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altlandf

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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:49:52 PM

I read on www.ydr.com the York Daily Record that becasue of Sandy some of their stations are running out of gas. In fact the Sheetz on 215 Arsenal Road in York is out of gas. They have Diesel but no gas as of 12:30 pm Sunday Nov. 18. I feel this is nothing more than a scam to charge people more for gas when they are already ripping us off. Gas has never been this high this time of the year. I wish Pa's Attorney General would go after all the people that sell gas. I emailed Sheetz to ask them what's going on and they told me that they get their gas from something called the Buckeye gas pipeline. If they got the pipeline was online before noon on November 16 than why is there a problem? Why doesn't any other gas stations have any problems with their gas supplies? They just keep ripping us off don't they.
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 5:59:30 PM

A member since 2003 and a whopping 236 posts...and some people actually take this guy seriously?

[Edited by: KansasGunman at 11/26/2012 6:00:28 PM EST]
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KrispyKreme
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 5:29:43 PM

altlandf has a serious bone to pick with Sheetz. I'm honestly surprised this post didn't go on to mention the whole $1.49 gas conspiracy that altlandf just won't let go.

And to altlandf: To call people morons when you claim a gas station is ripping people off by not selling gas? Your total lack of logic is making my head hurt.
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 2:33:31 PM

What does "bull" mean? It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion other than getting you points for posting in the forum.

Could you expand a little on the bull statement?
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Boyrr
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 2:25:37 PM

Bull
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 11:17:46 AM

Others have asked but I will ask as well. How does Sheetz benifit from not having gas to sell? The model that Sheetz operates on is to sell gas as cheap as possible given their cost and in so doing drive people into their stores where they really make their money. So no gas to sell means no one coming in their stores which means they make no money.

The OP's logic is completely flawed. Why would Sheetz want to loose sales?
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 11:11:54 AM

None will care what the real answer is but for those that do, here it is.

Gas products (gas, diesel, jet) move on product pipelines. Those pipelines are not as sophisticated as many think. Basically all the products flow through the same lines in batches. 200k barrels of regular, followed by 100k barrels od diesel, followed by jet etc. When a pipeline shuts down they take off what product they can at the receiving end, and stop putting product in on the other end. When things start back up they put more in and the pipeline starts flowing. On the Colonial pipeline that runs from the Gulf Coast to the Northeast transit time can run up to 20 to 25 days. The product needs push barrels to move product. Addtionally when storms happen of events that disrupt things certain terminals along the way may take more product off the system before it gets to the end of the pipe. This is don to have fuel staged in areas that are not affected by the storm that can then be trucked in. Also a particuar brand having difficulties getting gas may have more to do with who they buy from. Unbranded stations are cheaper many times than branded because they do not have supply contracts. They buy cheaper overuns and distressed gas that refiners make. So if instead of having a contract for certain volumes, Sheetz chose to buy their gas spot then during shortage situations they will be the last retailer to be resupplied because the brands have obligations to their franchises.

The reference to the Jones act is that when moving products from one US port to another US port the law says you have to use a vessel that is American flagged. In otherwords you cannot move gas by ship from the US Gulf Coast to the Northeast US on a ship that is flagged out of the Phillipines. To waive that law meant during the backlash from the storm they could do that.

Others have said if the pipeline was operating by noon on the 16th then there should be gas available on the 18th, but if transit time can be 20 days plus it's obvious that is not the case.

