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Gas_Buddy

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Message Posted: May 10, 2014 2:56:20 PM

I'd like to congratulate two of the most recent Gas Card winners.

First, congratulations to billynderek, a New York Gas Buddy member who won the May 9 drawing on the day he/she joined Gas Buddy, and has 1,000 points.

Second, congratulations to djmeuleman, a Boston Gas Buddy member who won the May 3 drawing on the day he/she joined Gas buddy, and has 1,200 points.

May 2014 is looking to be an interesting and exciting month for new members, whose contributions are appreciated by their fellow New York and Boston members, helping them be more knowledge shoppers at the gas pumps.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2015 1:05:21 AM

Can we get back to topic?
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Bills_Fan
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 10:14:40 PM

"To do anything other than something that earns points, a member must earn 10,000 points and be active (earn points) for 90 consecutive days. Once this is achieved, the members will have full access (MSL, enter drawings, post on white boards, etc.) to the entire site."

So no forum posts after the first 5 of the day? No price entries after the first 5 of the day? No ability to write on whiteboards? No ability to use the trip cost calculator? No ability to use the fuel log? No ability to send messages? No ability to search for gas prices? That is crazy!
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 10:05:33 PM

I don't think consecutive is that important, but I'd be inclined to support a month or 35,000 points of participation.

What I'd be afraid this would result in is a bunch more bogus data being input just to get the points necessary to enter the contest.

I'd also like to reiterate an idea that I suggested ages ago: get rid of contest entries and reward prizes purely based on active participation. Again, this would likely encourage bogus prices, but that's probably a given as long as there is a contest.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 6:10:03 PM

Sorry, CelticHeart. I'm probably more inclined with 35,000 points as an icon.
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too_darned_high
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 6:08:49 PM

I'll agree that 90 consecutive days before participating in the gas card contest is a bit much. I was thinking more along the lines of perhaps 14 to 30 days as a good point to start. I should have said that in my earlier post, and didn't. I know life happens sometimes and a member may not be able to post a price or participate for points on a particular day. It's happened to me more than once. My thought was that if you become a member and then get into the habit of doing things on Gas Buddy, you'll be more likely to continue doing things on the site. As I said in my previous post, if a member wants to win gas cards, you should have to put in more effort than "wow, I just joined GB today and won gas cards, now I don't have to do a single thing anymore!" I'm not saying that a person has to wait X number of days before they can post or do anything on the site. That restriction goes ONLY for the gas card contest. I'm hoping this clears up any concerns on my other post. Again, it's just an idea for GB to consider as a way to eliminate the "instant winners."
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 6:04:04 PM

Seven days is all it takes to the first icon.

I don't see that this, as a prerequsite, is that difficult to implement.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 4:49:06 PM

I don't have a problem with a points minimum before being eligible to enter the drawing, though I'd probably say you should have an icon rather than 10,000 points. And yes, I understand that some people can earn 10,000 points in about a week whereas we've seen that it's taken some people several years before they earn 1,000 points (forgetting their having won the drawing); I don't know where or what the common sense "line" is. But it shouldn't be 90 consecutive days before you can participate in all the activities. It's unrealistic to expect people, even with cell phones, to think they need to be on Gas Buddy every day for three months so they can "be part of us". I don't care if a person participates every day, as many of us, or if a person participates on days they commute to work, or if all they do is participate on days they buy fuel. But suggesting that a person must devote 90 consecutive days just to post on a white board is inane. I would much rather see a minimum number of gas price posts (and no, I'm not going to suggest a number) than a minimum number of days.

Consider me as one agreeing the suggestion is crazy.
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buckeyecountry
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 10:36:24 AM

Not crazy at all. Makes perfect sense.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 7:13:31 AM

I posed this idea once and people thought I was crazy.

To do anything other than something that earns points, a member must earn 10,000 points and be active (earn points) for 90 consecutive days. Once this is achieved, the members will have full access (MSL, enter drawings, post on white boards, etc.) to the entire site.
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probedude2
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2015 12:22:42 AM

