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busdrivered5

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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 8:21:17 PM

I like the new changes they are so much more accurate than the prior method
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ricebike
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2014 2:40:40 PM

I'm glad my state forced the stations to have their prices on big signs that are easily viewed as you drive by...
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:23:20 PM

Uncle.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 8:48:29 PM

RichWLIN:

"Is it really your assumption that all members here buy their gas at the same time "once or twice a week"? Or is it reasonable to assume that we all buy gas at different times when we need to?"

If I remember correctly (without checking past polls), I believe that most people said they buy fuel once a week or every other week.

Obviously I think that prices posted while at the pump are more accurate, but (if I understood previous posts correctly) I was simply saying that I don't see Gas Buddy members driving to gas stations as a prerequisite to posting fuel prices. It's an unreasonable expectation that they'll drive onto the grounds and check the pump if they're not stopping to get fuel. As long as prices are visible from the street (without having to drive to the pump to see prices), they'll post from what they see during a drive-by. It's already a concern that people post prices they don't see in any way, unless prices were identified with an accompany photo, status seekers even if you "required" prices be seen at the pump, the points-whores and many of the pp award seekers would still post from what they see from the street.

Am am I misunderstanding what was discussed earlier? (And if I am, I apologize for going in a wrong discussion direction.)

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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 6:59:14 PM

No telling what turns on the awards chasers.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 5:50:04 PM

Rich - I wonder if the gamers would post that they posted at the pump to get that "special" color on their posts?

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 6:39:59 AM

"Sometime back, I thought about framing the suggestion of identifying price reports as a function of where they were observed, either at the pump or on the street."

Why? What would the benefit be?
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 1:37:46 AM

Gas_Buddy said: "Strictly from the perspective of a gas price poster who's driving when prices are spotted, very few gas prices are posted while seeing the price on the pump."

You don't seem to have given this as much thought as you have keyboard time.

Is it really your assumption that all members here buy their gas at the same time "once or twice a week"? Or is it reasonable to assume that we all buy gas at different times when we need to? Doesn't buying gas require visiting the pump, and can't we observe the correct credit and or cash prices for all of the grades of fuel sold at that location while we're at it? Isn't this how it should be?

This suggestion began while discussing an example of dual price station reporting, but it would be equally effective applied to reporting at all stations.

I am not implying that prices reported by observations from signage aren't the most prevalent, or that anyone make a special trip to locate prices at the pump. In fact, I suggested that the prices from road or curb signage remain the default mode and that a separate color, flag or other means of identification be made for prices reported by members making observations directly from the pump.

Gas_Buddy also says: "While the price at the pump may be more absolute, more accurate, I doubt that many members will take the time or effort to do that, and the chances that the two prices (at the pump versus on the sign) differ is absolutely minimal."

So the first part of what you're saying is that a simple selection that identifies that the prices I am reporting have occurred while I am at the pump is just too much to ask of GasBuddy members?

I have to disagree and believe that many members would welcome the opportunity to help ensure that GasBuddy prices are even marginally more accurate.

The rest of that paragraph suggests that people don't see different prices at the pump than at the curb. Obviously, this isn't always the case as the example that SUVFan made demonstrates. And frankly, many other folks are reporting seeing different prices on the street than at the pump whether this is a signicant problem nationwide or not. In any case, this is irrelevant to the suggestion I'm trying to make.

Personally, I'd be much more likely to have faith in prices that were identified as having been reported by members physically at the pump; certainly more than I am of all of the drive by price cloners and fabricated price reporters who just fill in all of the blank grades after only seeing part of them on the road signage.

Various kinds of fraudulent or inaccurate price reporting are typical in many high traffic areas. When I see all fields filled in for a station that displays only one or two prices on the road, I'd like to see that the reporter made an extra effort to let others know how he observed all of the prices at the pump.

This suggestion would tend to improve the reliability of reported prices with very minimal effort during every visit to the gas station.

RG
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 7:48:46 PM

"Sometime back, I thought about framing the suggestion of identifying price reports as a function of where they were observed, either at the pump or on the street."