There is a little more to getting gas to the market than turning on a valve.
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RallyeRed
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 2:09:14 PM

I will check the one in Parma, Ohio later today
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snerd
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 11:42:48 AM

Our local Sheetz was out of regular and mid grade for several days, while other stations still have gas. It's nice to know that there are apparently different suppliers supplying gas to our area.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:58:43 PM

And, as I recall, they get their gas from the north supply and many of their competitors get it from the south. And, if you look at the current maps of Storm Tracker stations out of gas, you can see that there are a number of stations out of gas, and some out of power. They did not appear to all be Sheetz. It is just possible that they were just not as prepared in their negotiations with the shippers as the other vendors, but I doubt it is a scam to have to turn customers away or tick them off by them having to by more expensive grades of fuel.
Again, the OP can ask them here why they are out of gas at SOME locations and express their dissatisfation
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deporresd
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:57:02 PM

First, I see no benefit for Sheetz to do this. Second, they are not the only station. Buy gas somewhere else.
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ZZZoop
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:16:24 PM

>>Bottom line is there's plent of gas it's just Sheetz trying to play games.<<

altlandf, you've yet to explain how this Sheetz scam works. If everyone else has gas, then it would seem that Sheetz is losing money by losing sales to their competitors.
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altlandf
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:26:09 PM

The article I am refering to was written on November 6. Easing NY pump pain could net oil traders millions. What the article said is the Us Government is waving something called the Jones Act. This is valid only to November 20. So when Sheetz claims they are out of fuel they are not tell the truth. No one else is having this problem. Why is Sheetz the only one? Why is it only certain stations? Sounds to me like someone isn't doing their jobs. Rutter, Royal Farms, Amerigreen, Giant Foods and the biggie Turkey Hill. You see Turkey Hills parent company is Kroger. They are the largest grocery store chain in America. They have fuel. Something sounds fishey to me. How can they run out of fuel? Somethings not right. Bottom line is there's plent of gas it's just Sheetz trying to play games.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:14:04 PM

Ask them : Sheetz Contact Us page.
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 5:20:55 PM

The source for this theory is George Carlin?

To me, the previous comments and questions are rooted in common sense.

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cougarls88
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 5:18:55 PM

Passed four Sheetz locations and all of them have the price for regular blanked out on the sign (and one had both regular and premium blank). Why isn't anyone else having problems securing supplies?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 4:51:35 PM

The Storm Sandy Gas Finder shows many stations in red (out of gas) and a number in black (out of power).

Looking at the price, currently PA average is 3.615 and falling, and looking at the Sheetz prices, they run from 3.43 to 3.59. In York were the most shortages were listed the prices are showing as 3.53 to 3.59.

If you look at the price maps compared to the US average, NJ, NY, NYC, Philly, etc, I do not see any sign of this being a scam. Use some other station than Sheetz if you feel they are not competitive.
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altlandf
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 4:00:40 PM

Hey Maxstar or whatever your name is they are doing this on purpose. I can believe how stupid people are. You are all sheep. Instead of celebrating Thankgiving the Sheetz Brothers should be in prison. Idiots I follow the stock markets. If it is true I read about the pipelines were back up and running on November 16 before noon. None of you people have the common sense of a tic tac. Giant, Rutters, Royal Farms, Shell, Amerigreen. None of them report problems with running out of gas. You should go to youtube and watch George Carlin American Dream an just listen to it. You should also read some of the comments. Wondering how many people just though it was a comedy routine and laughed it off. Why is it just certain stations? Why not all of them?
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maxstar
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 3:28:25 PM

"I feel this is nothing more than a scam to charge people more for gas when they are already ripping us off."

How would they charge people more for a product they are out of?
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EvPv
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 2:38:40 PM

If you think gas stations are ripping you off at the pump, then buy one to learn the entire picture
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 2:02:58 PM

You should do a little research. We are having problems with supply all the way to the Gulf Coast.
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ZZZoop
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:54:48 PM

>>I feel this is nothing more than a scam to charge people more for gas when they are already ripping us off.<<

Except that this website shows gas prices in Pennsylvania, and specifically York, as falling since mid-September. How does this scam work?

>>Gas has never been this high this time of the year.<<

How often does a hurricane hit Pennsylvania?

>>I wish Pa's Attorney General would go after all the people that sell gas.<<

Wishing for others to do the heavy lifting? The Pennsylvania AG has a consumer complaint process. Why don't you file a complaint?

>>I wish Pa's Attorney General would go after all the people that sell gas.<<

And the basis would be...what?
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