So, I guess that means I'm not getting a gas card anytime soon!
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too_darned_high
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 10:14:36 PM

scoutmaster's comment: There should be a 10,000 minimum to do anything but post prices, read news, post messages in the forums or invite-a-friend.
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I also agree with this notion of needing some sort of minimum before a member can be eligible to win gas cards, but I'm not sure that a "points" minimum is the right way to go. Let me explain my thoughts...by the time I've posted gas prices in my area, read the latest news blurbs and posted comments, I earn 1,225 points. If a member does those things over a total of 9 days (continuous or not), then that person will have 11,025 points (or 8 days with a new member earning 1,000 points by joining). By that notion, a person can join Gas Buddy, earn the 10,000 points in 8 days, win the gas card drawing, and never be heard from again. What if, instead of a "points" minimum, GB were to institute a "consecutive days" minimum? If members have to do at least SOMETHING on the site for a set number of days before they could enter, we'd stop seeing all of these 1-day members and 3-year-2000-point members winning gas cards. Basically, if you want to win, you'd have to WORK FOR IT like most of my fellow GB members do. I'm open to criticism and comment on this idea. Everyone has an opinion, and I'm offering mine. :)
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 8:36:32 PM

gax:

Great analogy.
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gax
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 4:50:56 PM

100 points gets wolf1959 and bobmroski $100 worth of gas.

Gee, wouldn't it be nice if I could win a dollar's worth of gas for every point I have earned on here? :)
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Bad_Petroleum
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 3:20:02 PM

scoutmaster said "There should be a 10,000 minimum to do anything but post prices, read news, post messages in the forums or invite-a-friend. "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I am 1000% with his idea. Fly by Nite posters looking for a quick $100.00 gas Card will never cut it, and soon enough the POSTERS that keep this Web Site alive and Well and MAKING money for their owners,will leave for GOOD and Gas Buddy Com will go down FASTER than the BP Gas Leak in the Gulf !!!!!

[Edited by: Bad_Petroleum at 1/30/2015 3:21:56 PM EST]
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Bad_Petroleum
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 2:46:25 PM

gax. Awesome dissertation on the subject at hand..

>>It has been almost exactly a year since bobmroski of Austin won on 1/29/14, the day he joined GB. He also had 100 points that day, and, showing amazing consistency, STILL has those same 100 points.

wolf1959 and bobmroski are now tied as the past winners with the fewest points at 100. Which one will break first and slip up and actually earn another point? <<
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Bad_Petroleum
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 2:29:58 PM

January 27, 2015
wolf1959

Total Points:100

Overall Rank: 0

Home Site: WinnipegGasPrices.com

$100 Prepaid Gas

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100 points and a winner ??????

What a RIP OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And a SLAP in the FACE of those that RELIGIOUSLY POST CORRECT Prices for >>>this Web Site To SURVIVE !!!!<<<

Something is definitely WRONG with this PICTURE Gas Buddy Com.


[Edited by: Bad_Petroleum at 1/30/2015 2:34:34 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 2:02:44 PM



bytebug:
Just wondering but, as TxJeans noted, the surveys were sent to "active members". Would you really consider someone who's only points came from joining Gas Buddy more than two years to be "active" enough to have received a survey?

I guess that you could say, "Well, they've been active" (if you consider just joining Gas Buddy to be "active") "in the last three years...", but I don't think that joining several years to constitute "being active." But then, all I'm doing is congratulating the gas card winners, thanking them for their past support of the website and contributions to help their fellow members, and note that I'm looking forward to even more contributions.

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bytebug
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 1:54:08 PM

Something I don't believe was mentioned is the possibility that wolf1959 may have responded to one of the recent emails offering bonus points for taking a poll? Could easily explain getting enough points for tickets that wouldn't show up in their public point total.

Oops, I do see that it was mentioned.

[Edited by: bytebug at 1/29/2015 1:55:21 PM EST]
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MustangEddie
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 6:23:50 AM

wolf1959 by far the biggest bs win ever pffft
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 9:45:54 PM

There should be a 10,000 minimum to do anything but post prices, read news, post messages in the forums or invite-a-friend.
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buckeyecountry
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 5:40:12 PM

100 points in almost 3 years? Again I like the 10,000 minimum to win.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 3:34:21 PM

tan1mill wrote:
"wolf1959 did nothing except become a member, which gives you 100 points and 1 free ticket."

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the free ticket program end a year or more ago? And wasn't the ticket automatically entered into that days' drawing (the day of joining Gas Buddy and earning the free ticket)?

As for having earned tickets by taking part in surveys for active members, maybe I'm being naive, but the survey went to someone who hasn't done anything, except join the program, in more than two years? That constitutes being active? And, granted I may not know about what surveys may have gone out recently, if this wasn't a recent survey, are you suggesting that this member took a survey weeks or months ago, and either finally got around to opening an e-mail saying "Here's a way to earn points and enter the drawing" or had the points sitting around for a couple of weeks or months and finally said to him/herself, "Wow! I' forgot I had these points. I better use them to try to win the gas card."?

