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hnofer17

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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 1:49:16 PM

If a gas station is out of gas or does not work or is closed, should we still post the price? I saw on my home website that the cheapest station was $2.99 and the comment was NO GAS. I took it off because I don't see how that $2.99 contributes to anything if they have no gas! In the mobile app, comments can't be seen easily so this could mislead people. Thoughts?
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 7:17:34 PM

If there is a station that has a temporary problem but no gas, I go in and zero the prices from the Web interface. Fortunately, I usually run around with an iPad so I can do just that.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 6:54:13 PM

"One suggestion is maybe "NO GAS" can be posted instead of the price so it shows up on the home pages to warn motorists not to go there."

And each application of that knocks a real price for available product off the page.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 12:57:37 PM

One suggestion is maybe "NO GAS" can be posted instead of the price so it shows up on the home pages to warn motorists not to go there.
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hnofer17
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 12:41:49 PM

I agree with all of you, hence my original post. So I think it's decided that if the gas station has no gas, you should NOT post the price anyway and put "No Gas" in the comments. It is unhelpful!

Secondly, love the butcher joke.

Finally, yes they have internal auditing in place to weed out ridiculous prices, such as if you put $90.00 per gallon.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 1:50:10 PM

Well, statistics will take care of itself, that's why I'm not too concerned with the average skew.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 10:07:13 AM

" they probably have some algorithm they use to filter the outliers out for their own data use"

Probably so, and this may work pretty well with diesel prices since they also have the MSL fields to use as filters.

But then there are the auto $.10 increment reporters who see the regular price on signage and simply assume the mid-grade and premium prices.

For example: I used to pass a Marathon every day that sold mid-grade at $.14 more than regular, and premium at $.28 more. Along the same route, there is a BP station that usually sells midgrade at +$.12 and premium at +$.25 For months on end, I observed these stations and several others along the route being reported with $.10 increments making it patently obvious that the prices were falsified.

And, this is just one example of the many other instances I have personally noticed across several Midwestern states. Having read other member's complaints here, it isn't much of a stretch to assume that this problem is fairly widespread.

Taking this into consideration, a +/- 10% fudge factor seems in order. Unfortunately, users of the price information who are buying fuel don't have the luxury of adding this much windage to the prices they ultimately pay.

RG

[Edited by: RichWLIN at 2/19/2014 10:09:15 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 6:52:55 AM

Rich - they probably have some algorithm they use to filter the outliers out for their own data use...
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 10:40:50 PM

Couple of interesting points made here.

rumbleseat is exactly right when he said: "...but it just mucks up the page, and dilutes the relevant data."

And, so was Gas_Buddy when he added: "...skewing it's information to the membership...just as posting gas prices for fuel not sold does."

This begs the follow-up question:

If the integrity of the data is critical to the site owners, why then has the degradation of fuel price accuracy, and thus the accuracy of the data set as a whole, been permitted to continue so long?

I suspect that price accuracy really isn't a priority to anyone but members who are actually looking to save some money. Some here will agree that fraudulent price reporting has not only been largely ignored by management, but instigated with award challenges and the like.

Ever since the introduction of the app awards, a significant percentage of fabricated prices and even prices for grades of fuel that aren't sold have been apparent for all to see. The resultant "data" must therefore be severely compromised unless perhaps there is some acceptable accuracy adjustment factor that is applied to information accumulated from volunteers?

It seems more likely that price accuracy is simply irrelevant to the site owners and the real name of the game is inciting mass participation that generates advertising revenue.

Still, accurate prices are often reported here and this information is beneficial to those of us who want to lower our fuel cost expenses. Until something better comes along, this is still the best game in town.

RG
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 6:53:17 PM

ziyulu:

"If that's the case I can post a station that is selling gas at $0.999 per gallon."

For that matter, if you drive some of the back roads you can find gas stations with only one digit on the sign, the "point 9", or you might find a "9.999" listing on the sign. In either case, as rumbleseat noted, it will screw up Gas Buddy's data, skewing it's information to the membership...just as posting gas prices for fuel not sold does.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 1:19:48 PM

If that's the case I can post a station that is selling gas at $0.999 per gallon.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 5:11:48 AM

Why is this even a question? If a station is closed you can't buy gas there so why post a price? Jeesh!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 1:22:22 AM

If there is no gas for sale, a price is totally irrelevant, in my opinion. We have had threads before where some members defended posting prices and marking "no gas", but it just mucks up the page, and dilutes the relevant data.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 7:38:14 PM

As most people don't see or read the comments, posting a price for fuel that's not being sold but for which the price is on the "drive-by" price board is misleading (if not deceptive). It's possible, however, that someone driving by a gas station might not realize the station is closed, let alone is out of gas or "does not work" (whatever that means), and assumes that the price is current.

If you're certain the station is closed, update the Master Station List, and, as Scrapheap noted, report the false posting to the moderators via the Help link at the top of this page or via the Contact Us link at the bottom of this page.

Posting the price for a gas station that's closed or out of gas is a variation of the old "butcher joke".

lady walks into a butcher shop which has a sign in the window saying "Ground Sirloin: 29 cents per pound." She says, "I´d like five pounds of your ground sirloin, please." The butcher shakes his head and says, "Sorry. I´m all out."
The woman, disappointed goes down the street to another butcher shop and asks, "How much is your ground sirloin?" The proprietor replies, "It´s $3.29 per pound."
"$3.29?" exclaimed the woman. "Just up the street he sells it for 29 cents a pound!"
The butcher smiles calmly at the woman and says, "Why didn't you buy it from that shop?"
The woman explains, "He's sold out right now."
"Well," says the butcher. "If I didn't have any, I would sell it for it for 19 cents a pound!"

It's pretty much the same when you post gas prices for stations that aren't selling gas.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 6:45:37 PM

Report them to the moderators. There is no point in reporting prices for a station that has not gas.
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Alex9990
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 4:17:24 PM

I would certainly mark the station as temporarily closed, though it doesn't stop the member from posting prices of a closed location. Hopefully future updates to the website along with the mobile apps will prevent it when it is closed, or only has regular & diesel.
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