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PCollen

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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2014 8:16:42 AM

Yesterday, someone posted 3.52 as the price of Regular at two gas stations opposite one another in my neighborhood when, in fact, they both have been 3.59 the past few days both morning and evening. And I'm sure that neither drops down to 3.52 just for this particular person.
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MBAcura
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:26:49 PM

Thanks PD! You are very kind to do this.

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PD
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 11:24:54 AM

Inbox me the usernames (all of you) and I can try to look into it.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2014 4:39:05 AM

eptraveler,
The only way to correct a wrong price is to post the correct price over it, with a later time stamp than the wrong price so the new correct price will take over the wrong price.

As you have noticed, there is no method to see the previous price so if you did not memorize the old price and you have not driven by that station to see the prices there isn't much you can do. Hopefully another member will come along and see and post the correct price, or the wrong price will get old enough that it will drop off by itself.

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eptraveler
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 2:48:07 PM

Today I posted 4 incorrect prices. I obviously was in the wrong set of boxes in my favorites list. I went back and posted the prices to the correct station, but the question is, is there any way to go back and correct the incorrect prices I posted? Once I have posted prices, there is no way to see what they were before I posted.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 8:50:47 AM

The backlog must be pretty great, but hopefully something will come through soon.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 9:50:17 PM

Between myself and one other user we have not one, not two, not three but FOUR photographically documented times where bgfister posted bogus prices. We took photos of the price boards before they posted...and uploaded them to this site before she posted...then shortly afterwards we took photos of the priceboards again...notified the mods....who have done nothing....

I mean why should I post real ones when I can sit at home and post them without ever seeing the stations...??????
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 9:47:42 PM

Another one sent to the mods

Also be advised at the Speed Limit she posted 3.95 for Premium, the price is 3.93 and has been for several days.

http://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/Speed_Limit_Gas_Stations/Winston-Salem_-_SW/13700/index.aspx

3.43
Regular
1h ago
bgfistler

3.73
Midgrade
1h ago
bgfistler

3.95
Premium
1h ago
bgfistler

3.75
Diesel
1h ago
bgfistler
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Champion Author Orlando

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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:16:05 PM

The Mods need to take a more proactive approach to this. These false postings are watering down the integrity of the site. A site with worthless data and lots of users soon becomes a site with no users.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:24:45 PM

FYI...between myself and other users we have caught bgfistler posting incorrect prices at least five of the last six days. Nothing back from the mods.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:23:54 PM

Sent the following notes to the mods about bgfistler posting over my prices...

From Me to GB Moderator
9:20 PM
Earlier I sent an e-mail about bgfistler posting over my prices, and skipping stations where other people had posted since I did. Tonight I drove by the Speed Limit stationhttp://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/Speed_Limit_Gas_Stations/Winston-Salem_-_SW/13700/index.aspx

I have uploaded a picture of the priceboard. The PREMIUM price had changed...I posted ONLY the regular price and lo and behold a short time after I posted prices at that station and others bgfistler posted over my prices...BUT at the Speed Limit she posted ONLY the regular price. I have just driven by the station and the prices are the same, I am now going to post only the Regular and the PLUS prices and we'll see what happens.


From Me
9:22 PM
Also interesting to note at the Giant Station

http://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/Giant_Gas_Stations/Winston-Salem_-_SW/18947/index.aspx

For the past two days I have posted only the Regular and the PLUS prices and those are the only prices bgfistler posted.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 1:47:25 PM

Oh just now (don't know why I didn't think of it before) I called Campus Gas and the guy there said the price changed before 10am (when he got into work). So it was well before bgfistler posted their price. He thought it probably changed around 8:30-9:00 am.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 1:35:40 PM

This makes FOUR times at FIVE stations where we have PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence of bgfistler posting bad prices...not to mention all the other times people have reported them and additionally the spamming of prices they do...what else does it take?

This Category says "Talk Back To Us"...is anyone listening?