Sorry, but if you told me the member, at this point in time (not years ago) had 1,000 points and won, I might have bit my tongue. But 100 points?

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 12:43:52 PM

Didn't they once say that the survey email (at least the first one last year), only go to active members? I wonder what constitutes "active"? Does anyone know at what amount of inactivity the "retire" your screen name? As I recall, it is a two step - first made inactive and eventually name put back in the "pool" of names that can be chosen by new-commers.

Maybe the surveys for points/tickets should not go to Facebook or members that have not had point earning in the last year (or maybe last 6 months)?
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gax
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 10:42:46 AM

It has been almost exactly a year since bobmroski of Austin won on 1/29/14, the day he joined GB. He also had 100 points that day, and, showing amazing consistency, STILL has those same 100 points.

wolf1959 and bobmroski are now tied as the past winners with the fewest points at 100. Which one will break first and slip up and actually earn another point?
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Tan1mill
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 9:55:30 AM

wolf1959 did nothing except become a member, which gives you 100 points and 1 free ticket. This user has done absolutely zero for the gas buddy community in almost 3 years, and won. I've said it before and I'll say it again...the drawing should be restricted to only those who have reached 10,000 points, just like the Master Station List.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 7:52:27 AM

"Not sure how a person can enter the gas card drawing, let alone win, with only 100 points, but obviously there's a way to do it. "

I would guess that wolf1959 participated in one or more of the surveys that awarded points usable for the drawings but did not show in the total points. Pure speculation mind you, but that is the one way I thought of that it could have transpired.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 7:11:40 AM

The January 2015 winners have an average of 304,334 points. 5 are under 10,000 point and 2 over 1,000,000 points.

The average GB age of the January 2015 winners in 2 years 10 days. There youngest winner is 8 days old) and the oldest winner is 10 year 264 days old.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 12:23:16 AM

And we now have a special winner. Congratulations to wolf1959, a member who of less than three years who won the gas card drawing for January 27 with 100 points to his or her credit. Not sure how a person can enter the gas card drawing, let alone win, with only 100 points, but obviously there's a way to do it.

I'm confident that wolf1959 will continue to maintain the contributions to Gas Buddy that have taken place since joining Gas Buddy in April 2012. For that matter, there may be even more contributions than there have been in the past.

Imagine. Earning 100 points in less than three years and winning the gas card drawing. Hopefully this will serve as an inspiration to those of you who haven't yet won the gas card drawing.



[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 1/28/2015 12:24:28 AM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 1:54:48 PM

Congratulations to the newest Gas Card winner, clsully, who since joining January 20, already has 2,400 points and now has $100 worth of gas cards, joining other recent winners , Fortmyersbeach with who already has 1,600 points (up from 1,000 points wbhen winning the gas card on January 19, the day after joining Gas Buddy, Cierra722 who already has 1,000 points since joining and winning the gas cards on January 15, and InnaHurry who won on January 11 and already has 3,255 points in little more than a year of membership.

Way to go people. As for all of the other people who keep entering the drawing......hang in there. You know the odds favor those who keep contributing and build up points to enter the daily drawing regularly.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2015 4:44:57 PM

Gas_Buddy,

I suppose that it is possible that (6) random winners would all prefer not to be buddies with anyone and further that all (6) would simply ignore the request rather than rejecting it. This just doesn't feel right though.

Maybe someone else could send buddy requests to the last (12) obviously newbie winners and report back here with their results. Hopefully, they will have better results than I did.

Again, if the intention is to encourage member participation after the reward, some form of communication other than this topic is surely necessary.



[Edited by: RichWLIN at 1/22/2015 4:45:37 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 6:52:45 PM


RichWLIN:

You're pretty much insightfully reading between the lines. It would be nice if we knew Gas Buddy management was "encouraging" winners, especially low point and first day winners" to be more actively involved in Gas Buddy activities, specifically in posting gas prices to help other members and viewers, even I realize that winners can't be forced to take part in any Gas Buddy activities or to post prices.

The best I've done, and people can read between the lines all they want (not, in the same way you've done, because "direct communication" makes sense), but all I've done is acknowledge low point and new members and encouraged them, should they decide to read the discussion (which is why I titled this thread explicitly) to take part in more than just entering the drawing. I can't force people to read this thread. But I do give you credit for trying to contact recent winners; just that I doubt many people simply accept random "buddy requests". I know there are some people, as a side issue, that I can't make accept a buddy request so that we can talk "offline"; I'm sure others aren't aren't interested in your or my being their "buddy". But, maybe they'll read these congratulations and take them for what they're worth......just congratulations and hope for greater future participation.