Strictly from the perspective of a gas price poster who's driving when prices are spotted, very few gas prices are posted while seeing the price on the pump. The only time I post prices "at the pump" is when I fill up, and the average person only fills up once or twice a week or less. I don't see any significant number of members who will take the time to drive into a station to look at the price on the pump (versus seeing the price on the sign); it takes time and effort, and may mean waiting behind a vehicle filling up, and, after pulling up to the pump and seeing the price, driving off. While the price at the pump may be more absolute, more accurate, I doubt that many members will take the time or effort to do that, and the chances that the two prices (at the pump versus on the sign) differ is absolutely minimal.

Maybe I'm jaded because in my driving areas, the signs I'm routinely seeing clearly indicates it's a cash price (if there's a price difference). I haven't seen, that I can remember in a long time, any deceptive "cash price" signs displayed behind an obstruction, or in such small lettering that it can't be seen relatively easily.


[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 7/30/2014 7:51:50 PM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:02:03 PM

We could use purple for at the pump and Salmon for at the sign ;-P

"However, I have come to the realization that we've really only been talking among ourselves."

Even more so than usual...though they did bop in to move CK's TEST topic...
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 4:41:23 PM

Our problem is that the few cash/credit stations we have usually put the credit price in green....and many people post the cash price as regular and the credit price as diesel. *sigh*.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 4:16:31 PM

Sometime back, I thought about framing the suggestion of identifying price reports as a function of where they were observed, either at the pump or on the street.

However, I have come to the realization that we've really only been talking among ourselves.

RG

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:23:05 PM

Not bad Rich - it has potential.

Currently, the Dual Priced stations around me are very suspect.

There are a few stations that were always reported several times a day that seem now to go for days w/out being reported.

There are others that are showing the same price in both cash and credit.

And, there is one where someone updated the REG Cash price (only one on the sign easily visible from the street). The price was 2 cents higher than the day old credit price. This resulted in the cash/credit flag being removed. I suspect that when someone got there seeing the cash price on the main board would be disappointed to find that the credit that had not yet been updated was higher as well.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 9:21:09 AM

SUVFan asked: "My question is for stations with that set up (a prominent sign for credit prices and an extremely obscure one for cash), should we be posting both sets of prices under whatever formal posting guidance we've received from TPTB?"

The short answer is no. If the price for cash is not known, it should not be reported. In the cases where only credit pricing is displayed on road signage, only the credit field should be completed. The same is true of stations that display only cash at the curb. If the credit price is not evident, then no price should be reported.

There are numerous problems with this, that have been and are being hashed over in various topics. Travelers may not be aware of whether the prominently advertised price is for a cash or credit purchase. Someone passing through this part of the Midwest might assume that the price they see on the Swifty road signage is handled the same way as in their home state, and this may not be so. The same is true of members traveling from these parts to other places where cash/credit signage is handled differently.

Corrections made by locals who are privy to the dual priced station policies are the only certain way to keep prices accurate (most of the time) since obviously this can be frustrated by mobile reporters posting prices without understanding how the street advertising is being accomplished.

One possible solution for a part of these issues would be to include an indication that the price being reported was observed at the pump for example: (green "P") or from the road (red "R") This won't resolve the issue of presumption of cash/credit road signage pricing by mobile reporters, but it may alleviate some of the unknowns for members who are searching for the least expensive fuel.

Prices reported at the pump are likely to be more accurate than those input by members passing by. Perhaps, the default indication should be a (red "R") and the (green "P") designed as an overt selection made by the reporter when entering prices at the pump.

Default prices made without entering the dual priced station would tend to be suspect, while those reported by members at the pump should be much more reliable since they have been made by observing both the road signage and the prices within.

Obviously, this doesn't answer all of the concerns about cash/credit price reporting but it may be a first step toward promoting more accurate price reporting at dual priced stations, and possibly even all stations.