[Edited by: maddog57 at 7/30/2014 1:36:56 PM EST]
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 1:26:23 PM

Got her again....how many more of these need to be sent. Today at lunch I was driving by Campus Gas here in Winston-Salem.

http://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/Campus_Gas_And_Service_Gas_Stations/Winston-Salem_-_North/9247/index.aspx

I noticed the price had dropped from 3.39 to 3.34. However I couldn't post until I got to the restaurant where I noticed that bgfistler had posted the OLD price of 3.39. Please see the photograph I have uploaded to my account with a screen shot of the station. I have posted the correct price.

3.39
Campus Gas And Service
1231 Polo Rd & Rosedale Circle
Winston-Salem - North
bgfistler
8 minutes ago

What else does one need to do in order to get rid of a person who constantly posts incorrect prices?

Thank you.
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 12:17:40 PM

I've started sending in pictures, via links to a photobucket account. Screen caps of the App station page, showing what the price spammer had posted minutes before, and a picture of the station sign, showing the real price. Sent links to every Moderator I know.And I'll keep doing it, every single time. I'm a tenacious SOB.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:57:35 AM

Interesting pattern here. Now she did post correct prices because I went through this morning and posted at all the stations. All these stations are in a row..you go one you pretty much go by all of them (except the first which is a bit out of the way but still in a line).

Bgfistler this morning posted over all my postings in a pattern.

Giant
851 Silas Creek Pkwy & Buchanan St
Winston-Salem - South
brgistler
24 minutes agoMobil
225 S Broad St & Cotton St
Winston-Salem - Central
bgfistler
20 minutes agoShell
101 S Broad St & W First St
Winston-Salem - Central
bgfistler
19 minutes ago

Sunoco
110 S Broad St & W First St
Winston-Salem - Central
bgfistler
19 minutes ago

*****BP**** she didn't post at.

Gashopper
890 W Northwest Blvd & N Broad St
Winston-Salem - Central
bgfistler
18 minutes ago

Exxon
584 W Northwest Blvd & N Cherry St-University Pkwy
Winston-Salem - Central
bgfistler
17 minutes ago

Why didn't she post at the BP....because it was the only one where I wasn't the current poster...

BP
715 W Fifth St & N Broad St
Winston-Salem - Central
emshin
1 hour ago
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 8:45:10 AM

True.....but then again the mods could just delete the account.
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:45:59 AM

I just report it every single time it happens. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Maybe someone will see it and say 'Hey, what's going on here?'

Or perhaps they have been notified and the user is just ignoring the Mods.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 10:05:46 PM

More than just myself has reported this person and now we have not one but two issues with photographic evidence...what else do they need?
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rando991
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:12:49 PM

I reported 50hwy for actively, and I do mean actively posting over the higher credit only price with the lower cash only price...even though there are two different fields. Anyway, after about the 3rd or 4th report, 50hwy got a temporary ban. Let's hope that Gasbuddy will permanently ban anyone who comes off a tempo ban and resorts to the same behavior.

[Edited by: rando991 at 7/28/2014 1:13:34 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 11:00:56 AM

I see what you mean Maddog. I also saw some of the WB posts going back and forth with Big F, and Mad Fueler. I'll send you a note about that later.

I wonder how many price spamming reports it takes before the Mods will ban someone. I hope its not too many more.

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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 10:17:35 PM

They were caught again yesterday with photo evidence before and after. That was submitted by another person...we'll see if they listen more to that person than they do to me.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 8:29:05 AM

Yeah, I gotta believe that in the face of absolute evidence that someone is posting incorrect prices, that they haven't seen, TPTB would need to purge to data spoilers, but maybe click throughs are more important right now.

Makes me wonder if there is a potential sale or buyout of the site looming...