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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 8:34:58 AM

Sometime back I sent buddy requests to six of the most current winners. I didn't receive a response from any of them and, in fact, the requests weren't rejected but rather never responded to at all.

If the intention really is to encourage recent new member winners to become active and participate as member Gas_Buddy suggests, then a more direct form of communication seems appropriate. If these winners are not seeing and responding one way or the other to their buddy requests, it seems even less likely that they will read messages here.

RG
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pilotmass
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 8:19:43 AM

Indeed an interesting discussion on day one winners.

I doubt that newbies have actually submitted their points to enter the prize drawing.

Would be interested in hearing from Gas Buddy on that point.
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shrub_light
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 1:29:06 AM

I love seeing these 1000 point winners. I come straight to this thread to check out the commentary.
Good stuff Gas Buddy.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 12:42:53 AM

Congratulations to the most recent winner, Fortmyersbeach. Unlike a recent winner who won the gas card drawing on the first day of membership, with 1,000 points, Fortmyersbeach won on January 19 after joining on January 18. Fortmyersbeach already has 1,000 points. They and a recent winner with a massive 6,220 points have won three of the five most recent drawings.

No conspiracy theories, no commentary, nothing except congratulations and, speaking for others, our sincere faith that they'll soon be involved in even more Gas Buddy activities, including fuel price posting to help their fellow members be more knowledgeable shoppers. Two out of the five most recent gas card winners, with 1,000 points each already in less than two days of membership. Amazing.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 11:29:19 AM

People who are inclined to believe in conspiracy theories probably have concluded that it's often the more opportunistic or greediest among us who are willing to put their finger on the scale to effect some end.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 1:20:19 AM

Note that I'm the one who suggested that Gas_Buddy was made a winner just to shut him up, and that was decidedly tongue-in-cheek.

> I've got to wonder if the way the drawing is conducted doesn't have a built in bias.

Given the problems they've had with rolling out updates to the web site, I'd be more inclined to put the blame on bad programming.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 9:28:29 PM

First things first. Congratulations to cierra722 who joined Gas Buddy, and with only 1,000 points for joining, apparently entered the drawing, elected to not do any other points earning activities, and through random chance, won the daily gas card drawing the first day of Gas Buddy membership. I'm certain that cierra722 will soon begin posting fuel prices to help his/her fellow Gas Buddy members be more knowledgeable shoppers, just as other several of the other members that have won on their first day of joining have done.

And thanks gax for noting how much those members have contributed to the website since winning the day they joined. (Personally I don't have the persistence to track issues as gax has done - and that's not with any sarcasm - I've got enough problems remembering to congratulate the low point gas card winners and note that we look forward to their future contributions to the website (which, for the most part, has apparently been minimal if that much).

That said, while I won in the daily drawing in September, I don't see that there's any conspiracy or any deliberate toning of the drawing towards new members, let alone first day members, nor do I see that any long time members (myself included) have been selected in order to defuse any conspiracy thoughts (note that that topic was started months before I won the drawing). that doesn't mean that I don't believe the odds of first day winners, and first week winners, isn't somewhat extraordinary. Granted that there are many new members joining daily, but it's hard to believe that the only thing that motivated them to join the web site is to get a screen name and the 1,000 points necessary to enter the drawing, and by utter coincidence, their one and only entry was selected. Or, that a multi-year or multi-many-month member with two possible ticket entries simply, a year or more later, was selected that one day of their entering the only one or two tickets they had. Could that happen? Of course, in part because the odds change daily depending on how many members, new and old, enter the drawing. It's not the same as entering the MegaMillions or Powerball drawing in which there are a fixed set of odds. But it simply seems that the odds, for the gas card drawing, are being beaten with some regularity. I've got to believe, at least from what I've done as a long time member who's entered the drawing on a regular basis (general X number of entries more or less on certain days of the week), that other long time members who've said they've got a lot of points "in the bank" do the same as me.

No, I don't think there's a conspiracy, but I've got to wonder if the way the drawing is conducted doesn't have a built in bias. And no, I'm not technically smart enough to know how it could be done. I leave that to others to try to figure out.

Just my two cents into the discussion.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 6:54:23 PM

So, your results don't surprise me. Consider that until the daily drawing started, a new member only had a 100 point bonus for joining and if they maxed out tell a friend that gave them 1300 more points for the drawing than anyone else could achieve.

