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Currency_Pro

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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 2:17:49 AM

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/422643--us-oil-refineries-were-open-when-said-to-be-closed-report

The price you paid at the pump spiked to $1.50 per litre in May and October, when the oil industry claimed refineries along the US west coast were closed.

A report suggests some of those refineries were actually open.

A gas shortage was blamed on fires at refineries in Washington State and in California.

"In three cases in the Bay Area, we found discrepancies; refineries had announced that major pieces of equipment were down for repairs. But at the same time, major pieces of equipment were apparently issuing smoke," says Robert McCullough with McCullough Research, the energy consultant behind the report.

"In reviewing the statistical data available from the California Energy Commission, we discovered that inventories of gasoline on the US side of the border had increased over both periods."

The Western States Petroleum Association tells Seattle's KOMO News those emissions may not have come from gas production, something McCullough doubts. "That's an interesting theory. I'm afraid his physics may require some rehabilitation."

Federal NDP Natural Resources Critic Peter Julian says this could be a sign that there is manipulation in the market.

"Petroleum companies are not playing fair with consumers. I think governments have to intervene when the markets aren't working for consumers. What we have to do is make sure that government is protecting the public."

"Millions of dollars are taken out of consumers' pockets. So, government has a role to say 'You can't jack up these prices without legitimate reasons,'" he adds.

A Washington State senator is calling for an investigation.

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grampi47
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 11:05:16 AM

"if a donut coffee chain charged more for coffee due to a claimed shortage, there would be no investigation, but a see people who de[end more on the cup of morning joe than their car. (not saying this has happened just pointing out that a business can charge what they want for their products."

Someone always brings up an irrelevent comparison like this. Since you brought up donuts and coffee, I'll make my point using those. Starbuck's charges $4-$5 for a cup of joe. I can go to McDonald's and get a cup of joe for $1. You can't do that with gasoline and diesel. With so few companies in control of our nation's energy resourses, they keep tight control on prices. You will rarely see prices that are more than just a few cents difference between stations in any given locality. You can't just drive down the street and find a gas station selling gas at 30-40% cheaper than the other stations. I just doesn't happen. Also, coffee priced 5 times higher than other places doesn't put our national security in jeapordy. Unecessarily high energy prices do. Our economy relies on affordable energy. Without it our economy ceases to function.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 8:46:13 AM

When are you going to realize that you can't believe anything a crook says, and oil companies are definitely crooks.
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EvPv
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 10:51:38 PM

if a donut coffee chain charged more for coffee due to a claimed shortage, there would be no investigation, but a see people who de[end more on the cup of morning joe than their car. (not saying this has happened just pointing out that a business can charge what they want for their products.
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 9:45:55 PM

The solution is simple and obvious: increase petroleum production at the source. We have more petroleum in North America than in the Middle East.

Let's use it!

Except our President (along with shrewd insiders and eco-idealogues) are anti-hydrocarbon.

I think he wants to put wind turbines on the roofs of cars, so when you move forward you can generate the electricity to power it. (Just kidding. I know --and obey!-- the Law of Conservation of Energy.)
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grampi47
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 3:39:06 PM

"another investigation that will find out nothing and waste tax payer's money causing the government to raise taxes on gas to make up the difference... ironic."

When the gov says they're going to do an investigation on prices it's nothing but a dog and pony show. They have to act like they're on top of any possible wrong doing, but the fact is they will NEVER do anything to the oil industry no matter how bad they gouge consumers. Look at all the money the industry generates in tax dollars...whose side do you think they're on?
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grampi47
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 10:35:30 AM

Any excuse will be used to keep prices as high as possible...whether they're true or not! The oil industry is not going to allow prices to come down to a reasonable level...

[Edited by: grampi47 at 12/21/2012 10:36:50 AM EST]
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hornet17
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 10:23:50 AM

another investigation that will find out nothing and waste tax payer's money causing the government to raise taxes on gas to make up the difference... ironic.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 10:12:05 AM

The truth always hurts.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 10:04:13 AM

Interesting comments -- does this mean we now have to keep tabs on refineries in our areas?
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 8:08:02 AM

they needed an excuse to raise the price
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 10:49:41 AM

Anyone here a Petroleum Engineer? A chemist, a refinery operations expert?

I work in the industry and freely admit I have a limited knowledge of refinery operations but work with experts in the field. I am amazed every day with the complexity of refineries and their operations. Refineries can have individual units go down and be unable to make certain products. However there are many operations that can continue at a refinery even though they are unable to make finished gasoline and diesel products for sale. Know what VGO is and how it's used in making gasoline? How about a hydro cracker, a hydrogeneration facility? Did you know that many refineries and chemical plants have co generation facilities? Do you know what a co generation facility does?

Well basically a cogeneration facility makes both steam for refinery processes and electricity for the plant. It burns some stream of the crude coming into the plant to heat the water into steam and the stream to power turbines to generate electricity. So even though a plant cannot make gas it might still need to run to make electricity for the plant. Some basic processes can still be done with units down where they do first level crude seperation and put the results into tanks for more processing at a later time. Hydro operations are needed to create hydrogen because it is a major component in make the Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel that is now required due to federal regulations. There are a ton of operations that can go on at a refinery even though it does not have the ability to make finished products for consumers.

Therefore the idea that units were operating and smoke was coming out of stacks at the refinery is meaningless. When a refinery encounters problems in making fuel it does not mean that is shuts everything down and walks away.

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wshokie12
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:47:04 AM

okay
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 12:07:53 PM

Yes, just what we need. Another investigation.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 8:52:16 AM

Even more reason to push forward with eliminating this energy source from our system
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 8:37:07 PM

So, we lied. So what? Want to make something out of it? We're winding down the Afghan fiasco and could use another war soon. I hear you have some oil up there!
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 12:05:40 PM

.. Pres. Obama ordered a major investigation of oil companies back last spring... prolly what drove the prices lower this fall... the oil companies are getting scared... another oil platform blowing up in the Gulf of Mexico this week won't allay their fears any... we're still waiting for the full $40Billion in reparations that BP agreed to via Pres. Obama over the last platform spill... (BP runs ads claiming to be the biggest 'investor' in USA... wonder why... LOL!)
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:29:35 AM

I don't know if we can ever get accurate and honest information on this stuff.

I remember during the oil embargoes of the Carter Years." OPEC had just been organized and was driving up the price of petroleum. There were rumors of tankers anchored offshore, waiting for the price to go further up. Other people countered and claied that they were just waiting for available piers at the storage facilities, and that their oil price(s) was already contracted.

Who knows?

The only thing I know we can count on is that Obama and Steven Chu will continue to funnel tax dollars into "sustainable" energy. What doesn't get sustained is the economy--and your family budget!

*Looking forward to Years 8-12 of the Carter Presidency.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:16:00 AM

These people completely do anything they want, when they want.
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forresj
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:48:12 AM

The government is just now seeing what's happening?
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