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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 11:35:05 AM

Still no responses from the mods...the person is still spamming prices.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 3:19:43 PM

Get this one.....the bgfistler posted prices all over stations I posted at....I took a short drive by two of them and posted prices (they hadn't changed)...well right after that bgfistler reposted the prices ONLY at those two stations. I waited an hour posted prices again...waiting to see if they repost over those stations.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 11:38:49 AM

maddog57 - I commend your tenacity. Sadly, this thread clearly demonstrates the indifference of TPTB to good data for the consumer.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 10:47:51 AM

They haven't done anything yet...she is spamming prices across town today.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 9:30:02 AM

Have you sent notes to the mods? Not that it will do any good but that's what they say they want done these days.
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larnbbm
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 8:25:48 AM

Have been posting about MinnyMouse posting diesel fuel prices at a station that does not sell any diesel fuel. They just posted again about the same station, same thing NO DIESEL FUEL!!!!! don't GASBUDDY listen.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 5:07:48 AM

Yeah Gas_Buddy that would have been nice but since that rarely happens, I wasn't expecting it.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 10:49:29 PM

Wouldn't it have been nice if the original poster, after two months, would have said if this was a one time incident or if the offenders have repeated false price posting or are accurately reporting prices? Even if it's just to provide perspective and follow-up since he thought it worth posting for everyone to see?
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 9:05:08 PM

I will...no word from them yet and the spammer just posted prices a short time ago so they are still at it.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 10:55:18 AM

maddog57,

That ought to do it. Have to agree that if it doesn't, then nothing probably will.

P.S. Keep reporting it every time...squeaky wheel approach.

[Edited by: RichWLIN at 7/24/2014 10:56:35 AM EST]
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 10:48:29 AM

OK if this doesn't get the mods attention nothing will. Two stations down the street from each other had changed prices this morning. I posted all the prices EXCEPT regular. However I took photos and quickly uploaded them to my account here. TWO HOURS later bgfistler posted the old prices. Since I work just down the road from the two stations I ran out and took new photos showing the same prices. I then posted the correct prices.

Open message to the mods.....what does it take to get a spammer booted off of here?

Anyone else have any suggestions?
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 3:24:38 PM

Another one....the price at the CITGO on Akron changed from 3.45 yesterday to 3.41 sometime this morning before 0800. It is still 3.41 as of a few minutes ago when I drove past it. However bgfistler posted the old price of 3.45

3.45
CITGO
3890 Glenn Ave & Akron Dr
Winston-Salem - NE
bgfistler
16 minutes ago http://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/CITGO_Gas_Stations/Winston-Salem_-_NE/26909/index.aspx

Another example of them price spamming......
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 11:59:29 AM

"I've reported this user over 20 times..."

I've reported one now for about 14 days running. Still no response, or change in activity.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 10:27:06 AM

>> I reported the SAME individual not once, not twice, but repeatedly. Even documented the price s/he posted, the actual price, the station ID number, and even the station's phone number to call to verify the price. <<

I've reported this user over 20 times...SINCE they were "warned" by the mods and they are still spamming away.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 7:43:24 AM

LowCountryAl, just because the prices were all posted at the same time does not mean they were all seen at the same time. Posting from the website allows posting many prices at the same time or within a short timeframe.

Granted, depending on the number of stations and how separated they were it might be unlikely the member visited them all and gathered the prices before posting them. You did the right thing by notifying the mods.
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LowCountryAl
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 3:18:50 AM

Last night, a relatively new member blanketed zip code 29910 with updates within a two minute window. To actually visit all of the stations in that time frame would require transport technology from the fictional NCC-1701. I've reported the event via private message to a GB_Moderator.

I'm tempted to post links to screen captures but that would publicly reveal the member's ID. Probably not a good idea to do so at this point. Best to let the mods deal with it.
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 7:50:00 PM

Ahhhh, haha ha ha ha hahaha...

I reported the SAME individual not once, not twice, but repeatedly. Even documented the price s/he posted, the actual price, the station ID number, and even the station's phone number to call to verify the price.

End result....

They're STILL posting bogus prices well over a year later.

-----

I remember way back when... when the weekly "drawing" was for a "prize" that had been donated - that is back in the Gas Buddy Stone Age, before even the first "gas card" drawing occurred.

