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HotRod10

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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 5:36:14 PM

I have heard from a few people that they needed 10,000 points before they could post a link in the forum threads. I emailed GB and got a reply that there are no point requirements. I'm confused; were there point limits before that have since been removed? Is there some other requirements before a member is able to post links?
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Daddioio
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 11:56:07 PM

I think it might be helpful to have new members get acclimated to the environment here. It doesn't take that long to get the points.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 7:33:49 AM

I think trying bytebugs suggestion first - it really shouldn't be that hard to implement -- makes sense, and then re-evaluate the problem after awhile.

Some of those 1/120 remain 1/120 because of frustration and how we often respond to them. Some would never bother regardless and there are plenty of threads started by those with more than 10,000 points that are redundant.

The FAQs need improving.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 6:22:58 AM

"Newbies should not be prohibited from posting new topics unless and until the site is improved to make it easier for newbies to find answers to questions."

The FAQ's should be improved and a good search function would help but if you think this will slow down the amount of 1/120 members who start topics, you are sorely mistaken. People don't want to look for answers, they want someone to give them. You could have the best FAQ's and most excellent search function and new members would still ask redundant questions.

Like I posted, earning 10,000 points takes roughly 10 days so a new member would not be able to post a topic that already exists for a relatively short time.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 12:00:44 AM

Scrap, “If many people are posting redundant questions, that goes to show how the site is non-intuitive and not well documented. It points out flaws that could be improved upon.”

I have always agreed with Scrap on this matter. Newbies should not be prohibited from posting new topics unless and until the site is improved to make it easier for newbies to find answers to questions. The FAQ should be updated and made more prominent. Byte’s idea of a forum category for FAQ discussion has merit. The Mods are slow (maybe frozen in place) to make changes to make the site more user friendly.

Perhaps a popup (like the one you get if you try to post a gas price that is out of range) for newbies trying to start a new forum thread would be helpful. It could ask if the new thread is to ask a question and include a link to the FAQ. After a couple of clicks one could go ahead and start the new thread. Isn’t there something like this when one posts a news article? I haven’t done that for awhile but I recall being asked if what I was posting was similar to other recent posts.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 8:12:41 PM

While I don't necessarily agree with limiting starting threads for newbies, I do like this idea from Bytebug:

"As well, a FAQ category could be created, with the FAQs all posted in a message pinned to the top, and an invitation to ask questions about the site operation. A FAQ category might actually encourage new users to search for answers in previous message threads! "

The FAQ forum category should be the TOP forum in the list of forums below the local one.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 12:54:37 PM

bytebug wrote > So what would be the problem with limiting new topic creation to their local forum?

Most of the local forums are dead.

It would not be clear that newbie's could start topics only in the local forums. The most likely effects would be the newbie either gets frustrated and leaves or simply asks his question in an unrealted established thread (which happens quite often right now, in fact the current discussion is and example in this thread).

There hasn't been an convincing reason, supported by a large majority of respondents, to limit the topic creation of newbies.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 1/30/2014 12:54:22 PM EST]
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 8:48:31 AM

As well, a FAQ category could be created, with the FAQs all posted in a message pinned to the top, and an invitation to ask questions about the site operation. A FAQ category might actually encourage new users to search for answers in previous message threads!
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 8:38:45 AM

So what would be the problem with requiring 10,000 points as a minimum to post a new topic? 10,000 points can be earned in roughly 10 days.

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 1/30/2014 8:38:00 AM EST]
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 8:31:25 AM

So what would be the problem with limiting new topic creation to their local forum?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 7:46:26 AM

Ah, but Scout, the dumb or redundant questions may mean that the site should take notice and clarify the FAQs, etc. Yes, annoying, but often annoying because they are problems that we keep answering and often suggesting possible solutions to (like the winners list that they have now changed).

And, worthless new topics are not exclusive to 1/120s.

So, I really don't think opening new topics should be banned for <10,000 points, however, there might be a good reason to limit the number of NEW topics/threads (see GAJDHI who will often start many redundant threads in the General Gas and other forums in one day - yesterday had almost 1/3 the first page when I looked) for all members. Then again, most of the other forums are just another JFF forum these days...
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 7:31:47 AM

"Posting dumb or redundant questions is not the same as spam."