RG



[Edited by: RichWLIN at 7/29/2014 9:25:51 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 7:04:14 PM

Additionally, I expected that around me, there would be the dual priced stations that mostly only get the cash price posted. What I find odd, is that several of these stations that were report at least 1x per day or more, are now not being reported. They used to be reported off their cash signs that had either Regular, or Regular and Diesel and sometimes all grades posted when someone was actually either filling up or visiting the CS.

So, I made a separate FSL with most of the Dual Priced stations from my FSL (except one that I keep because I used to report it) and added others from the site to a FSL devoted to Dual Price stations.

Some are being reported for just what is on the sign (cash - reg, or reg/deisel).

Some are correctly showing cash and credit prices by one person.

Some are correctly showing cash and credit prices by a combo of folks with different time stamps.

Some are rarely getting reported now that they are marked as dual priced.

But, I am finding several that are being reported for both prices at the same price.

And, one where the new CASH price was higher than the old "Credit" price. This was at a station that had been showing both cash and credit at the same value. In this scenario, the dual price flag disappeared from one view vs other views --- sorry, would have to check the other thread as I don't remember right now where it disappeared.

I suspect we have some rogue posters, but also suspect maybe some anomalies from those with the older devices. I am looking for someone that was NOT able to upgrade to the new cash/credit version on the APP to report a dual priced station as they always have and check to see how it comes up on the website and have someone with the current app check to see how it appears.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 6:49:44 PM

SUVfan - "
My question is for stations with that set up (a prominent sign for credit prices and an extremely obscure one for cash), should we be posting both sets of prices under whatever formal posting guidance we've received from TPTB? "

This is one of the problems I predicted when cash credit was being discussed and suggested that they start with just a "buyer beware" flag and got a feeling from those in the field before trying to figure out how to handle all the variances of pricing and not just assume that most areas post both cash and credit at the curb, or even a clear indication of the pricing.

In some areas, they post both (by custom or by regulation) and in others they post the cash and maybe a hang tag indicating that it is a cash discount (often due to local/regional regulations or customs), then there are areas where they are mandated to post the higher price if not posting both, and probably many other flavors.

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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 4:00:52 PM

The OP is from two weeks ago, ziyulu.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 3:58:01 PM

It's coming? I thought it was already here?
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 3:13:18 PM

SUVFan,

We have Swifty stations in Indiana too, and we used to have a lot more of them around here until recently when many are being sold off to other brands.

I understand your concern about the credit price posted at the curb with the less obvious cash price on the pump. In fact, in this area of the state, there were a couple of them that did not display the correct cash price at the pump until you paid the attendant and he reset the pump. Just driving in and looking at the price on the pump was of no use at these particular stations.

Most people reporting prices locally knew that the 3-cent difference for cash purchases was a constant, and had been for several years, so they would observe the credit price at the curb and adjust the cash figure accordingly. Some people reported the same price for cash as the credit for some reason?

To answer your question, I would suggest that if you don't know what the cash price is, the cash posting protocol should be superseded and it should not be reported at all. Of course this leaves only the credit price displayed; however, it is clearly marked as such.

RG

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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:56:29 PM

There may be a better topic than this one for this observation/question. If so, please link to it and I'll cross post. This is the best thread I found scrolling through.

I just accessed an fsl I rarely use, and saw they way they have dual inputs for stations offering both cash & credit prices. The station was a Swifty that I know to offer a cash price, but also recall that they have a curb sign that states only the credit price. and a very small sign near the pumps that informs of a few cents discount for cash. The actual cash price is stated only on the readout on the pump. You'd need way better than 20/20 vision to see anything about the cash pricing from the street, even if you knew it was there.

For purposes of responding to this post, please accept the last paragraph as given facts. Sometimes I've seen regulars quibble about the accuracy of observations, but that's not what this post is about.

My question is for stations with that set up (a prominent sign for credit prices and an extremely obscure one for cash), should we be posting both sets of prices under whatever formal posting guidance we've received from TPTB?
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 8:43:52 PM

So far I am finding just the opposite regarding accuracy.
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