wymi
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 2:50:48 PM
Phillips 66 gas makes all our cars crank longer to start. Never have that issue with BP or Road Ranger gas. All our cars start and run the best on Road Ranger gas.
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chuckl95453
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:40:28 PM
no Phillips 66 around here. Just Shell.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:24:35 PM
Both Shell and Conoco/Phillips 66 are Top Tier gas brands and I would buy either one without reservation. If it's Top Tier, it's trustworthy.
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f250jbh
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 11:07:08 AM
I get good mileage with SHELL. IF you go inside and buy the 25-50-100 dollar card and use it at the pump Shell gives you .05 off per gallon .....
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geno700
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 10:12:10 AM
no difference
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weddy11
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 9:46:51 AM
the cheapest. Both are supposed to be top tier gas.
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 7:05:45 AM
cheapest
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nickless
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 3:09:52 AM
The cheapest
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dongo50
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 2:07:30 AM
neither.
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redx590
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 12:53:34 AM
shell
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valby
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 12:17:22 AM
Mobil
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pawnkingfour
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 10:30:58 PM
Chevron.
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jcpatriots
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 10:27:32 PM
Got no choice here between Phillips 66 and Shell, seeing as there's only two Phillips 66 stations that I know of IN THE STATE and they're 45+ miles away. So Shell for me in a landslide.
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thirty8paces
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 9:48:26 PM
Cheapest is best.
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zachlCA
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 9:42:07 PM
shell
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GBMAX
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 3:11:17 PM
Shell
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jrfan6767
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 2:01:21 PM
which ever is cheaper
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jack4141
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 1:41:37 PM
Don't like shell.....gotta go with Phillips 66.
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 12:32:49 PM
shell
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 10:40:20 AM
There is a difference in fuels and the difference is based on the additives used. Shell, Chevron, Exxon, and Phillips 66 all invest heavily in research for additives. The real key to any issues around the quality of the gas sold is how stringent is the testing program of the companies to be sure you are getting fuel that has been properly additzed. The problem is Shell, Exxon, and Chevron have very aggresive programs to routinely check stations fuel to make sure it is theirs and properly blended. There are secret inert ingridients that are put in each brand and very few people know what that is. I work for a majoe oil company in the retail division and cannot tell you what our marker is. If we run out of additive at a terminal, we stop selling product and loading trucks till we resupply the additive. Other majors do as well. The one exception is P66. When they run out of their Top Tier additive they allow the generic, basic additive to be added to their fuel so you are buying the same quality you get at any other non branded station.
So while Phillips 66 is a top tier fuel when proprly additized you cannot always be sure that is what you are getting.
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panj
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2013 2:31:23 PM
shell there are no Phil66 here
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 12:15:17 PM
In my area it would have to be Shell. We do not have a Phillips 66. Shell is also a Top Tier station. regardless of who delivers the fuel to the Shell station the additives still have to make it Shell gasoline, as long as Shell's name is on the signs.
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davisadm
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 12:01:26 PM
Has to be Shell, because Phillips is no longer here
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Greenrancher
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 12:46:26 AM
Shell. No Phillips 66 stations around here.
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giwan
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 11:45:41 PM
difference?
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Saab93turbo
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 9:53:21 PM
Phillips 66 gas is fine. It is a Top Tier gas. To me that means that it is not junk and meets a slightly higher standard but non-Top Tier gas can be good, too.
Phillips 66 is one of the brands of Conoco Phillips, which also sells Conoco and 76.
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streetirsx
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 6:39:47 PM
shell
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gvan
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 4:48:42 PM
"You're in Chicago, do you shop at Jewel? You can get a discount at Shell through their purchase tracking card... "
Yes, an excellent program if you want to pay $55 for $50 of groceries to save $2.00 at Shell.
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coldwater282
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 1:03:57 AM
Same logos on my credit card. Same company?
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JoeKing
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 12:17:59 AM
shell
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paullypuiu
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 10:02:15 PM
Shell
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pacecar68
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 9:40:22 PM
it's all the same.
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stlhawk
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 9:34:15 PM
Shell for me
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2Tall
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 2:38:38 AM
shell
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EvPv
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:54:23 PM
to transport and deliver fuel that is NOT from that comapany's formula takes a risk no fuel distributor would probably be willing to take.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:14:03 PM
On Dec 1, 2012 6:44:28 AM, MertieMan wrote:
>If you think the additives are different in so called different brands of gas,
>talk to the average semi driver that delivers it. They are all the same and
>advertised to make you believe that they all have different additives.
I would take the word of the oil companies over the "average semi driver." FWIW, HeavyDuty_cache's "average semi driver" says different than you do. Chevron uses measures against product substitution so that they know that Chevron stations are selling gasoline with their additive package.
It may be the case where you are that many of the brands use the same underlying additive package, because the intellectual property for gasoline additives is owned by only a few specialty chemical producers. But in Houston, they have enough service stations that many of the brands have dedicated logistics with semis emblazoned with their brand names. I've never seen a Shell tanker refuel anything other than a Shell. I've never seen a tanker emblazoned with the Exxon Tiger on one end and the Mobil Pegasus on the other end refuel anything other than an Exxon or a Mobil.
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paullypuiu
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:47:18 PM
SHELL
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:40:44 PM
On Feb 18, 2013 5:09:59 PM, PithyOpiner wrote:
>Phillips 66 is trustworthy. It used to be known as Phillips 666
>but some church people took offense.