I agree. However, those who usually post these type of questions are users not contributors or 1/120 posters we never hear form again. So while it isn't spam, it is just as annoying.
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WR-INC
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 4:18:41 PM

I agree that it should be in the FAQ, and if newbies are constantly asking the same questions, those questions and answers should also be in the FAQ. Ask the question, be referred to the FAQ, then lock the topic.

Who the respondent to HotRod10's question was that gave him incorrect information should be forced to then read the FAQ.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 1:56:28 PM

I have no problem with them limiting advertizing and spam, however the limitations on newbies posting links should be written up in the FAQ. I do however think that newbies should be allowed to ask questions. If the questions seem redundant, perhaps the FAQ needs updating, or needs to be more visible, or a search feature should be developed. Keeping newbies from starting threads just because it bothers a few long time members has never struck me as a good reason.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 1:48:54 PM

"It points out flaws that could be improved upon."

I don't think allowing people to make an honest mistake is a "flaw". I don't think censorship of those asking a question or trying to make a argument, just because it may be similar to someone else's argument or question, is a good way to handle it. However, hindering someone who's trying spread ads in a discussion forum seems legitimate to me.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 1:25:25 PM

If many people are posting redundant questions, that goes to show how the site is non-intuitive and not well documented. It points out flaws that could be improved upon.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 1:21:46 PM

"...with the number of new members re-asking many questions one would think the PTB would want to curtail this activity as well."

Posting dumb or redundant questions is not the same as spam.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 1:16:33 PM

"I would guess that it's because starting a topic requires writing an OP, and it is only seen by those who click on and read the topic. Plus, I'm guessing a spam topic would be noticed quickly and removed. A spam posting in numerous existing threads is not as obvious and is seen by far more people."

Could be but with the number of new members re-asking many questions one would think the PTB would want to curtail this activity as well.
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Hotrodx10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 11:04:30 AM

Newbies apparently don't count when it comes to the time of the last post either. It showed the last post for this thread as 8:33, ignoring my 3 subsequent posts.
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Hotrodx10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 10:50:47 AM

Apparently that doesn't work either, at least not for the Ebay homepage. Perhaps a URL for a scientific article:

/consumption/things-you-didnt-know-were-made-of-oil

Interesting, it removed the "http..." and the website name (which was deleted here also), but showed the rest of the URL.



[Edited by: Hotrodx10 at 1/29/2014 10:54:52 AM EST]
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Hotrodx10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 10:45:26 AM

Apparently you are correct jrsva, no links allowed for newbies. I Shall test posting a URL:

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Hotrodx10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 10:41:23 AM

Unless something has changed fairly recently, that includes posting a link in a forum, either by use of the “Insert Link” button or by typing it manually, [L= etc. The “Insert Link” button is [was] not visible to newbies. I’m not sure what happened with a manually-typed link but I think the system may have inserted “text deleted” in place of the link."

Well, let's try it. I've manually inserted a link below under my new profile. Let's see if it works:

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 10:33:18 AM

"Then why is a new member with <10,000 points allowed to start topics?"

I would guess that it's because starting a topic requires writing an OP, and it is only seen by those who click on and read the topic. Plus, I'm guessing a spam topic would be noticed quickly and removed. A spam posting in numerous existing threads is not as obvious and is seen by far more people.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 5:11:45 AM

"New members (<10k points) are prohibited from using various features of GB, mostly as an attempt to prevent spamming and abuse of the site."

Then why is a new member with <10,000 points allowed to start topics?
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2014 12:43:30 AM

New members (<10k points) are prohibited from using various features of GB, mostly as an attempt to prevent spamming and abuse of the site. Unless something has changed fairly recently, that includes posting a link in a forum, either by use of the “Insert Link” button or by typing it manually, [L= etc. The “Insert Link” button is [was] not visible to newbies. I’m not sure what happened with a manually-typed link but I think the system may have inserted “text deleted” in place of the link.

Other limitations include access to the MSL, the ability to post news articles, write on whiteboards, and delete posted prices. I have a feeling there is something else but I can’t bring it to mind right now.

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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 9:36:27 AM

"I wonder why there is a point minimum to add a link to a post but there is no minimum to start a topic?"