Back "then", ALL the website management took an active part in policing the forums. One of the early cardinal sins, was posting single-number or single-character replies to quickly get through the 100-points for five message-posts. This was before the Recent News section had even climbed out of the primordial soup, back when "management" would post a "few" gas-related articles that [back then] might remain on the "Recent News" list for days.

Face it, Gas Buddy has gone the way of Gateway computers - its grown bigger than anyone initially envisioned. Just like Gateway's failure to "grow" its tech support to match its rate of growth resulted in it eventually being toppled from the top direct-to-consumer computer manufacturer, GB's now failing to "grow" its support staff at a rate that provides the level of moderator support most forums have.

And its this lack of "moderation", that has resulted in the multitude of problems with forum-posts and price-posting.

[Edited by: Martinman at 7/13/2014 7:51:46 PM EST]
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2014 10:44:12 AM

Caught the same user twice today. A station near me changed it's prices yesterday and they are still posting the old prices. Then on my way to work there was a station who changed it's prices yesterday. I updated all but the Premium price which I left alone, but the spammer posted all the prices...two days in a row now. Notes have been sent to the mods but so far no action.

*************************************

Another bogus price this station changed it's Premium Price to 3.94 over a day ago...but bgfistler continues to post the old price...why because they never see the station they post at....

http://www.winstonsalemgasprices.com/Shell_Gas_Stations/Winston-Salem_-_NE/33889/index.aspx

3.44
Regular
2m ago
bgfistler

3.64
Midgrade
2m ago
bgfistler

3.96
Premium
2m ago
bgfistler

3.87
Diesel
2m ago
bgfistler
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larnbbm
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2014 10:47:42 PM

Minny Mouse continually reports a station on 231 south, on Florida line, has $ 3.48 a gal diesel, Raceway station does not advertise nor sell diesel fuel, has done this several times.

[Edited by: larnbbm at 7/10/2014 10:49:01 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 9:21:01 PM

I would say someone who does this consistently is just posting for points. Bad form.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 3:09:05 PM

True...I have done that myself. But have you done it over several days in a row? Have you done it consistently over several months?
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lostsoul
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2014 10:06:13 AM

Some people make honest mistakes...I have posted the prices several times
and found out later I inputed data into the wrong station...when I did
realize it..went back and corrected it.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2014 10:23:41 AM

>> Why not implement "report abuse" type behavior that would query the reason the price was being zeroed, and allow the system to accumulate statistics about whose prices were being zeroed most frequently and allow the mods to focus on the real problem members? <<

That's a good thought except that the mods don't seem to care anymore about real prices being posted, all GB seems to think about is the number of hits on the website and/or mobile devices. JMHO...
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Browncoat1
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2014 9:35:04 AM

Actually I do not know if they used the app. But the station didn't have a diesel price, it had said "add fuel type" a few hours before. Yes, the idiot - er, person - could have used the website.
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2014 8:51:57 AM

Browncoat1 - How do you know the price was reported using an app?
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Browncoat1
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2014 9:37:52 AM

Boy, the "add fuel type" in the app really works great <--sarcasm intended.

THe Shell station near me has never had diesel, and the MSL reflects that. However, someone used the new version of the app to add diesel and post a price that didn't exist.

Good move GB. Good move.
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2014 11:41:08 AM

RichWLIN,

Yes, it's broken now, but I'm hoping it'll get "unbroken" sometime soon - or better yet, that they'll restore price zeroing by less difficult means that deletes the bogus price everywhere. (Of course, I'm not holding my breath waiting for the moment it happens either.) I posted the album primarily for Currency_Pro's benefit, or for any others who may have gotten lost in my earlier verbiage.

>> Me: This supposedly informs the mods at the same time it zeroes out the false price.

>> bytebug: Wrong. It enters a price record in the database that the mods can search for and see if they want to.

You're right - I re-read my note from the mods, and found out that I had inferred that rather than read it directly (darn!), so I guess I too will resume looking closely for habitual offenders in this regard and PM-ing the mods when it gets out of hand.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM

Since it's usually the same members posting bad prices this is a great idea bytebug.

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 6/30/2014 8:58:31 AM EST]
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