for all the replies, I got curious when I moved to Mississippi and saw that they sell 87, and sometimes 89 and 91-93 octane grades side-by-side with ethanol or without ethanol.
I also found out that not one gas station in Mississippi sells E-85 for the flex fuel vehicles. I found this odd b/c the Ford dealer was selling Flex Fuel Fusion's here in MS.
I even talked to one station owner about this, b/c they had a pump labeled for E-85 but it said out of order. Apparently they invested in the infrastructure just to be put down by the govt. and have their application denied. How screwed up is that?
-bill
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:35:05 PM

Nope! But, you will have a ton of change in your pocket from your savings.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 7:06:10 AM

difference is 13 cents here
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 2:56:36 PM

Naw, go ahead and use it. The federal government wouldn't let you put something in your engine if it was bad for it. Would they?
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 8:39:41 AM

I agree with GB if the difference between fuels is 70 cents/gallon, but if you can get it for 11 cents, it seems like the way to go. I'm in Mississippi as well, but I've not noticed "E-zero" at my normal station(s) - where in the state are you located? I'm on the Gulf Coast, in the Biloxi area ...
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 8:55:44 PM


Unless you're doing controlled testing (with/without ethanol for 10,000 miles per test) you're simply driving under a variety of conditions and making a random comparison. That said, gas without ethanol will get you better fuel economy though you, of course, pay a premium for buying such fuel.

If you're really concerned about what to use, rather than ask our random experiences, why not ask two people that don't have a vested interest in which fuel to buy. Ask your Ford dealer what's recommended for your specific vehicle and then do a price comparison (you should easily be able to determine the miles-per-gallon increase of using non-ethanol versus ethanol fuel) based on your current price per gallon price difference. Remember that "recommended" and "required" are two different issues. Second, ask your local mechanic what his experiences are with similar vehicles. (And yes, your local mechanic might, in fact, be at your Ford dealership, but that doesn't mean the two people agree).

It's possible that you might get a noticeable miles-per-gallon increase, but you may be paying a significantly higher price per gallon, and your increased fuel economy doesn't justify the price increase. As an example, locally non-ethanol fuel is about 70 cents per gallon higher than ethanol fuel; about 20 percent more costly per gallon than ethanol fuel ($4.10 versus $3.41 per gallon). Using non-ethanol fuel (i.e., gasoline), I get about 30 miles to the gallon, whereas using ethanol-fuel I get about 25 miles to the gallon, about a 20 percent increase, so for me (and I repeat, for me), it's a wash. However, previously, when ethanol-fuel was selling for closer to $3 a gallon and non-ethanol was selling for $3.90 a gallon, meaning that I'd get more miles per gallon, but I'd be paying a higher price per gallon.

For an excellent commentary, see the following:
[L=http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2011/01/the-great-ethanol-

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valby
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 6:09:22 PM

Regular with 10%
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 5:39:18 PM

87 octane here does not contain ethanol.
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DI
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 4:57:16 PM

FWIW, Minnesota has mandated 10% ethanol is all gasoline since Oct. 1997. I've had two vehicles that have used primarily ethanol-blended gasoline (since much of my driving is in Minnesota), both with over 300,000 miles and no engine problems.

You should do as Titanic1985 suggested run a test comparison between the two fuels to determine the cost per mile. Generally, it's recommended that you use five tanks in a row to get a good comparison. You should also note if there's any unusual weather (especially abnormally cold conditions) since that can dramatically impact fuel economy due to longer warm ups, etc.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 8:58:12 AM

If you indeed found that type of option in Mississippi I am wondering why it isn't available in other areas like this one.
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 8:44:57 AM

Good Morning whamel04. I've own a 2012 Chevrolet Sonic Hatchback with a 1.8L 4 cylinder engine. A month before its purchase, my local truck stop began selling non-ethanol Regular 87 octane gasoline. The price varies from below Regular to above Premium, where it currently is. I've never used ethanol gas in it.

You asked, "...if I filled just non-ethanol gasoline for the next say, 10,000 miles, would it have any impact (pos/neg) on my engine and it performance?" Perhaps, but I can only speak for my Sonic when I say I am achieving up to 41 MPG and the vehicle's EPA rating is 25 City 35 Highway. It is a personal choice.

Here is a thought, just that, my vehicle holds 12.2 gallons. At the price you quote, that would add $1.34 to a fill-up of my Sonic, if it were totally empty. Just a slight improvement of MPG would more than pay for the difference. On the highway, I obtain 41.7 MPG! Why don't you try both types of fuel for a period of time and compare the MPG. I believe MPG qualifies as a "performance" improvement issue.

By the way, Welcome to Gas Buddy and your 3rd post. I used to live in Batavia, IL and worked for AT&T in Naperville -- small world isn't it? Best wishes :-). MGY (RMS Titanic's radio call sign)
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thirty8paces
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 7:43:27 AM

With a Fusion, you may as well purchase the ethanol laden gas. Those engines use so little gas anyway as well as the fact that they're built to handle higher ethanol content. An older car would be a no brainer to ditch the ethanol.
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