I think bytebug provided the answer to that:

"A number of years ago, that requirement was put in place to prevent outsiders creating an account in order to spam the forums."

Starting a topic requires more work. Spammers want to easily get their message on many threads.
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WR-INC
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 7:03:02 AM

If there is such a requirement, it certainly is well hidden.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 6:47:30 AM

Interesting. I wonder why there is a point minimum to add a link to a post but there is no minimum to start a topic?
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 8:06:29 PM

Well, I opened a new account, and the "Insert Link" shortcut button is indeed missing.

"I would posit that the current staff is unaware of the point requirement."

It would appear you are correct, bytebug, at least in the case of the person who responded to my inquiry.
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 5:38:48 PM

I would posit that the current staff is unaware of the point requirement. A number of years ago, that requirement was put in place to prevent outsiders creating an account in order to spam the forums. This was a compromise, as a number of us requested that all posting privileges (except, perhaps, in the local category) require some minimum number of points be obtained.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 4:53:17 PM

"Who got an official reply? And who replied?"

I emailed GasBuddy.com through the "Contact us" link with the question:

"Are there limitations, such needing a certain number of points, for the functionality of the "Insert Link" feature to work? How about copying and pasting a URL into a post?"

I got this reply:

"No there is no point requirement for this feature!

Regards,

Ryan (RD)
GasBuddy.com"

I got scolded last week by a another member who does not have 10K points, because I suggested that he post a link to a reference, instead of telling me what to google to find it. He responded he was not able to post links. I think he was referring to the availability of the "Insert Link" shortcut.

It seems to be settled that there's no restrictions on creating a link manually and posting it, but as far as the "Insert Link" shortcut...?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 4:03:54 PM

WR-INC,

Who got an official reply? And who replied?
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WR-INC
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 4:00:30 PM

scoutmaster,

It sounds like he did get an official reply, which is in agreement with the official FAQ.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 7:00:44 AM

If CampKohler referenced his wiki, that should not be taken as gospel. That wiki is not an official GB site and is not endorsed by GB. Most of the info on that wiki is CK's impression of what is correct, not what is actually correct.

It would be nice if a moderator would chime in on the 10,000 minimum to post a link in the forum.
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WR-INC
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 5:28:14 AM

HotRod10,

I posted a link from the FAQ that you can get to from the menu bar under "help." That's why the staff told you that there was no 10k requirement.

The link that the other member cited was one he wrote himself.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 10:32:21 PM

The guide's language about 10k points was the best info I had at the time, but things can change. It would be best if a newbie would try both methods and report back with the results (and corrections will be made if necessary). Hmmm. I know just the person to do it, my sister!
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 7:39:41 PM

My apologies guys; it was CampKohler who provided the link.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 7:27:58 PM

Scoutmaster, you inadvertently provided the answer to my question. In the detailed guide you linked to, under "Entering a link" it says:

"There are two methods an author may use to enter a link:
1.Type the above code into a message manually, in which case the author is entirely responsible for all of the not-too-obvious technical ramifications of his link (which will be explained below) or,
2.Use a shortcut, the fill-in-the-blanks Link Enter form, which is available only to members with 10K points."

So members may enter a link manually anytime, but the Link Enter Form ("Insert Link" button) is only available to members with 10K+ points.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 11:40:29 AM

There is a 10,000 minimum to write on members white boards, to have access to the MSL but there is no minimum to post a link in a forum post.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 11:15:52 AM

Ziyulu, that is what I thought as well.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 11:02:04 AM

I thought the 10,000 points was to post news articles?
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WR-INC
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 6:40:22 AM

Nothing mentioned about a points requirement in the FAQ.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 12:58:56 AM

Now see, if one had a "newbie cloak," one could simply test out how it works. As it stands, we need a newbie to try it for is and to report the results. And if 10K points are required, what does the newbie see? Is it simply a lack of the Insert Link button, or does the system go further and not respond to the link code itself? (See a detailed guide about GasBuddy forum links.).

[Edited by: CampKohler at 1/26/2014 12:58:41 AM EST]
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 5:48:07 PM

There was a 10,000 point minimum and I highly doubt that has changed.
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