That means that over the course of a week a new member could earn 8225 points the first week instead of 6925 - 8 vs 6 tickets. Today, a new member gets 1000 points for joining, plus 1200 tell a friend points so can earn 3425 per day instead of 1225 - 3 tickets instead of 1.

In other words, before the change a new member had 1.33 to 1 better odds of winning than an older member. Now, they have 3 to 1 better odds. That's significant, and it shows in the drawing results.

[Edited by: Byte_Doctor at 1/16/2015 6:55:04 PM EST]
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gax
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 5:04:02 PM

I have a database that, among other things, has tracked all the winners.

Since first having drawings in 2001, there never was a first day winner until 2014. But, in fairness, it should be pointed out that they didn't start having daily winners until 1/1/14. Between 2009 and 2013 there were weekly winners. Before that, it was just a few times a year, but there would be multiple winners on the days they had drawings. So, it would be harder to win on the day you joined when they had fewer drawings per year.

But there were only 4 people who won within the first week of joining between 2001 and 2013. There have been 11 people who won on their first day since 1/1/14.

Here are the 4 that won within a week of joining between 2001 and 2013:

Name....Joined....Date Won.....Points....GB Age.....Pts/day
trukerjay.....3/25/2009....3/29/2009.....3,600.....2123.....2
warlord1.....5/27/2010....5/30/2010....1,714,860.....1695.....1012
BFKFJF......6/22/2011....6/26/2011.....560.....1304.....0
charberry.....1/3/2012....1/8/2012.....11,200.....1109.....10

Here are 5 people, beside the 11 1st day winners, that also won within a week during 2014:

Name.....Joined.....Date Won.....Points.....GB Age.....Pts/day
JohnyGasD.....2/25/2014....3/1/2014.....93650.....325.....288
Alexthebeast21.....6/12/2014....6/19/2014.....56945.....218.....261
rustycamino.....7/24/2014....7/31/2014.....43000.....176.....244
yvettezhang.....8/1/2014....8/4/2014.....88600.....168.....527
matt02816.....12/5/2014....12/12/2014.....34,000.....42.....810

And here are the 11 1st day winners since 1/1/14:

Name.....Joined.....Date Won.....Points.....GB Age.....Pts/day
bobmroski.....1/29/2014....1/29/2014.....100....352....0
djmeuleman.....5/3/2014....5/3/2014.....43,100....258....167
billynderek.....5/9/2014....5/9/2014.....8,800....252....35
ChelsJune.....6/20/2014....6/20/2014.....6,400....210....30
jaydrizzle.....7/24/2014....7/24/2014....3,800....176....22
mickeysimon7.....9/15/2014....9/15/2014.....36,200....123....294
mauisunset2000.....9/20/2014....9/20/2014....6,570.....118....56
MamawChelle.....10/3/2014....10/3/2014.....6,570.....105....63
RideSmurf.....10/14/2014....10/14/2014.....10,000.....94....106
amandajordan91.....12/29/2014....12/29/2014.....2,800.....18....156
cierra722.....1/15/2015....1/15/2015.....1,000.....1....1000

(Sorry about the poor formatting of the table. I haven't figured out how to paste them in these messages with the spacing I have.)

It is interesting to me how few of these lucky people who won so soon decided to continue doing much to contribute after winning. The average 1st day winner earns less than 100 points per day (if you toss out the 1000 points/day that cierra722 has in their ONE day of GB Age). Only

By comparison, if you took ALL 700+ winners there have been since they started drawings in 2001, the average points per day is over 450. And most of those people started when it was only possible to earn 975 pt/day (1075 on poll day) instead of the current 1225 pts/day (1325 on poll day).

[Edited by: gax at 1/16/2015 5:13:28 PM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 12:26:00 PM

I also don't think it is a conspiracy. But, if, in fact there is any bias, I doubt it is intentional.

One reason suspicion occurred was the person that won and then said they had not entered.

And then there are those that show 0 Consecutive days at time of draw - apparently logged on to read prices and enter contest but not do any point activity - especially for old low point members.

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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 11:48:56 AM

I agree with Byte_Doctor. The mathematical odds of winning are slim at best and there are likely many more new members than regulars who stick around for years. I also don't doubt that there are members here who are trying to beat the system; as they do so in essentially every facet of this website.

There was one conspiracy theory that someone put forth a couple of years back I think. I don't remember who submitted it, and I can't seem to find it in the archives, but it was articulated fairly well and rang a bit true because the alleged underlying purpose was for GB to create or cause more traffic in areas of the country where there were fewer members and or less reporting activity. Since the number one priority here seems to be in expanding the membership and generating additional revenue, this argument was somewhat convincing.

