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MadFueler

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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 1:11:21 PM

I've always assumed that it's okay to post a comment to an article as long as its topic was posted on in the last couple of months, and that it's okay to pump the article up as long as it's available on the "Recent Gas News" page. There seems, however, to be at least a cultural undercurrent that wants to say that an article should be ignored and/or relegated to the "Daily News Article Discussion" forum topic when it's been posted for more than a day.

My method of finding articles to read, pump up, and comment on is to go to the bottom of the "Recent Gas News" page and work my way upwards. This way I can get my reading and commenting points by picking topics I'm actually interested in (regardless of whether they're the top five vote getters) and, hopefully, avoid encouraging reposts of the same article by getting its first posting. Many times the affected article is two to three days old by then, and the commentary has been poisoned by cries of "old."

Am I breaking some unwritten rule and offending the culture by doing this, or are these people trying to hold the rest of us to some standard that the hosts/moderators didn't have in mind, and is therefore invalid except in their own heads? Or is my minimum attention span simply greater than their maximum?
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 12:04:47 PM

I agree with jrsva about the top 5. And though the blog posts on this site are from PDs account, I believe all are writtn by Gregg and published first in the blog. They simply automated PD's gb account as the vehicle to get them to the site and never changed that when PD ceased being a mod.

But regardless of who writes/posts them, seeing stale stuff in the daily top 5 is annoying. I continue to simply get my 125 news points by clicking on the most interesting of the 5 and then refreshing it 4 times. From there, I use the "back to news" button to scroll through newsville's 25 or so new items, voting for 2 or 3 most days and maybe reading one or two completely as time permits.

Rereading the OP, it occurs to me that some confusion might come from the lack of any "rules" posting in the Recent Gas News area. You can access a lot of articles in that area and if a couple of days are slow or the mods have deleted multiple items, articles that are several days old can still be available on that single page, while it's very possible the DNAD thread has fallen to page 2. That's because DNAD threads move up and down based on the most recent posts, while Recent Gas News is organized by chronological submission date and time.

By flipping between article threads and Newsville via the back to news button, you don't need to ever make it to DNAD and might not realize it exists.

[Edited by: SUVFan at 3/18/2014 12:07:24 PM EST]
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 1:16:27 AM

The Newsville forum is different from others in that most of the articles have been superceded by new information or are otherwise obsolete after a day or two. Some articles are more features than hard news, so they have a longer period of interest. I doubt that there are any Newsville topics that deserve being bumped up after a 60-day dormancy.

My pet peeve with “old news” is the two spots in the top-five that are occupied by GB Blogs and which do not get updated on weekends. I understand that Gregg and Patrick need some time off but I think they should relinquish their monopoly on these two slots on weekends if they are unable to post new material.

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fishwood
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2014 11:10:45 AM

Why does this forum have Rule 13?
Other fora encourage the opposite: If an old thread is completely on-topic, keep the new comments together with the old comments.

(I got shamed -- and I neither apologized nor slunk away -- for saying "Me too - bump" to a suggestion that needed no additional data beyond noting that there are users who would still like that feature added 3 years later, and it's still not added.)
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2014 9:27:52 PM

@SUVFan: Yes, the undercurrent goes against the site's written rules, but it's the unwritten ones that always trip me up on forums and in life in general, so I was just wondering if that's the case here. Of course, I concluded long ago that these people were just being jerks anyway, but was just wondering if I were missing something. The consensus here seems to be "no" so I'm just going to roll with that. Too bad I'm experiencing a dearth of examples right now - maybe when you shine the light they all scatter back to their nests? Hmmm...

It looks like you and I were also thinking the same thing about the article guidelines as well.

@CampKohler: There was a time in my life I'd be apologetic about such things, but now I'm more likely to tell these folks to "get lost" indeed. At my age and experience level now, I'm not so easily intimidated.



[Edited by: MadFueler at 3/13/2014 9:30:55 PM EST]
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2014 12:19:47 PM

>there really aren't any site rules around this.<

Actually, the DNAD forum has the same "General Forum Guidelines" sticky thread at its top that most other forums have. Item 13 of that thread's lead and only post by GM, dating to Feb 17, 2010 at 2:29:49 PM, states:

"Please do not bump old, inactive threads. If a topic has been inactive for two months or more, please do not post in it. If you want to post to an older topic, please let Admin know beforehand so we can make a note of it and ask other members not to report you for doing it."

So, MadFueler, whatever undercurrent you've detected goes directly against the site's rules. Post away until a thread has gone 2 months without a post. After that, give the mods a heads up if it suddenly became relevant after that period of dormancy.

As for pumping up articles, I think it's fine as long as the button is accessible. I don't long for the old days when we got maybe two new articles each day. I do at most scroll through the top 5 news stories, selecting the one that interests me the most, clicking it 5 times to get my points, and then accessing Newsville via the relatively new "back to news" button that is found next to the submitter's information on each article page.

Zim identifies the problem accurately: Too few know they can "pump up" articles. The answer for me is no different than the obscure news submission guidelines. Make links to Newsville more prominent. For example, shouldn't the DNAD General Forum Guidelines include a description of Newsville along with a link?

[Edited by: SUVFan at 3/12/2014 12:23:27 PM EST]
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2014 9:02:20 AM

There are so few people who even know about this "pumping" up of articles, and even fewer who even bother with it.

I would say you are more than welcome to do as you are doing, as there really aren't any site rules around this.

I find the whole system kind of odd anyway and wish GB would just post the articles that are Gas related. There are too often articles of limited interest or that have very little to do with fuel, that some niche of special interest "pumpers" probably force to the top 5.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2014 5:11:12 AM


It's like they say about the Reader's Digest... it's not 'old' until YOU have had a chance to read it, regardless of the date on the front cover and how many others have read it before you.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2014 2:31:21 AM

I would say do whatever you wish. If it offends somebody's sensibilities, they will not be bashful about letting you know. Then you can make abject apologies and quietly slink away in shame or tell them to get lost.
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