Regarding the name of Phillips 66: the "66" was added to their name because a test gasoline made a car go 66 miles an hour, which was quite an accomplishment when the company was established. If the car went 666 miles an hour, the church people would say that car went like a bat out of Hell!
[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 2/18/2013 10:42:19 PM EST]
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:35:53 PM
I'm an investor in both Phillips 66 and Royal Dutch Shell. I buy whichever one is cheaper: usually Shell (with their Kroger PLUS card discount), but sometimes Conoco (which is now a brand owned by Phillips 66) or Phillips 66 have a lower price. On Royal Dutch Shell, I bought the Class B stock so I don't have to deal with the Netherlands withholding tax collected on the Class A stock. That way I can skip a few questions on Turbo Tax and have all my dividend go into my investment account. There's a tax treaty that US investors get a refund of the Netherlands withholding taxes they pay, and vice-versa, so when I file my US income tax I get the foreign withholding taxes back. Most countries I know collect withholding taxes from stock dividends. The only ones that I know of that don't are the US, the UK, Australia, and South Africa.
I will say that (so far) Phillips 66 has shown the better investment return. I went out and bought some Phillips 66 stock and some Royal Dutch Shell Class B stock on the same day. My Phillips 66 is up 9.31% as of today, while my Royal Dutch Shell Class B is down 9.88% over the same time period.
However, Royal Dutch Shell Class B whomps Phillips 66 when it comes to dividend payout. Phillips 66 has a dividend yield of 1.95% per year. Royal Dutch Shell Class B has a dividend pay out of 5.13% per year. Phillips 66 only does oil transportation, refining, marking, and petrochemicals. Royal Dutch Shell is an integrated oil, what that means is they also do crude oil exploration and production. Most of the money made in the oil business is in crude oil exploration and production.
Of course, previous performance is no guarantee of future results.
[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 2/18/2013 10:36:56 PM EST]
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HeavyDuty_cache
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:12:36 PM
It doesn't matter who transports the gas, the oil companies additional additives at the depot.
There is a minimum additive amount required by law, a tanker driver told me that it the additional additives are added to his tanker at the gas depot.
[Edited by: HeavyDuty_cache at 2/18/2013 10:15:40 PM EST]
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:09:59 PM
Phillips 66 is trustworthy. It used to be known as Phillips 666 but some church people took offense.
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cogas1
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 6:58:38 AM
I'd go with Phillips 66 because it is consistently cheaper than shell. There is no difference in quality amongst the two.
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slowrideIL
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 5:11:20 PM
You're in Chicago, do you shop at Jewel? You can get a discount at Shell through their purchase tracking card...
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2amy
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 5:02:39 PM
I'd go with Phillips.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 4:57:18 PM
On Feb 11, 2013 11:50:06 PM, EvPv wrote:
>from reading the posts: does this mean that Shell does NOT have nitrogen in it?
Since all gasolines contain some amount of detergent by law, most gasoline detergents are polyether amines, and amines by definition contain nitrogen, I would assume that most if not all gasolines contain nitrogen. However, I am NOT a Petroleum Engineer. (One of the engineering societies I belong to will not let you be "retired" at 57, so the closest thing I can find is "unemployed." So, they periodically send me flyers from universities wanting to retrain me as a Petroleum Engineer.) However, only Chevron and Shell come out and mention nitrogen explicitly in their marketing materials.
I would also wager that the "gas is gas" fanboys aren't petroleum or vehicle engineers, at least if they are they don't say it in their profile. There are quantifiable differences between LAC gasoline (gasoline with the lowest legal additive concentration) and Top Tier. LAC gasoline can score 100 on the BMW input valve deposition test, while Top Tier Gas scores 50. (Lower scores are better scores.)
Government Motors is the major corporate sponsor of the Top Tier Gas program, while Ford usually won't endorse anything that GM sponsors. So, Ford recommends gas that meets the requirements of the World-Wide Fuel Charter. I went looking to find which gasolines met the World-Wide Fuel Charter and found that only Exxon said they did not. Everybody else talked about Top Tier Gas.
OK, then, I got my hands on the specs of Top Tier Gas and World-Wide Fuel Charter gas and compared them side by side. The main difference was the oxygenate they preferred. Top Tier Gas additives have to be compatible with E-10 (but I have bought E-0 gas from Top Tier Gas suppliers), while World-Wide Fuel Charter gasoline should be oxygenated with ethers. Gas in the USA is oxygenated with ethanol, thanks to the pull of the corn-state Congressmen and Senators.
Now, you've got gasoline that says they are going BEYOND Top Tier. Shell started it by saying they have 20% more detergent. Phillips 66 raised it one further by saying that their brands have 30% more detergent. The name brand gasolines have extensive programs to verify their franchised stations are indeed selling their branded product and not the LAC "gas is gas" that fanboys would have you believe.
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jack4141
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:02:51 AM
Phillips 66 better than shell.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:01:07 AM
gas is gas
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 5:17:09 AM
It doesn't matter because it is all the same gas, no matter the so called brand name.
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EvPv
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 12:50:06 AM
from reading the posts: does this mean that Shell does NOT have nitrogen in it? I have run into many people who swear their vehicles run smoother using Shell.
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rex0000
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 9:01:31 PM
shell
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