The gist of the allegation was that winners drawn who were long time members and or who participated frequently would simply be discarded in favor of the next random draw of a less active or newer member from an area where traffic was far less and a jump start in member participation and activity was desired. This conspiracy theory was discussed some as I recall and most ultimately agreed that, while it may be possible, it's not all that probable.

And then there was a squeaky wheel theory born from this very topic when member Gas_Buddy, who started the controversial discussion thread, suddenly won the drawing.

Members probably wouldn't doubt the veracity of the drawings as much if the admins were a bit more forthcoming universally and a bit less growth and profit motivated. But things are what they are.

Me, I play this lottery because it is free. I don't expect to win but certainly wouldn't mind it if I did.

RG



[Edited by: RichWLIN at 1/16/2015 11:52:59 AM EST]
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 7:18:38 AM

I am continually amazed at the tendency of the human spirit to cling to conspiracy theories.

Considering there are thousands upon thousands of active GB members (as evidenced by the 30-day ranking if nothing else), if only half of those enter the drawing every day the chances of a 100 ticket entry wining is 100 in 5,000, a mere 2% chance.

If (as I suspect) there are considerably more members entering the drawing every day, that chance drops precipitously. Bottom line, entering with 100 tickets tells us exactly nothing if you don't win except that one of your tickets did not get drawn, and the only thing it tells us if you do win is that one of your tickets *did* get drawn.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It is so unlikely that GB is rigging the drawing as to be laughable. However, I do believe it is possible to "game the system" to increase the chances of a person winning, and the method I believe is being used would partially explain the high percentage of first-day members winning.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 12:49:49 AM

too_darned_high - If there are a total of 100,000 entries, and 100 of them are yours, then you have a 1 out of 1000 chance of winning (assuming, of course, that every entry has an equal chance of winning). So while your odds would be 100 times those of someone who only entered 1 entry, if everyone else who entered just entered a single entry, then the odds are 999 to 1 that the contest would be won by someone who entered "one stinking entry".

So, your not winning could reinforce your suspicions, but it wouldn't tell us anything "for certain".
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too_darned_high
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 12:18:11 AM

I am getting close to having 200 entries I can put in for the gas card drawing. When I get to that point, I am tempted to use half of them and see if I, as a million-point red-car member with 100 entries, wind up losing to a brand new member with one stinking entry. If that does happen, I will post it here and we will all know for certain that this game is rigged. :P

[Edited by: too_darned_high at 1/16/2015 12:18:53 AM EST]
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 12:05:18 AM

Get a load of this:

cierra722
Total Points:1,000
Overall Rank: 0

Winner of $100 gas card on January 15.

I'm going to bed. G'night.
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hotrod1120
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2015 8:30:26 AM

Time to create a new account I guess.

[Edited by: hotrod1120 at 1/13/2015 8:32:55 AM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2015 7:17:39 AM

The last 10 winners (1-3-2015 to 1-12-2015) have an average of 259,682 points. 3 are under 10,000 point and is over 1,000,000 points.

The average GB age of the same last 10 winners in 2 years 51 days. There youngest winner is 24 days old won on 1-3-2014) and the oldest winner is 6 year 146 days old (won on 1-12-2015). What this tells me is newer members are entering the contest more than older members.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 1:53:56 PM

Congratulations to the newest winner, Gas Buddy member InnaHurry, who won the Gas Card on Sunday, January 11.

In less than 14 months of being a member, InnaHurry has earned 3,225 points, with only one forum post, which means the majority of the 3,225 points may have come from gas price posting, the Gas Buddy activity that helps other members the most. And, that's more than one gas price post a month.

It's not as if the gas card was won by yet another first day winner, is it?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 4:35:11 PM

VichyViking:

And you don't think it's pure coincidence that the member, with 4 possible gas card drawing tickets, simply got "lucky"?

Okay, I was biting my tongue as I typed the above question.
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VichyViking
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 12:57:59 PM

And today's winner.....84 days old and 4400 points. This is almost getting to the point of being comical. Makes me want to set up several NEW accounts just to see if I could win as a newbie or low points holder.
If I wasn't trying to get the "IRONMAN" award (consecutive days) on the mobile app I would stop contributing for a while then start back up and see if that's what it takes to win. Come to think about it I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure out how to get to level 2 on the "IRONMAN" award I just might stop and say forget it.
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